Why 'secular' Narendra Modi bashers must be ignored

[Mech]

self delete..........

 

[Bang Galore]

Today's BJP is no more or less communal than the Congress is and has always been. This is not about religion and communalism. This is about the leadership that modern India needs and deserves. And is not getting. Our economy seems to be running on auto-pilot for the past two years, as the pilots are out of the cockpit filling their pockets. While the Captain seems to be afflicted by a terminal case of Gandhi ji's teen bandar-itis.

Let's take a mid-term poll for the MMS led govt. in its current term here on this forum itself. Then multiply that a million-fold to even begin to understand popular Indian sentiment:

1) How many of us feel that this government has sustained pressure on bringing closure to 26/11?

And maybe you have an alternative? Something like the NDA's reaction during operation Parakram (post parliament attack), during the earlier Kandahar hijacking maybe?

It's easy to criticise, I don't like the situation any more than you do and MMS is driving me crazy with all these peace overtures to Pakistan when they are clearly not going/not in a position to reciprocate. Pakistan is a very difficult issue & we must be prepared for years of status quo while insulating our economy from any issues arising from it(to the extent we can)

2) How many of us believe that this government is subjugating Indian interests at the altar of US closeness?

Okay, here we have a serious difference. I think that close ties with the U.S. is the way to go & btw so did Vajpayee who called India & the U.S. natural allies. Nobody subjugates Indian interests to any foreign power, that's as Arun Jaitley put it " a cheap scoring point". Take that argument far enough & you could be arguing that India's IT sector is just a method of that subjugation since they are essentially working for American companies.

3) How many of us feel that the Indian economy is losing critical steam?

Maybe, maybe not! Just as long as you remember that average growth during the NDA government was 5-5.5%. Seriously, who in the NDA would you trust to run the economy better than MMS.Montek Singh Ahluwalia, Chidambaram & Pranab Mukherji(you can add Jairam Ramesh to that group)?
Btw, maybe you should read this
India outpaces China: Winning the growth World Cup | The Economist

4) How many of salaried Indian middle-class feel that in spite of yearly increments, we have had to make small but significant cut-backs in our lifestyle as the money simply is not buying enough?

Simply not backed by facts. The Indian middle class has never had it better. You only feel that way because your aspirations are now sky high and nothing will satisfy you which is a hallmark of a booming economy.

5) How many of us feel short changed when we pay our taxes one day, and where most of us have never seen a crore in one place at one time, and the next morning read about dirty politicians and the highly connected raking in thousands of crores?

Couldn't agree more but the BJP's leaders aren't cut from a different fabric made in heaven - for proof, see Karnataka. Granted Modi is not corrupt but no one has ever said that MMS is corrupt either. We have a national problem & hopefully Lokpal bills & many others will slowly help tighten the noose around some of the more brazen acts. This however is a complicated problem & not easily amenable for over the counter solution no matter what "civil society" claims.

6) How many of us feel pissed when we read that India sits on one of the world's largest standing stocks of wheat, which lies in our vermin infested granaries, while there are still millions who go to bed hungry?

Again not open to an easy solution, otherwise one would have been found. It is not new to this particular government & the largest such wastages happen in Punjab ruled by a BJP ally. It is easy to make the populist suggestion that grain be given free but every action brings consequence & here one of them would be the depression of the agricultural market as a result after which the same wise guys who give this suggestion would then be blaming the government for farmer suicides
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7) How many of us want a change of leadership if for nothing just to have a shot at changing the above?

Changing leadership is not like changing clothes, here you never know what you might get. Looking at the present position, it looks like a lottery with way too many tickets to be sure of winning anything. Nothing the opposition has done over the last 7 years makes me confident that they are up to the task. It is one thing to blame the government of the day but it is a completely different think to blindly support the opposition who haven't shown one good reason to deserve that support.

 

[Swati Shukla]

None of us are bringing religion into it. What we are all trying to hammer into your head is that modi is a bigot. How can you possibly support him for PM when clearely, he has no regard for the minorities. India, whether you like it or not has a whole bunch of people from various backgrounds. India cannot rise once you alienate them. So stop bitching around about how great the bigot is, i happen to love my country the way it is and have no desire to see it turning into a bloody battlefeild.

but the muslims of gujrat dont agree with u.. they love him, and its a fact proven multiple times and will remain fact whether u like it or not. whether some communal people like it or not. each secular person for whom development and country matters more than religion is supporting him which includes hindus, muslims, sikhs, christians, buddhists, jains or any other.

 

[KS]

So that means both are MMS and narender are Pu$$y ( as in the language of a user here)
Both are not fit to be leader

If their administrative skills are put to test, Modi will beat MMS hands down.

 

[Bang Galore]

If their administrative skills are put to test, Modi will beat MMS hands down.

Then he is best suited for a job of secretary to the PM.

 

[Prometheus]

None of us are bringing religion into it. What we are all trying to hammer into your head is that modi is a bigot. How can you possibly support him for PM when clearely, he has no regard for the minorities. India, whether you like it or not has a whole bunch of people from various backgrounds. India cannot rise once you alienate them. So stop bitching around about how great the bigot is, i happen to love my country the way it is and have no desire to see it turning into a bloody battlefeild.

Well its funny to see that anyone who says anything against modi is a pseudosecular. Or a communal person.
They can even insult a person like MMS for that

 

[KS]

Modi is great.......for gujarat. I do not want to see that retard within a 1000 mile radius of prime ministers office. Why a medieval party like BJP is still in existance today is beyond me. There are no justification for modis atrocities and those of BJP as a whole. India was, is and must always remain secular.

I know all you hindu folks in the forum want to see BJP in power...but im thankful it will remain that way only in this forum.

Congress has done a whole load of good for our country and the people, except for occasional speed bumps. Now dont go ranting off about 2G scam. The minister was prosecuted.

Again the same old secular Bull Manure.

Do you know who played communal politics in Punjab ?

Do you know who played communal genocide going door by door searching for Sikhs and killing them ?

Do you know who played communal politics in the Shah Bano case ?

Do you know who played communal politics in the Ayodhya opening the shilanyas ?

Yeah, you guessed it correct - It was the 'secular' Congress party that did all these.

For one Gujarats there has been plenty of Bhagalpurs in the Congress regime.

And kid there has been a whole range of religious parties in India like Akali Dal, MiM, Muslim League and very recently a political party for the Christians has been formed. If they all are secular so are Hindu parties. Dont rant about communalism when all these parties who selectively pander to one community are there.

As for the bolded part, dont post ridiculous things like that and make it a Hindu vs non-Hindu. For if it was real communal bigots like you will not be there in India spewing hatred on Hinduism.

Last time BJP came into power, they brought the threat of a whole friggin war right on our door steps.

Are you for real ? Why dont you ask the secular Congress party to completely disband the Army, surrender Kashmir to Pakistan, Arunachal to China so that the "whole friggin war" wont come to your doorstep.

And what do you expect a respectable Govt to have done after the heart of the Indian Democracy was attacked by jihadis ?

 

[Prometheus]

If their administrative skills are put to test, Modi will beat MMS hands down.

On other note,modi is strong in gujarat, where he can do anything ...........but what about outside Gujarat. Even NITISH says he is not welcome in Bihar and and some countries even dont give him visas
If respect is put to test,Modi doesnt make up to the cut off list .......let alone passing MMS

 

[Swati Shukla]

Well its funny to see that anyone who says anything against modi is a pseudosecular. Or a communal person.
They can even insult a person like MMS for that

no, anyone who brings religion into almost everything and then talk about secularism is.

Mms is most morally corrupt pm india has ever had. what else can be expected from a person who chooses a corrupt person for the position of cvc whose job is to check corruption inspite opposition fron sushma swaraj. what else can be b expected from a person below whos nose so many multi million dollar scams took place and his answer was, sorry i wasnt aware...! shame on this morally corrupt leader who dont has the strength to raise a voice against the corruption in his own office. he should learn some lessons from namo.

 

[KS]

None of us are bringing religion into it. What we are all trying to hammer into your head is that modi is a bigot. How can you possibly support him for PM when clearely, he has no regard for the minorities. India, whether you like it or not has a whole bunch of people from various backgrounds. India cannot rise once you alienate them. So stop bitching around about how great the bigot is, i happen to love my country the way it is and have no desire to see it turning into a bloody battlefeild.

And we are trying to hammer into you that Congress is way more communal than the BJP ever was or can ever be.

If Modi is a bigot (which he is NOT) so is the whole Congress family that you people are trying so hard to defend.

 

[KS]

On other note,modi is strong in gujarat, where he can do anything ...........but what about outside Gujarat. Even NITISH says he is not welcome in Bihar and and some countries even dont give him visas
If respect is put to test,Modi doesnt make up to the cut off list .......let alone passing MMS

Dude what respect you are talking about.The same countries that refused him visa are queueing up the door in Gujarat to invest their money and take part in the sucess story.

The captains of India Inc like Ambanis, Ratan Tatas,Mittals shower praise on his work ethic and administrative skills. A seasoned respectable activist like Anna Hazare praises him for his administrative skills.

What more you want ? Everyone to fall on his feet and get ashirvaad ?

And I am finding your arguments funny. Why cant anyone criticize MMS ? Did he fall from heaven directly ? Leave Modi. Nitish is 1000 times a better administrator than MMS.

The only positive thing about MMS is his personal life and integrity. No one questioned that. It is only his leadership skills and administrative capabilities that are under question. I mean how can a PM even say "I'm not aware of it" on questioned about a scam. ?

Try to understand that before blindly defending him.

 

[Swati Shukla]

And we are trying to hammer into you that Congress is way more communal than the BJP ever was or can ever be.

If Modi is a bigot (which he is NOT) so is the whole Congress family that you people are trying so hard to defend.

leave it karthik, as i said earlier some people are just too communal to look beyond religion. development and national intrest dont matter to them, only thing that matters is religion.

 

[Prometheus]

no, anyone who brings religion into almost everything and then talk about secularism is.

Mms is most morally corrupt pm india has ever had. what else can be expected from a person who chooses a corrupt person for the position of cvc whose job is to check corruption inspite opposition fron sushma swaraj. what else can be b expected from a person below whos nose so many multi million dollar scams took place and his answer was, sorry i wasnt aware...! shame on this morally corrupt leader who dont has the strength to raise a voice against the corruption in his own office. he should learn some lessons from namo.

Morally corrupt!!!!!!!!

Hmmmmm thats a new title MMS got here.

About lessons...................are we talking about fake encounters or something else???

 

[Swati Shukla]

Dude what respect you are talking about.The same countries that refused him visa are queueing up the door in Gujarat to invest their money and take part in the sucess story.

The captains of India Inc like Ambanis, Ratan Tatas,Mittals shower praise on his work ethic and administrative skills. A seasoned respectable activist like Anna Hazare praises him for his administrative skills.

What more you want ? Everyone to fall on his feet and get ashirvaad ?

you have missed bajaj, bharti, hinduja etc. from india inc. and muslims like vastanvi, shahi imam etc.

 

[Prometheus]

And we are trying to hammer into you that Congress is way more communal than the BJP ever was or can ever be.

If Modi is a bigot (which he is NOT) so is the whole Congress family that you people are trying so hard to defend.

Hey everybody plays religious communal card........
May it be BJP OR CONGRESS OR AKALI