Why Saudi Arabia can't repel Iran's regional domination

[xenon54 out]

Thats nonsense. PKK is Asad's proxy by the way.

Pkk is being used by anyone who wants to harm Turkey, USA is just another one.

 

[Nein]

Wow seems very familiar

We seems to have imported alot of this mentality overtime

In the Arab revolt the Bedouin rebels actually fled at the first sight of trains, artillery and planes. A lot of time when they faced Ottomans forces face to face they usually got their asses handed after this te lawrence told the arab rebels to revert back to guerilla tactics rather than fighting conventionally against the Ottoman army.

In short the Arabs failed to change their mentality and imported this mentality into modern warfare. Hence why they kept on losing to everybody.

 

[Mav3rick]

Khamenaist regime methods:

1) Create terrorist militias in failed states (Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Yemen). These militias can be used for proxy attacks whenever Khamenai feels the need.

2) Use terrorism all the time but never take responsibility.

3) Do not hesitate to genocide millions (Syria).

4) Blame your enemies for what you are guilty for.

How about we start with the 'failing' of the states which were working perfectly fine without an iota of terrorism or extremism before the US decided to '****' them up? Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and Yemen were all fine before the US/Israel annihilated the states and sent these countries into anarchy, extremism and terrorism.

So why not speak of the father of all evils, before we speak of those who take these opportunities for further terrorism?

 

[500]

Pkk is being used by anyone who wants to harm Turkey, USA is just another one.

There is zero evidence US ever used PKK. Thats despite millions of leaks from US secret documents.

How about we start with the 'failing' of the states which were working perfectly fine without an iota of terrorism or extremism before the US decided to '****' them up? Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and Yemen were all fine before the US/Israel annihilated the states and sent these countries into anarchy, extremism and terrorism.

So why not speak of the father of all evils, before we speak of those who take these opportunities for further terrorism?

Alas ur knowledge is extremely poor.

* Lebanon became a failed state after it allowed PLO to act in its territory (Israel kicked PLO which drastically improved the situation in Lebanon but Iran installed there Hezbies).
* Syria became a failed state when Assad with help of Russia and Iran started dropping bombs on own towns and villages.
* Yemen was always failed but situation much much worsened when Iran started playing religious card with sectarian thugs (before that religion never was an issue there).
* In Iraq Saddam had sadistic dictatorship he led terror campaigns against Kurds, then started a war against Iran, then invaded Kuwait. Each resulted in death of hundreds of thousands. US gave to Iraqis democratically elected government for the first time in their history. The problem started when Iran used this democracy to install dozens of sectarian terrorism militias.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Arabs vs Khazars usually ended in stalemates. Irony is it was the Turks that destroyed the Khazars who themselves were Turkic lmaoo. In Turkic history its always Turks destroying Turks. We just love fighting each other.

I cant deny the Arabs actually had the best armies from the Rashidun, Ummayad and the Abbassid Eras. Fatimid Era was also not bad.

When the Arabs were an empire they seem to be very formidable. After that era has passed the Arabs just could not replicate that era at all they withered away due to numerous factors.

Roman Empire conquered and had the best army of its time time and compare that to modern day Italy from its 1861 to the end of World War 2. Italians were embarassing if you compare it to the Roman Empire.

Khalid Bin Walid no doubt among my favourite commanders.

Arabs in the early days of Islam were accomplished in both spheres, deen and dunya. We are speaking of the best fighting force the world had ever seen.

Actually everything of the beduoin lifestyles was chiseled out of them except the good qualities. The Quran itself chastised the uncivilized barbarian, who does not care for anyone but himself.

From that lofty stature, they fell really far into dunya and nafs (ego,) selling their inheritance for pennies.

They did this while new converts like Turks and coterminous Pakistanis (Dilli Sultanat, Ghaznavi, Ghori, Mughals, Durranis) took the religion of Islam with its proper fervor and endeavored to spread it to the farthest reaches of the world.

The death and renewal of empires is a well documented event written on by Ibn Khaldun, and even mentioned in the Quran where one group replaces another of the former does not abide by the rules of Allah Swt.

This is how the current Jews were replaced, and the mantle of Islam given to the modern-day Muslims following an Arab prophet saws.

 

[Saddam Hussein]

There is zero evidence US ever used PKK. Thats despite millions of leaks from US secret documents.


Alas ur knowledge is extremely poor.

* Lebanon became a failed state after it allowed PLO to act in its territory (Israel kicked PLO which drastically improved the situation in Lebanon but Iran installed there Hezbies).
* Syria became a failed state when Assad with help of Russia and Iran started dropping bombs on own towns and villages.
* Yemen was always failed but situation much much worsened when Iran started playing religious card with sectarian thugs (before that religion never was an issue there).
* In Iraq Saddam had sadistic dictatorship he led terror campaigns against Kurds, then started a war against Iran, then invaded Kuwait. Each resulted in death of hundreds of thousands. US gave to Iraqis democratically elected government for the first time in their history. The problem started when Iran used this democracy to install dozens of sectarian terrorism militias.

I think the problem started a lot earlier than IRI, one might say that the problem started when the CIA overthrew Mossadegh in Iran.

Reminds me of when Americans say it started when Mooooslems attacked New York. Because the 90s and 80s never existed...

 

[500]

I think the problem started a lot earlier than IRI, one might say that the problem started when the CIA overthrew Mossadegh in Iran.

Reminds me of when Americans say it started when Mooooslems attacked New York. Because the 90s and 80s never existed...

No country became failed because of Mossadeq overthrowing. The biggest irony is that mullahs played critical role in overthrowing him and now they are heavily use him for their propaganda.

 

[Zibago]

There is Iran the country and Iran the cause whether we like it or not but there is only KSA the country they dont have such a hold over an entire sect like Iran

 

[OldTwilight]

Actually , Arabs are formidable fighters when they are motivitied and have good leaders ....
But Arabs despite their common language have different identity which others tend to ignore ....

 

[Mav3rick]

Alas ur knowledge is extremely poor.

* Lebanon became a failed state after it allowed PLO to act in its territory (Israel kicked PLO which drastically improved the situation in Lebanon but Iran installed there Hezbies).
* Syria became a failed state when Assad with help of Russia and Iran started dropping bombs on own towns and villages.
* Yemen was always failed but situation much much worsened when Iran started playing religious card with sectarian thugs (before that religion never was an issue there).
* In Iraq Saddam had sadistic dictatorship he led terror campaigns against Kurds, then started a war against Iran, then invaded Kuwait. Each resulted in death of hundreds of thousands. US gave to Iraqis democratically elected government for the first time in their history. The problem started when Iran used this democracy to install dozens of sectarian terrorism militias.

How about we compare the extremism and failure of the above mentioned states before US/Israeli intervention and afterwards? We can take Iraq as an example, if you wish to educate me further?

 

[SOHEIL]

Analysis : What used to attack saudi oil facilities?

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/analysis-what-used-to-attack-saudi-oil-facilities.636152/
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/analysis-what-used-to-attack-saudi-oil-facilities.636152/

 

[Hack-Hook]

PIJ has nothing to do with Iranian agenda and only acts on behalf of Palestinians and you know this more than anyone. Don't put them in same category as Hezbollah. Hezbollah is interfering all over Arab world and working with Iran to topple Arab regimes and spread the Shia crescent.

which Arab regime they toppled .

 

[mangekyo]

All examples u brought are wrong. I never said that US did not intervene in other countries. But US does not have its proxy militias like Iran (which has dozens) and so on.

You are either really stupid, ignorant or just a liar.

US have created dozens of proxies that have wrecked havoc upon Middle East.

AL Qaida, Muslim Brotherhood, Taliban, ISIS and SDF are just a few examples of proxies that were created by the US.

But US proxies always stops following US orders, and then they blame Iran. Trump even blamed Iran for creating Al Qaida and Taliban....

 

[M ansari]

All examples u brought are wrong. I never said that US did not intervene in other countries. But US does not have its proxy militias like Iran (which has dozens) and so

sense when freedom fighters who are fighting in their own country against occupier like israel in Lebanon and saudi in Yemen and Syria against isis and your master considered terrorist
by international law fight against occupation is legit on the other hand meanwhile israel who is a apartheid and terrorist assassination of civilians and scientist and reporter and many more
west and Israel propaganda machine has god like power but doesn't chang the fact

 

[nahtanbob]

Qatar needs protection from Turkey

Al Udeid Air Base - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Letter from Ottoman Admiral Barbaros Hayrettin Pasa to Sultan about why he doesnt want Arabic soldiers under his command.
Interesting that this was like 500 years ago yet sounds so familiar.


"Araplar, cenk sanatını bilmez bir kavimdirler. Çölde çapulculuk yapmakla ordu halinde cenk etmeyi aynı şey sanırlar. Cenk sanatını bilen İspanyol kafiri bile Türk leventlerine daima mağlup olagelmişken, hangi akılla bilinmez, bu Arap kabileleri olur olmaz yerde Türkler'in karşısına çıkıp perişan olurlar. Zira onlarda insan canı gayetle değersizdir. Kulluklarını bilip tedbir alacakları yerde, "her şey Allah'tandır" deyip budalaca ölürler. İyi silahları yoktur. Olsa da kullanamazlar. Ateşli silahlarla araları iyi değildir. Sonra en büyük mağlubiyet sebepleri şudur ki, kitle halinde döğüşmenin kaidelerini asla bilmezler. Padişah hazretlerinden bizzat ricamdır ki emrimizde arap leventi bulundurmayınız!''



''Arabs are a tribe that dont know the art of war. They think that roaming around in the desert is the same as doing war as an army. While even the kuffar Spaniards who know the art of war always lost in front of Turkish soldiers who knows what the Arabic tribes were thinking when standing in front of Turkish soldiers and getting devastated every time (this part was hard to translate). Because human life has no value for them. Instead of knowing their weakness and preparing they say ''everything comes from Allah'' and die stupidly. They have no good weapon. Even if they had they cant use them. They are not very good with fire arms. Their biggest reason for loosing is that they dont know how to fight as an orgnaized group.
My personal wish from Padishah is that i dont want Arabic soldiers under my command.

Sorry to tell you: that is the state of Islamic society and education in 1500 during supposedly golden ages