Why Russia has no reason or right to complain about NATOs expansion.

[Trango Towers]

A popular argument from Russian trolls is that NATO promised not to expand, and then expanded anyway, and therefore Russia has the right to invade Ukraine.

It is claimed that Gorbachev was promised this verbally in a meeting.
Since Gorbachev only had an international role until the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991 such a promise must have been made up until 1991.

The arguments against are:

• Gorbachev has stated that he received no such promise https://www.brookings.edu/articles/did-nato-promise-not-to-enlarge-gorbachev-says-no/
• NATO and Russia signed the Founding Act in May 1997 which states that all sovereign states have the right to make their own decisions on such issues.

In short, Russia accepted in writing the expansion of NATO here: https://www.nato.int/cps/su/natohq/official_texts_25468.htm

with the critical part being:

”respect for sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of all states and their inherent right to choose the means to ensure their own security”

Former Warsaw Pact countries wanted to join NATO to avoid being invaded by Russia applied and the first invitation came in July 1997, that is after the Founding Act was signed.

The only deal on enlargement is the 1990 Treaty on the Final Settlement with Respect to Germany. where NATO troops are not to be based in former East Germany - until a new German government decides otherwise.

Treaty on the Final Settlement with Respect to Germany - Wikisource, the free online library

en.wikisource.org

Before signing the Founding Act, Yeltsin wanted to have a promise of no-expansion from Bill Clinton, but this was denied. This is shown in the notes taken from the meeting, available in the Clinton Library.

The Clinton-Yeltsin Relationship in Their Own Words | National Security Archive

Washington, D.C., October 2, 2018 – President Bill Clinton saw Russian leader Boris Yeltsin as indispensable for promoting American interests following the collapse of the Soviet Union, often prompting him to take controversial steps to ensure Yeltsin’s political survival, according to top-level...

nsarchive.gwu.edu

Instead it was agreed to postpone discussions until after critical elections.

Putin and Russian Trolls are lying their teeth out, when they claim that NATO promised - no expansion.

No u Indian troll (as per your words "Russian trolls"). Russia and Ukraine had a 19 point agreement. A document that was paraded in the media by Putin but you worshippers of the western presidents are blind. Why did America invade Cuba during the Cuban missile crisis. Because they didn't want Russia on their doorstep.
Honestly when God gave out brain he forgot the Indians.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Such lengthy sermons. Who is going to read it?

You are terminally disinformed and not reading the appropriate documents before stating an opinion is a major reason for that.

 

[Dalit]

You are terminally disinformed and not reading the appropriate documents before stating an opinion is a major reason for that.

You are a senile man. No one is going to cry for your cause.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

The "neo-nazi" revolution in Ukraine was a threat to peace and security of Russia, because it was endorsed by Nato and neo-nazis are biased against only Russia, rather than being real nazis which aren't.

There was no neo-nazi revolution. There was no revolution.
Putin made the President overstep his authority.
For that, he was going to be impeached according to the Constitution.
Instead of staying and defending himself, he choose to escape with the help of FSB.
The parliament then elected an acting president, until the new election that was already agreed with Yanukovich.
Yanukovich remained President until the end of his term.

All this are internal affairs and Russia does not get any right to invade Ukraine. Read the UN charter…

Why did you post the goal of the changes in the CFE treaty it if it means nothing?

I posted the text of the Founding Act. This refers to other documents.

 

[Foinikas]

You are a senile man. No one is going to cry for your cause.

Dude,while I disagree with the Swede and I think Ukraine should have been neutral (if not pro-Russian)from the beginning,you've been posting completely irrelevant stuff and nonsense. You're just trying to troll him.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

No u Indian troll (as per your words "Russian trolls"). Russia and Ukraine had a 19 point agreement. A document that was paraded in the media by Putin but you worshippers of the western presidents are blind. Why did America invade Cuba during the Cuban missile crisis. Because they didn't want Russia on their doorstep.
Honestly when God gave out brain he forgot the Indians.

The US did not invade Cuba. Cubans invaded Cuba. When people like You cannot argue your case you start to call you opponent ”Indian”.

 

[Foinikas]

There was no neo-nazi revolution. There was no revolution.

There was a coup.

 

[Haldorss]

There was no neo-nazi revolution. There was no revolution.
Putin made the President overstep his authority.
For that, he was going to be impeached according to the Constitution.
Instead of staying and defending himself, he choose to escape with the help of FSB.
The parliament then elected an acting president, until the new election that was already agreed with Yanukovich.
Yanukovich remained President until the end of his term.

All this are internal affairs and Russia does not get any right to invade Ukraine. Read the UN charter…

I posted the text of the Founding Act. This refers to other documents.

I don't know who you're trying to fool. This "revolution" word is used on wikipedia itself:

 

[Abid123]

Russia does not get any right to invade Ukraine.

Says who? Have you forgot what your master the US did to Iraq in 2003? Stop crying about "Ukraine this" and "Ukraine that". Comfort yourself by the fact that Russia has been fighting as "humane" as possible. Russia could have fought a lot dirtier.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

@Lege

I don't know who you're trying to fool. This "revolution" word is used on wikipedia itself:

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Wikipedia is not a reliable source. The President was not removed from his post.
He escaped the country with Russian help.
An elected parliament voting to install an acting president is not a revolution.
If Yanukovich had any problems with the Parliament, he should have fought it in court.

There was a coup.

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Random pictures without date, location and background lack value.
Members of Parliament voting is no coup.

 

[Dalit]

Dude,while I disagree with the Swede and I think Ukraine should have been neutral (if not pro-Russian)from the beginning,you've been posting completely irrelevant stuff and nonsense. You're just trying to troll him.

Look, the Swede's Greek lawyer has arrived... The Swede obviously can't speak for himself. The Swede requires legal assistance from his Greek lawyer.

 

[Haldorss]

@Lege

Wikipedia is not a reliable source. The President was not removed from his post.
An elected parliament voting is not a revolution.


Random pictures without date, location and background lack value.
Members of Parliament voting is no coup.

You can't randomly say that. This wikipedia picture I gave you uses the BBC as a source. You're denying something that ukrainians referred to it as themselves. Really, try to do better than just deny something..

Now that you're easily proven a fool what are you going to do?

 

[Foinikas]

Look, the Swede's Greek lawyer has arrived... The Swede obviously can't speak for himself. The Swede requires legal assistance from his Greek lawyer.

You're acting like a troll,like always. Check my posts and see if I agree or disagree with him,because you rush to say "the Swede's lawyer".

 

[Dalit]

This is not about the legal invasion of Afghanistan. You can discuss it here.

Why Afghanistan lost its neutrality in the War on Terror September 19, 1998

You are sick slave lota who was born in embarrassment, lives in humiliation and leaves the world Again be original...just mirroring what I say. You are the refection nawaz shreef, zardari and evrry gandoo general general out there. You will serve America at the expense of Pakistan. I called...

defence.pk

This case has similarities. They need to be mentioned and recorded in this topic. The West always likes to gang up in the border regions against the target nation.

You're acting like a troll,like always. Check my posts and see if I agree or disagree with him,because you rush to say "the Swede's lawyer".

He disagrees with the Swede. Yet he provides his assistance. You are also missing some brain cells.

 

[Haldorss]

I posted the text of the Founding Act. This refers to other documents.

No, I got the quote from what you posted. You can go back and do a word search and find that it's in the goal of the CFE treaty text you posted. And I repeat why post the goal of the text if you don't think it's worth anything.