Why pellet guns not used to control Dera violence, asks Omar Abdullah

[Kal Muah]

Again, the argument you are presenting is void and unsuitable. Why would someone opt for voting when all you need is to visit a good doctor?
The public doesn't make decisions on critical issues they elect their representative who they think is qualified to make such decisions. Make no mistake, when all sections of public votes for their choice they will more or less choose the most suitable candidate to be their leader.

Also democracy provides a platform for different ideas to come together. Every ideology wants to run country on its own way, and its for the public to decide which ideology to go for. Prime example being AAP, they came being a crusader against corruption and public chose them. Whether he is successful or not is a different thing, but everyone's idea needs to heard, one party cannot chose everytime how the country is going to run. And specially when a party remains in power for a long time it will definately become hugely corrupt, china knows this pretty well.

 

[Dungeness]

Again, the argument you are presenting is void and unsuitable. Why would someone opt for voting when all you need is to visit a good doctor?
The public doesn't make decisions on critical issues they elect their representative who they think is qualified to make such decisions. Make no mistake, when all sections of public votes for their choice they will more or less choose the most suitable candidate to be their leader.

The public does make decision on who is going to make critical decision for them. The general public will vote for the candidate who addresses their immediate concern, rather than someone who promise what is good for the whole country or good for the next generations.

 

[ito]

Because live bullets were used. 32 people were killed during firing. I don't think there is any need to politicize Kashmir situation anymore than it already is?

 

[Dungeness]

No, the system in China is to choose the best doctor in every ten years by a group of people behind close doors. We do the same in India but it is done by the normal public after every five years.

The group of people happened to be the smartest people in China, rather than people who will sell their vote for the highest bidder, be it a TV or a box of boos. Anyway, it is enough for off topic discussion. Let's stop here, and let the life go on.

 

[Kal Muah]

The group of people happened to be the smartest people in China.

If they happen to be smartest people as you claim, then why ban free access to internet? Shouldn't your smartest leaders also hear criticism? The fact is your leaders, no offence, but are unable to handle criticism, be it from other countries or their own people. It is the very reason why group demonstration is banned in China. Take for example the recent controversy of Winnie, a single cartoon is seen as threatning to Chinese leaders. I remember when Putin put a coat on Xi's wife, it was also banned in china after people started sharing it. Censoring is the first step towards narrow minded thinking, and it clearly shows, whatever your leaders doesn't like they simply ban it, which is no different than Kim jong un

 

[Tshering22]

It was by Indian Army, or the thugs kill each other?

Police and Rapid action force (paramilitary).

Army did flag marches just in case things go out of hand.

The paramilitary was given clear orders to shoot down violent mobs.

Things got pretty well under control in a few hours.

Guess force works.

 

[Dungeness]

If they happen to be smartest people as you claim, then why ban free access to internet? Shouldn't your smartest leaders also hear criticism? The fact is your leaders, no offence, but are unable to handle criticism, be it from other countries or their own people. It is the very reason why group demonstration is banned in China. Take for example the recent controversy of Winnie, a single cartoon is seen as threatning to Chinese leaders. I remember when Putin put a coat on Xi's wife, it was also banned in china after people started sharing it. Censoring is the first step towards narrow minded thinking, and it clearly shows, whatever your leaders doesn't like they simply ban it, which is no different than Kim jong un

They have Internet giants, but India doesn't. That is why. Your entire social media is in the hand of a few foreign companies. In China they are in the hand of Chinese companies. If you don't understand the difference, there is nothing to discuss.

Police and Rapid action force (paramilitary).

Army did flag marches just in case things go out of hand.

The paramilitary was given clear orders to shoot down violent mobs.

Things got pretty well under control in a few hours.

Guess force works.

That is why I have been saying India is lucky to escape the criticism from the west. Just imagine if this is happening in China!

 

[Grevion]

The public does make decision on who is going to make critical decision for them. The general public will vote for the candidate who addresses their immediate concern, rather than someone who promise what is good for the whole country or good for the next generations.

And is there anything wrong in that?? People will vote for those who addresses their immediate concerns because they are in the power to decide the agenda and not their leaders.

The group of people happened to be the smartest people in China, rather than people who will sell their vote for the highest bidder, be it a TV or a box of boos. Anyway, it is enough for off topic discussion. Let's stop here, and let the life go on.

It is for the people to decide if they are intelligent or not but that's not the case in china, if your communist party says they are the most suitable for the job everyone else have to nod their head or they will be jailed.

 

[Kal Muah]

They have Internet giants, but India doesn't. That is why.

Again wrong your internet giants are nothing but copy paste version of already established websites :
Alibaba - Amazon
Baidu - Google
Weibo - Twitter
Youku - Youtube and so on
The only reason they became giants is because they were competing with themselves and with no other foreign companies. Thats like giving an exam where you are the only student in your class, so its pretty obvious you will be first, and given china's huge population, its obvious at certain point they will be giant. Even Flipkart which has a massive competition from Amazon became a success in India, so no wonder with huge closed population of China this companies will become huge.

That is why I have been saying India is lucky to escape the criticism from the west. Just imagine if this is happening in China!

No India has been criticised day after day even today for its policies, its just you haven't heard since China-India people interaction wasn't that much. West have repeated criticised our foreign policy for siding with Russians. They have interfered with our domestic policies on being poor yet investing in space explorations, not safe because rape, etc etc
USA have criticized for not supporting Russia, Patent laws, cheap generic drugs manufacture, Indian Kashmir, Terrorist killing and pretty much everything you can think of

 

[Dungeness]

And is there anything wrong in that?? People will vote for those who addresses their immediate concerns because they are in the power to decide the agenda and not their leaders.

It is for the people to decide if they are intelligent or not but that's not the case in china, if your communist party says they are the most suitable for the job everyone else have to nod their head or they will be jailed.

No, there is misunderstanding of Chinese system. I for one was not qualified to be a CCP member because they thought I was not good enough. There are a great degree of democracy within the party system, where every member is constantly under scrutiny from other members. You have to be good enough and nice enough to be promoted into next level. It will take 30 years for one to reach the top.

Don't forget, anyone is invited to be a member, and anyone is subject to scrutiny. and that is a party of 87 million members.

Again wrong your internet giants are nothing but copy paste version of already established websites :
Alibaba - Amazon
Baidu - Google
Weibo - Twitter
Youku - Youtube and so on
The only reason they became giants is because they were competing with themselves and with no other foreign companies. Thats like giving an exam where you are the only student in your class, so its pretty obvious you will be first, and given china's huge population, its obvious at certain point they will be giant. Even Flipkart which has a massive competition from Amazon became a success in India, so no wonder with huge closed population of China this companies will become huge.


No India has been criticised day after day even today for its policies, its just you haven't heard since China-India people interaction wasn't that much. West have repeated criticised our foreign policy for siding with Russians. They have interfered with our domestic policies on being poor yet investing in space explorations, not safe because rape, etc etc
USA have criticized for not supporting Russia, Patent laws, cheap generic drugs manufacture, Indian Kashmir, Terrorist killing and pretty much everything you can think of

OK. If that is what you think, and that is my point to begin with. China does, and India doesn't.

 

[Kal Muah]

OK. If that is what you think, and that is my point to begin with.

Sorry I didn't understand what you meant. Care to elaborate?

No, there is misunderstanding of Chinese system. I for one was not qualified to be a CCP member because they thought I was not good enough. There are a great degree of democracy within the party system, where every member is constantly under scrutiny from other members. You have to be good enough and nice enough to be promoted into next level. It will take 30 years for one to reach the top.

Don't forget, anyone is invited to be a member, and anyone is subject to scrutiny. and that is a party of 87 million members.

You're merely quoting about CCP's party structure, and not its policies. No member in China can criticize CCP policies and that is where the problem lies

 

[Dungeness]

Sorry I didn't understand what you meant. Care to elaborate?

China has their own companies, and India doesn't.

Sorry I didn't understand what you meant. Care to elaborate?


You're merely quoting about CCP's party structure, and not its policies. No member in China can criticize CCP policies and that is where the problem lies

That is not true. You don't know them. China is 5 times what India is, is not by accident. There is a system working very well.

 

[Kal Muah]

China has their own companies, and India doesn't.

TATA, Reliance, Birla, Jindal, Flipkart, TCS, Wipro, ola, there are tons of it, what's your point again?

 

[Dungeness]

TATA, Reliance, Birla, Jindal, Flipkart, TCS, Wipro, ola, there are tons of it, what's your point again?

They are pretty small by Chinese standard, and they have nothing to do with Internet.

 

[Kal Muah]

They are pretty small by Chinese standard.

Thats because of the size of Indian economy. With rising economy you will slowly see this companies on par with anyone.

That is not true. You don't know them. China is 5 times what India is, is not by accident. There is a system working very well.

So CCP policies are open to criticism you mean?