Why Pakistan is an Overmatch for India

[TopGun786]

I said we don't mind foreign help, there was no foreign help during Kargil, why did the overmatch PA ran away from the fight?

I believe you are talking about the incident where India got a shortage of Coffins for her soldiers?

 

[Fireurimagination]

I believe you are talking about the incident where India got a shortage of Coffins for her soldiers?

We are proud of sacrifices of our soldiers. The OP is saying vegetarian Indians can't fight and die, you yourself are stating Indians fought, died and won whereas the PA couldn't even hold on to heights.

Again why did you release Abhinandan to avoid a fight?

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

I said we don't mind foreign help, there was no foreign help during Kargil, why did the overmatch PA ran away from the fight?

Is that the same reason why 7× bigger india has not been able to mess with Pakistan after 1971? Because non-indian are not helping india try to take in Pakistan?............

We are proud of sacrifices of our soldiers. The OP is saying vegetarian Indians can't fight and die, you yourself are stating Indians fought, died and won whereas the PA couldn't even hold on to heights.

Again why did you release Abhinandan to avoid a fight?

Sure they couldn't hold to the heights and you have the evidence to prove that..........

 

[Fireurimagination]

Sure they couldn't hold to the heights and you have the evidence to prove that..........

See what your then PM has to say

 

[Battlion25]

Is that the same reason why 7× bigger india has not been able to mess with Pakistan after 1971? Because non-indian are not helping india try to take in Pakistan?............





Sure they couldn't hold to the heights and you have the evidence to prove that..........

The vegetarians will morally collapse from the loudness of the wardrums before even reaching them

 

[TopGun786]

We are proud of sacrifices of our soldiers. The OP is saying vegetarian Indians can't fight and die, you yourself are stating Indians fought, died and won whereas the PA couldn't even hold on to heights.

Again why did you release Abhinandan to avoid a fight?

No, Indians did not fight ... they were just killed and killed in thousands. I didn't know why you are proud when even most of their families don't think so and just curse the Indian government till day.
We released Abhi-none-done just after beating the hell out of him. This was not the first time we shot an Indian jet, captured, and released the pilot (most likely after getting all the information we needed).
And the last thing that day we shot your two jets .... bombed you in your occupied territory in broad daylight (with video proof) and caused you to shoot your own Heli (when your army panicked too much and was senseless and directionless after successful PAf strikes at their doorstep.... to cut short after this damage and humiliation Indian government was hesitating because they knew things will be very bad for them. The lost nail was struck to your coffin when Pakistan threatened India to make 3 times more missile strikes for every one Indian missile. I wonder why you forgot this last point which actually leaked the air from you baloon.

 

[Fireurimagination]

No, Indians did not fight ... they were just killed and killed in thousands. I didn't know why you are proud when even most of their families don't think so and just curse the Indian government till day.
We released Abhi-none-done just after beating the hell out of him. This was not the first time we shot an Indian jet, captured, and released the pilot (most likely after getting all the information we needed).
And the last thing that day we shot your two jets .... bombed you in your occupied territory in broad daylight (with video proof) and caused you to shoot your own Heli (when your army panicked too much and was senseless and directionless after successful PAf strikes at their doorstep.... to cut short after this damage and humiliation Indian government was hesitating because they knew things will be very bad for them. The lost nail was struck to your coffin when Pakistan threatened India to make 3 times more missile strikes for every one Indian missile. I wonder why you forgot this last point which actually leaked the air from you baloon.

Indians didn't even fight and you vacated captured territory and ran away

FYI during Kargil most Pakistanis died while trying to run away. Check the above link your then PM states they didn't have food, water or weapons. Some fight your planners planned

Oh so you just release enemy soldiers in the middle of a conflict

 

[Tornado23]

Indians didn't even fight and you vacated captured territory and ran away

FYI during Kargil most Pakistanis died while trying to run away. Check the above link your then PM states they didn't have food, water or weapons. Some fight your planners planned

Oh so you just release enemy soldiers in the middle of a conflict

Nawaz sharif is the cause for the lack of perishable supplies to the soldiers fighting as he was the one that withdrew them due to US pressure.

And if we want to talk about what MP or PM had to say regarding the conflict, then do be sure to remember what RK Anand had said about the conflict regarding Pakistan still holding 6/8 peaks in 2001. Today Pakistan still holds 4/8 peaks. You only took 2 peaks back during the initial conflict whilst taking heavy losses. You were outfought despite using your air force.

Bearing in mind, the Kargil war is the most recent war like event to happen between Pakistan and India and it showed who was stronger.... Pakistan only had 5000 soldiers fighting that war.....

 

[Fireurimagination]

Nawaz sharif is the cause for the lack of perishable supplies to the soldiers fighting as he was the one that withdrew them due to US pressure.

And if we want to talk about what MP or PM had to say regarding the conflict, then do be sure to remember what RK Anand had said about the conflict regarding Pakistan still holding 6/8 peaks in 2001. Today Pakistan still holds 4/8 peaks. You only took 2 peaks back during the initial conflict whilst taking heavy losses. You were outfought despite using your air force.

Bearing in mind, the Kargil war is the most recent war like event to happen between Pakistan and India and it showed who was stronger.... Pakistan only had 5000 soldiers fighting that war.....

What stopped Pakistan to fight a full-fledged war instead of retreating? Your then PM was in US begging for a meeting with Clinton instead of fighting. When IAF was conducting sorties PAF was on ground watching from a safe distance, what stopped PAF from getting involved? Not how a overmatched enemy behaves, isn't it?

 

[Tornado23]

What stopped Pakistan to fight a full-fledged war instead of retreating? Your then PM was in US begging for a meeting with Clinton instead of fighting. When IAF was conducting sorties PAF was on ground watching from a safe distance, what stopped PAF from getting involved? Not how a overmatched enemy behaves, isn't it?

It is evident you dont have any idea how that conflict was fought. Firstly NS lamenting to US pressure was his own choice. He was as corrupt then as he is now.

The PAF was not watching from a safe distance. They were maintaining CAPs against the IAF to make sure they didnt cross the border. Which your IAF didnt.

Also you talk about retreating and not fighting is funny, when it was your commander Aul who sought a ceasefire between Pakistan and India, only then to betray by trying launch a surprise counter attacked which pissed up right in front of him when Pakistan counter attacked.

Also this war was fought over 20 years ago. 20 years ago Pakistan possessed no BVR weaponry. How times have changed.

 

[Fireurimagination]

It is evident you dont have any idea how that conflict was fought. Firstly NS lamenting to US pressure was his own choice. He was as corrupt then as he is now.

The PAF was not watching from a safe distance. They were maintaining CAPs against the IAF to make sure they didnt cross the border. Which your IAF didnt.

Also you talk about retreating and not fighting is funny, when it was your commander Aul who sought a ceasefire between Pakistan and India, only then to betray by trying launch a surprise counter attacked which pissed up right in front of him when Pakistan counter attacked.

Also this war was fought over 20 years ago. 20 years ago Pakistan possessed no BVR weaponry. How times have changed.

Okay so PA didn't respect the LOC but PAF decided it will, funny isn't it? Again Nawaz was your PM, elected by Pakistan/Pakistanis not our problem if he was fooled by Musharraf or whoever. International pressure, war going nuclear, Indians cutting supply lines or using iAF all should have been taken in to consideration by your planners. Also we never asked for ceasefire you guys did we rejected in fact we killed maximum when the intruders were trying to retreat.

 

[Battlion25]

What stopped Pakistan to fight a full-fledged war instead of retreating? Your then PM was in US begging for a meeting with Clinton instead of fighting. When IAF was conducting sorties PAF was on ground watching from a safe distance, what stopped PAF from getting involved? Not how a overmatched enemy behaves, isn't it?

You are talking delulu why didn't you fight when your planes was downed, pilot captured including attacked on board day light.. You stuck your tail behind your legs. You knew whos Alpha there

 

[Tornado23]

Okay so PA didn't respect the LOC but PAF decided it will, funny isn't it? Again Nawaz was your PM, elected by Pakistan/Pakistanis not our problem if he was fooled by Musharraf or whoever. International pressure, war going nuclear, Indians cutting supply lines or using iAF all should have been taken in to consideration by your planners. Also we never asked for ceasefire you guys did we rejected in fact we killed maximum when the intruders were trying to retreat.

Wow you really know nothing regarding this conflict.

PAF was admittedly outgunned. So it was limited to CAPs at the time, but not limited to combat.

And no the PA didnt cross the LOC. They were stationed on the border whilst the NLI (now merged with the PA), was occupying thosr 8 peaks. Also thank you for admitting that the majority of the casualties came during the withdrawal of forces during the ceasefire. As i said, cmd aul sought for a ceasefire. He betrayed it by attacking us and losing 6 peaks. Of which 4 are still under PA control today.

We knew the IAF would come into play thats why the NLI was armed with Anza and Stinger manpads. Mig 21, mig 27 and mil mi17 were shot down because of it.

Here. There is an entire thread on it already

Also try focusing on the present instead of the past. Past is not a good way to predict the future.

Debunking Kargil Myths & How Pakistan Captured Point 5353

Let's discuss the ground realities of what happened here: Kargil peaks captured by Pakistan in 1999 Point 5353 Point Aftab-I Point Saddle Ridge Point Bunker Ridge Shangruti Tiger Hill Dhalunag Kargil peaks still under Pakistani control as of 2018 Point 5353 Point Aftab-I Point Saddle Ridge...

defence.pk

 

[Fireurimagination]

Wow you really know nothing regarding this conflict.

PAF was admittedly outgunned. So it was limited to CAPs at the time, but not limited to combat.

And no the PA didnt cross the LOC. They were stationed on the border whilst the NLI (now merged with the PA), was occupying thosr 8 peaks. Also thank you for admitting that the majority of the casualties came during the withdrawal of forces during the ceasefire. As i said, cmd aul sought for a ceasefire. He betrayed it by attacking us and losing 6 peaks. Of which 4 are still under PA control today.

We knew the IAF would come into play thats why the NLI was armed with Anza and Stinger manpads. Mig 21, mig 27 and mil mi17 were shot down because of it.

Here. There is an entire thread on it already

Also try focusing on the present instead of the past. Past is not a good way to predict the future.

Debunking Kargil Myths & How Pakistan Captured Point 5353

Let's discuss the ground realities of what happened here: Kargil peaks captured by Pakistan in 1999 Point 5353 Point Aftab-I Point Saddle Ridge Point Bunker Ridge Shangruti Tiger Hill Dhalunag Kargil peaks still under Pakistani control as of 2018 Point 5353 Point Aftab-I Point Saddle Ridge...

defence.pk

We aren't discussing Kargil, I know PAF was outgunned etc etc. I am just pointing the said out to the OP who is stating PA just needs to initiate war and IA will surrender. When the war was there to be fought PA/PAF couldn't do nothing be it '71, Kargil, Abhinandan episode etc. Thankfully PA is not living in fool's paradise as the OP.

 

[SABRE]

And your cattle and livestock will survive?

Cattle are our deterrence against Indian forces commanded by Modi ;p

I see you are back, my favourite Indian on the forum.