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I am very well aware of the internal divisions in Pakistan. Yes, of course many things and claims are made. Similar to how comments were made about Sikhs during the Khalistan days.Contrast that to pakistan
maoists lack firepower, but they know how to use the terrain to their advantage. You must be reading every once a while tens (if not hundreds) of police/central armed force personnel being killed, and govt of India declaring it the biggest internal security challenge(above kashmir or NE). Surely it must be tempting to use air assets to soften the target, and reduce casualty of troops. We cant even agree to bring army there.(its an ongoing debate)I am very well aware of the internal divisions in Pakistan. Yes, of course many things and claims are made. Similar to how comments were made about Sikhs during the Khalistan days.
However to start making claims that policy is driven on that basis is very dangerous and wrong thing to do. Down that road lies perdition. Over the decades large numbers of people from differant ethnic groups have moved to various parts of the country. For example Karachi now has more Pashtun than Kabul or Peshawar. I suspect the numbers in Karachi to be even higher than cited because the status quo parties in that city would lose out if the census showed the true numbers. That is another subject altogether.
However the critical point you make and which carries on the face of it substance is the differance in the force profile used in insurgency between Pakistan and India. As you mention the Maoist rebels and use of air power. What you forget is that insurgent forces in India and Pakistan are on another universe.
The TTP and other attached fighters on the FATA region are nothing less than Gebirgjager infantry assault teams. These deadly "jager" units of TTP are more than match for any mountain units in the world. They have full firepower and the terrain to match including anti tank/helicopter missiles. This is not surprising as this region was the marshalling yard for the jihadi fighters who took on the Soviet Army. Since than they have had brushed against NATO. So to compare the rag tag Maoists with the hardened fighers of TTP is entirely wrong. Thus the differant approach.
Naxals in India
TTP in Pakistan
They have even been caught with captured US Humvees.
Something else you might like to consider. Naxals are mostly from communties that are on the fringes of Indian society whereas the TTP are mostly Pashtun and large percentage of the Pak Army is made up of Pashtuns - that includes soldiers and officers. Similar to the Sikh composition in India army.
I think the points you raise might carry traction if it was Baloch but certainly in this instance I am afraid your on the wrong track. I know this is favourite of our Afghan friends who bring this "Punjab Army" issue up regulary although they overlook that ANA has disproportionate numbers of Tajiks and Hazarahs. It could be easily called "Tajik Army".
Wrong. Significant portion of the officer corps is of Pashtun origin. Some noteable figures. Probably the best President Pakistan ever had. General Ayub Khan who ruled between 1959-1969The difference between pathans and sikhs in both armies,
I think you are cherrypicking specific names instead of seeing composition of army. Pak army by different estimates has 57 to 71 percent punjabis, and officer cadre is dominated by punjabis. I would invite somebody from forces to reject this notion(even if stats are not readily available).Wrong. Significant portion of the officer corps is of Pashtun origin. Some noteable figures. Probably the best President Pakistan ever had. General Ayub Khan who ruled between 1959-1969
Link > http://www.alshifaeye.org/about.php?p=founder-president
Link > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akbar_Khan_(Pakistani_general)
Link > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayub_Khan_(general)
Link > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fazle_Haq
Linl > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Waheed_Kakar
Link > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Jan_Aurakzai
And I am sure you have heard of Lt.Gen. Niazi of the 1971 war.
Link > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amir_Abdullah_Khan_Niazi
This is just a sample. The list goes on.
I reiterate, The weapons that are available to TTP and Naxals cannot be compared. This region has seen non stop war since 1979 Soviet invasion and the America/NATO combine. And it is "Pashtun" by the way or "Pakhtun".
Pakistan has no military ethnicity composition statistics.I think you are cherrypicking specific names instead of seeing composition of army. Pak army by different estimates has 57 to 71 percent punjabis, and officer cadre is dominated by punjabis. I would invite somebody from forces to reject this notion(even if stats are not readily available).
ok, in that case what is your best guess about the ethnic composition of corps commanders...Pakistan has no military ethnicity composition statistics.
Pakistan has provincial statistics; according to the statistics around 50% are Punjabi.
But then again, 'Punjabi' is no ethnicity; there are around 25-30 Million Pashtuns in Punjab.
Pakistan uses Humvees?A more recent gift from Shawal .. Thanks to NATO or ANA?
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Naxals are armed with hunting rifles and yet they still have inflicted more casualties against Indian security forces.I am very well aware of the internal divisions in Pakistan. Yes, of course many things and claims are made. Similar to how comments were made about Sikhs during the Khalistan days.
However to start making claims that policy is driven on that basis is very dangerous and wrong thing to do. Down that road lies perdition. Over the decades large numbers of people from differant ethnic groups have moved to various parts of the country. For example Karachi now has more Pashtun than Kabul or Peshawar. I suspect the numbers in Karachi to be even higher than cited because the status quo parties in that city would lose out if the census showed the true numbers. That is another subject altogether.
However the critical point you make and which carries on the face of it substance is the differance in the force profile used in insurgency between Pakistan and India. As you mention the Maoist rebels and use of air power. What you forget is that insurgent forces in India and Pakistan are on another universe.
The TTP and other attached fighters on the FATA region are nothing less than Gebirgjager infantry assault teams. These deadly "jager" units of TTP are more than match for any mountain units in the world. They have full firepower and the terrain to match including anti tank/helicopter missiles. This is not surprising as this region was the marshalling yard for the jihadi fighters who took on the Soviet Army. Since than they have had brushed against NATO. So to compare the rag tag Maoists with the hardened fighers of TTP is entirely wrong. Thus the differant approach.
Naxals in India
TTP in Pakistan
They have even been caught with captured US Humvees.
Something else you might like to consider. Naxals are mostly from communties that are on the fringes of Indian society whereas the TTP are mostly Pashtun and large percentage of the Pak Army is made up of Pashtuns - that includes soldiers and officers. Similar to the Sikh composition in India army.
I think the points you raise might carry traction if it was Baloch but certainly in this instance I am afraid your on the wrong track. I know this is favourite of our Afghan friends who bring this "Punjab Army" issue up regulary although they overlook that ANA has disproportionate numbers of Tajiks and Hazarahs. It could be easily called "Tajik Army".
I am not going win am I with you? Some of these officers like General Ayub Khan ruled the country for gawds sake. You want specfic figures. I have them but I need to do some searching to find them.I think you are cherrypicking
The damned Punjabi's are the majority in the country making some 55% plus of the population so that is not surprising.57 to 71 percent punjabis
Pakistan uses Humvees?
Naxals are armed with hunting rifles and yet they still have inflicted more casualties against Indian security forces.
most of naxal related casualty is due to landmines.. they operate in thick vegetation not open field... they know the jungle like back of their hands and can strike and vanish into thin air before your reinforcement comes... you will get disoriented in jungle if you make a wrong turn...Pakistan uses Humvees?
Naxals are armed with hunting rifles and yet they still have inflicted more casualties against Indian security forces.
ok, in that case what is your best guess about the ethnic composition of corps commanders...
most of naxal related casualty is due to landmines.. they operate in thick vegetation not open field... they know the jungle like back of their hands and can strike and vanish into thin air before your reinforcement comes... you will get disoriented in jungle if you make a wrong turn...
there is a reason why naxals are more successful compared to kashmiri militants in spite of vastly inferior weapon.