Why pakistan and india are fighting over kashmir?

[third eye]

Aksai Chin was never ceded by pakistan to china, you need to study your history and geography better. The Aksai Chin area was captured by china from india.

At no stage have I said that Aksai Chin was ceded to China.

Re read the post you have quoted

i thought pakistan occupied the area in 48 war...

 

[livingdead]

No, you too need to read up on your history. The Aksai Chin area was captured by China in 1962, and its to the north west of pakistani kashmir.

Aksai Chin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

ya read it just now..thanks.

 

[damiendehorn]

At no stage have I said that Aksai Chin was ceded to China.

Re read the post you have quoted

The way you structured the piece, implied that pakistan had ceded that area.

 

[third eye]

The way you structured the piece, implied that pakistan had ceded that area.

Thank you for pointing it out, shall be more explicit in future

 

[damiendehorn]

Thank you for pointing it out, shall be more explicit in future

No probs, not my region but hope you guys can sort this mess out. What are the options, if both nations can take their egos out of the equation?

 

[third eye]

No probs, not my region but hope you guys can sort this mess out. What are the options, if both nations can take their egos out of the equation?

The bottom line is :

1.In any property dispute , possession is 2/3rd of the law.

2. India has been in possession for 60 + years. No power on this earth , above or below it can disposses India.

3. Everything that could have been tried has been tried - war, infiltration, subterfuge , diplomacy .. the works.

4. India's policy has been constant ir respective of the party in power - indicating the unanimity of thoughts across the nation on this. Even at its weakest ( in the 90's) India never gave in.

5. The UN resolution is non binding - quite like an advisory.

Now, the only option is to reconcile one's self to realities that there is no use for India to covet GB or Pak to covet K _ its not worth losing your head over a piece of tail ( Please do not get me wrong, the area is not a ' tail' in the literal sense of the word).

Accept it & move on.

Pak has genuine concerns of water as virtually every drop of water that flows on Pak rivers originates or passes through Indian soil.

The IWT has stood the test of time. Water was not stopped either in 65 or in 71 or for that matter Kargil . This should satisfy them

India is moving along & ahead with or without the K problem. Pak actually PA has to decide if it can live without creating a fear of a ' enemy' and maybe find another reason to remain relevant in Pak polity.

 

[suresh1773]

So all the links you gave me are about the hari singh the cruel asshole installed by the british who got nothing to do with a muslim majority kashmir .During his reign he committed atrocites against the innocent kashmiris.The kashmir fight for freedom did not start after 1948 it started the day hari singh or some his other ancestor popped up in kashmir.Despite the fact the muslim majority of kashmir opted for pakistan he tried by suppress them by using indian army.Well he invited the invasion and indian army is the main crime facilitator in this case.

I am new here but already aware of facts.

There was a provison to exchange Kashmir with Hyderabad(Deccan) & Junagadh which was rejected by Pakistan,even if the Kashmir issue is solved in future,the Militants will not vanish in thin air,they r bound to stay & do their jobs. Many of the militant organiizations openly support Taliban & are keen to follow their footsepts

 

[damiendehorn]

The bottom line is :

1.In any property dispute , possession is 2/3rd of the law.

2. India has been in possession for 60 + years. No power on this earth , above or below it can disposses India.

3. Everything that could have been tried has been tried - war, infiltration, subterfuge , diplomacy .. the works.

4. India's policy has been constant ir respective of the party in power - indicating the unanimity of thoughts across the nation on this. Even at its weakest ( in the 90's) India never gave in.

5. The UN resolution is non binding - quite like an advisory.

Now, the only option is to reconcile one's self to realities that there is no use for India to covet GB or Pak to covet K _ its not worth losing your head over a piece of tail ( Please do not get me wrong, the area is not a ' tail' in the literal sense of the word).

Accept it & move on.

Pak has genuine concerns of water as virtually every drop of water that flows on Pak rivers originates or passes through Indian soil.

The IWT has stood the test of time. Water was not stopped either in 65 or in 71 or for that matter Kargil . This should satisfy them

India is moving along & ahead with or without the K problem. Pak has to decide if it can live without creating a fear of a ' enemy'.t

We all know thats the opinion of indians, but in reality pakistan is not going just forget about kashmir and kashmiris as you seem to wish. The question still remain what options are realistic that will satisfy the bulk of the kashmirs?

You can ignore pakistan, but that wont solve the situation. To effectively resolve the situation you need to create policies that cater to the demands of the kashmiris in the valley.

 

[ito]

No probs, not my region but hope you guys can sort this mess out. What are the options, if both nations can take their egos out of the equation?

There is no way that India is going to agree for a plebiscite. It is not the question of ego, but principles.

UN cannot prevail upon India to implement UN resolutions...they are voluntary on part of India. That is the reason why UN inspite of resolutions even after 70 years has not come forward to mediate.

 

[third eye]

We all know thats the opinion of indians, but in reality pakistan is not going just forget about kashmir and kashmiris as seem to wish. The question still remain what options are realistic that will satisfy the bulk of the kashmirs?

You can ignore pakistan, but that wont solve the situation. To effectively resolve the situation you need to create policies that cater to the demands of the kashmiris in the valley.

These exist. The constitution has provisions for J&K & thats what has kept peace for so long.

Kashmiris are not muslims alone, the hindus were hounded out of the valley, they too have a voice.

In India , the ballot is the only answer to problems. Those separatists who feel differently can stand for elections and let the people decide.

For obvious reasons they chose not to face elections.

 

[damiendehorn]

There is no way that India is going to agree for a plebiscite. It is not the question of ego, but principles.

UN cannot prevail upon India to implement UN resolutions...they are voluntary on part of India. That is the reason why UN inspite of resolutions even after 70 years has not come forward to mediate.

Thats just like saying we dont care what the world says or thinks, fine. What are you going to do to resolve the demands of the kashmiris?

 

[ito]

We all know thats the opinion of indians, but in reality pakistan is not going just forget about kashmir and kashmiris as you seem to wish. The question still remain what options are realistic that will satisfy the bulk of the kashmirs?

You can ignore pakistan, but that wont solve the situation. To effectively resolve the situation you need to create policies that cater to the demands of the kashmiris in the valley.

Pakistan has to forget Kashmir...it has no other option.

Regarding Kashmiris especially those from valley more autonomy might work. It is not like all Kashmiris want independence from India. They know that Kashmir valley (a 100 X100 Sq km territory) as a independent entity might not work because of economic reasons.

Thats just like saying we dont care what the world says or thinks, fine. What are you going to do to resolve the demands of the kashmiris?

Which country is insisting on implementing Kashmir resolutions. The world has long forgot Kashmir. The fact that after 1948 there is no resolution passed on Kashmir in UN is proof of that.

As on Kashmiri, there is no one Kashmiri. Jammu is Hindu, Ladhak is Buddist and Valley is Muslim. All have different aspirations from the other.

 

[damiendehorn]

These exist. The constitution has provisions for J&K & thats what has kept peace for so long.

Kashmiris are not muslims alone, the hindus were hounded out of the valley, they too have a voice.

In India , the ballot is the only answer to problems. Those separatists who feel differently can stand for elections and let the people decide.

For obvious reasons they chose not to face elections.

Sure, will india allow any one to stand for election on the platform of seperation? look you have a major problem in the region, and you cant just say it will disapear if pakistan stop stocking it. The underlying problem will still exist.

JK has effectively 3 regions the kashmir valley that is majority muslm, jammu that is slightly hindu majority and ladakh that is sparsly populated with budhists. The bulk of your problems stems from the destisfaction in the valley, so what effectively in the long term will india do to reslove the demands of the population in the valley?

 

[ito]

Sure, will india allow any one to stand for election on the platform of seperation? look you have a major problem in the region, and you cant just say it will disapear if pakistan stop stocking it. The underlying problem will still exist.

JK has effectively 3 regions the kashmir valley that is majority muslm, jammu that is slightly hindu majority and ladakh that is sparsly populated with budhists. The bulk of your problems stems from the destisfaction in the valley, so what effectively in the long term will india do to reslove the demands of the population in the valley?

Many large countries have disputes...China has...Japan has...Taiwan has...UK has.... and I can go on. These issues need to be tackled, but they have to tackled in a manner they have to be tackled that is best for all.

 

[third eye]

Sure, will india allow any one to stand for election on the platform of seperation? look you have a major problem in the region, and you cant just say it will disapear if pakistan stop stocking it. The underlying problem will still exist.

JK has effectively 3 regions the kashmir valley that is majority muslm, jammu that is slightly hindu majority and ladakh that is sparsly populated with budhists. The bulk of your problems stems from the destisfaction in the valley, so what effectively in the long term will india do to reslove the demands of the population in the valley?

There is no restriction on forming a political party so long as it conforms to the laws of the land and those contesting swear allegiance to India.

Now, if such a party wins the state assembly will then have to pass a resolution annulling the accession of the state to the Indian union . It will need a majority for this.

Why dont the separatists stand for elections ?

We are a democracy & answers have to be found within the framework of the constitution.