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Why pakistan and india are fighting over kashmir?

So all the links you gave me are about the hari singh the cruel asshole installed by the british who got nothing to do with a muslim majority kashmir .During his reign he committed atrocites against the innocent kashmiris.The kashmir fight for freedom did not start after 1948 it started the day hari singh or some his other ancestor popped up in kashmir.Despite the fact the muslim majority of kashmir opted for pakistan he tried by suppress them by using indian army.Well he invited the invasion and indian army is the main crime facilitator in this case.
With all due respect, there is no legal case for Pakistan in Kashmir whatsoever. India got Kashmir's accession. The UN resolution which Pakistan hangs onto(which is non-binding by the way) has the first measure as Pakistan withdrawing all its forces from all territories of J&K. If you want to say human rights abuses are only in IOK, well then the moon is in my bedroom come I will show it. If Pakistan's ideology claims all muslim lands of subcontinent, Indian ideology of secularism can claim all lands of subcontinent. Ideologies matter nothing in legal terms. May be you are new here. But these issues are discussed to death here already.
I am new here but already aware of facts.
 
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See because of the historical facts of kashmir and the desire of the muslim population of kashmir to join pakistan there is no way india deserves a inch of kashmir.Based on the paksitan ideology and the partition after wards kashmir would be part of pakistan.Britishers installed a hindu raja in muslim majority kashmir does not change the facts.I agree everything in this video other than what the said about the human right abuses on both sides.Human right abuses are only in IOK not in azad kashmir. IOK is the main root cause of kashmir conflict.

You are new to this forum and rather naive when it comes to history, aren't you ?

Question.. How do you exactly come to the conclusion that India does not deserve an inch of Kashmir ?
What is Pakistan ideology ? People inside your country are still debating about that, a notion that has been changing like a chameleon changes its colours, over the time.
British installed a Hindu Raja in Kashmir...well what about the Nawab/Ameer/Walis of Chitral, Bahawalpur, Khairpur, Swat etc etc. ?
Read your own history first, and then come back and talk.. I hate to take HR/HU 101 for anybody and everybody..
 
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British installed a Hindu Raja in Kashmir...well what about the Nawab/Ameer/Walis of Chitral, Bahawalpur, Khairpur, Swat etc etc. ?
All had one thing in common they were muslims in muslim majority areas unlike the cruel hindu raja in a muslim majority areas installed for the purpose of committing atrocities.

What is Pakistan ideology ? People inside your country are still debating about that, a notion that has been changing like a chameleon changes its colours, over the time.
To fight for a separate homeland for muslims and kashmir is a muslim land.
 
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All had one thing in common they were muslims in muslim majority areas unlike the cruel hindu raja in a muslim majority areas installed for the purpose of committing atrocities.
Okay.. so the condition to accede has now dramatically changed from bureaucracy to personal takes on humanity.Pleas enlighten us all.. What is the new criterion that we are talking about here? I am assuming that the Muslim rulers are generous and the Hindu rulers are cruel.Care to back up your jingoism with some facts or its just hot air ?

To fight for a separate homeland for muslims and kashmir is a muslim land.
Even lands have religion now ?
 
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68 Yrs have passed , and you guys still harp about Kashmir. lets be honest , you cant afford to maintain her. Infrastructure in your country is bad without adding another province. You guys are struggling to get a bus(called metro) project off the ground,
also the dispute can only be about the valley then (if one is to take your argument about Muslim majority)the rest does not have a Muslim majority.

Do refute me with facts and not rhetoric ,

IMHO turn the LOC into the IB is the best alternative towards this disagreement.

What are you talking about? Nearly every infrastructure project Pakistan has embarked on recently and years past, be it highways, dam, metro service, etc has been completed. Pakistan is adding 6 more nuclear power plants and Kalabagh dam. You are on a Pakistani forum you should be better informed. However, none of your points are valid reasons as to why Pakistan should not claim its rightful land. Even Kashmiris wish to join Pakistan and you know that.
 
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On the other hand we must also realize that India is a rising power in the region which has an over-inflated opinion of herself as the nucleus of South Asia around which everything revolves. It envisions herself as the second coming of some mythical Greater India in the modern sense. Which means the rest of us are supposed to keep our territories and everything but fall in line by recognizing the star player in the room. Right now India is in the throes of getting to grips with her reality as a significant military and economic power of the region with extra-regional aspirations. If we continue on falling in line it will only serve to further strengthening her border-line hegemonic delusions.


Therefore I think Pakistan should be firm but not needlessly confrontational in her stance over her core issues so that the tone of a new Indo-Pak relationship isn't set to our detriment.


Aur Sethi Sahib kiya ho rahaa haii aaj kal ?
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I would present a counter opinion that even though India is a rising power, it has never had any hegemonic designs and has been recluse in the international circuit for the longest and will remain to be so. The only thing that separates India and other nations in the region is India’s state policy foreign relations and security. Irrespective of whom we offend or go against, and irrespective of different political makeup at the helm of affairs, India’s state policy has and will remain India First. When it comes to India’s own interests, the entire nation across political and social lines remains steadfast and resolute to present a united front. If that is being misconstrued as hegemonic design, then that is quite unfortunate as it might be quite important for a significant player like Pakistan in the region to thoroughly understand the strategic leanings of it’s claimed adversary. It would be an easy task to incorrectly over simplify India’s foreign policy as hegemonic without any analysis of it. What is the CE matrix for India to impose it’s inflated self view, what returns does it brings to India in doing so, why would India make investments in soft and hard power projections if it has nothing to gain in return. If it does what are they? By presenting India as a delusional state, you are nothing bit undermining your potential adversary and shooting yourself in the foot in the process.


Coming to Kashmir, the 1965 fiasco clearly and completely sealed the fate of any UN resolution based mechanism to work, and after the insurgency, India’s national position transformed to “Entire State of J&K is a part of India”. There is not even the remotest possibility of any government to even contemplate change that. This inflexibility on Indian side on negotiations is a direct result of state sponsored terror mechanism that emanated from Pakistan, and thus if you blame the India of being unreasonable in negotiations on Kashmir, you should also look at the root cause reason for such stance. As for conflict resolution is concerned, grave blocks of conflicts sometimes yield better results, when chipped at instead of running straight into them, the CBM process were the step towards the same direction, but the deep state in Pakistan perhaps had different plans, and wit the trajectories of the respective nations, I don’t see India having any issues in continuing the status quo.
 
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I would present a counter opinion that even though India is a rising power, it has never had any hegemonic designs and has been recluse in the international circuit for the longest and will remain to be so. The only thing that separates India and other nations in the region is India’s state policy foreign relations and security. Irrespective of whom we offend or go against, and irrespective of different political makeup at the helm of affairs, India’s state policy has and will remain India First. When it comes to India’s own interests, the entire nation across political and social lines remains steadfast and resolute to present a united front. If that is being misconstrued as hegemonic design, then that is quite unfortunate as it might be quite important for a significant player like Pakistan in the region to thoroughly understand the strategic leanings of it’s claimed adversary. It would be an easy task to incorrectly over simplify India’s foreign policy as hegemonic without any analysis of it. What is the CE matrix for India to impose it’s inflated self view, what returns does it brings to India in doing so, why would India make investments in soft and hard power projections if it has nothing to gain in return. If it does what are they? By presenting India as a delusional state, you are nothing bit undermining your potential adversary and shooting yourself in the foot in the process.

India has been a recluse so far in international circles because it had nothing to offer in the international arena; now that it does I believe that India's non-alignment, which even in the past was misleading to say the least, would become considerably less pronounced. So far as India putting India first is concerned that inflexibility which is felt by all her neighbors and the grandiose re-imagining of itself as the nucleus of the South Asia with the rest of us as being mere peripheries is exactly why I called it as having 'borderline hegemonic' designs. Pakistan or any other nation would not be shooting herself in the foot if it recognizes that India will put India first even if it means bullying Sri Lanka to extract concessions on the Tamil issues or if it means reducing Maldives, Bhutan and Nepal as mere vassal states (in the modern sense) to a much larger neighbor that they have to co-exist with.

Coming to Kashmir, the 1965 fiasco clearly and completely sealed the fate of any UN resolution based mechanism to work, and after the insurgency, India’s national position transformed to “Entire State of J&K is a part of India”. There is not even the remotest possibility of any government to even contemplate change that. This inflexibility on Indian side on negotiations is a direct result of state sponsored terror mechanism that emanated from Pakistan, and thus if you blame the India of being unreasonable in negotiations on Kashmir, you should also look at the root cause reason for such stance. As for conflict resolution is concerned, grave blocks of conflicts sometimes yield better results, when chipped at instead of running straight into them, the CBM process were the step towards the same direction, but the deep state in Pakistan perhaps had different plans, and wit the trajectories of the respective nations, I don’t see India having any issues in continuing the status quo.

Agreed India's national position has indeed transformed and it transformed well before the start of the insurgency in Kashmir against the state terrorism instigated by the Indian Army over there or even before the '65 War because India knows it too well that it has nothing to gain from a referendum to be held in Kashmir. Which is precisely why that a Nation that was born out of the right of self-determination would deny it to others and would use every legal loophole in the book to ensure that the right is continued to be denied.

So far as the CBMs are concerned it was the deep state in Pakistan that instigated the CBMs in the first place in the early part of '00s and gave it their blessing when the present Government came into being only to be rebuffed by the present Indian government on a mere meeting with the Huriyat - a meeting that has continued to be held for a long time now. Anything to the contrary is simply unsubstantiated nonsense unless this allegedly Orwellian deep state finds us as her confidantes with whom her thoughts are liberally shared.
 
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okay, let me predict something which might be realised in a 50 years or so.
religion/ religious fervour and religious extremism would have waned, even in Kashmir - and you will probably see Kashmir as either independent or as a better integrated part of India.
this would require a weakening of both the religions involved, though.
 
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India has been a recluse so far in international circles because it had nothing to offer in the international arena; now that it does I believe that India's non-alignment, which even in the past was misleading to say the least, would become considerably less pronounced. So far as India putting India first is concerned that inflexibility which is felt by all her neighbors and the grandiose re-imagining of itself as the nucleus of the South Asia with the rest of us as being mere peripheries is exactly why I called it as having 'borderline hegemonic' designs. Pakistan or any other nation would not be shooting herself in the foot if it recognizes that India will put India first even if it means bullying Sri Lanka to extract concessions on the Tamil issues or if it means reducing Maldives, Bhutan and Nepal as mere vassal states (in the modern sense) to a much larger neighbor that they have to co-exist with.
I still disagree with your assessment as India's own interests have remained consistent and has not transformed with it's upswing, if you see the actions of foreign policy from military interventions to strategic escalations and recalibrations, most of them happened when India's stature was at it's lowest standings. Thus proving even so more the consistency of defense of our self interests. As far as India's reclusiveness in the international forum and it's non aligned stance coupled with it's aggressive diplomatic cadre's regimen, all are direct products of it's inherent nature of protecting it's self interests. India chose not to be an active member of the either blocks in the cold war, not because of higher sense of integrity but purely due to to it's self interests of avoiding international confrontational attitude towards it's trade and diplomatic relations. It was a strategic move, and it paid off then and and still yielding results today, back then we had open access to weapons, machinery and infrastructure from most of Europe and USSR, today we have access to technology from any country of our choosing. Non- Aligned movement was nothing but preservation of our independent foreign policy that leverages our markets to ensure our state policy don't receive diktats from D.C or Moscow. If this is not strategic positioning , then I don't know what is. You can see the exact opposite approach from your subsequent governments and the results are out there for you to review.



Agreed India's national position has indeed transformed and it transformed well before the start of the insurgency in Kashmir against the state terrorism instigated by the Indian Army over there or even before the '65 War because India knows it too well that it has nothing to gain from a referendum to be held in Kashmir. Which is precisely why that a Nation that was born out of the right of self-determination would deny it to others and would use every legal loophole in the book to ensure that the right is continued to be denied.
I am not sure what you mean as per the time line of transformation, In my opinion brasstacks and searchlight ensured there is no scope to move forward on the UN Resolutions, till then there was still time for pakistan to have completely evacuated the state of Jammu and Kashmir, and notify UN to start the process of plebiscite, but it instead chose to violate the UN security council resolutions. Pakistan presented a real and present threat to India in form of operation searchlight and operation brasstacks, which forced Indian force deployments in kashmir. With military deployments in civilian areas, there are certain revocations for civil liberties. Instead of resolving the situation, pakistani deep state took this gap in civil liberties in Kashmir to instigate a full blown insurgency with external support after failing to do the same in punjab. That to me was the prime mover in transforming India's stated position on the kashmir dispute.

And yes, you are absolutely right that India is a product of long struggle for right to self determination and freedom, but the philosophy of India has and will remain to be an inclusive state with constitutional equality for all. Now with such constitutional framework there is absolute space in the constitution to demand what ever you need, even a state if chose to, but the constitutional framework is inclusive of all of India, and as it not a colonial power thrust upon the state of J&K, people have the space to fight thier battle within the space of the constitution. Infact the first prime minister of india and his subsequent progeny belonged to the kashmiri origins. But if the instrument of terror is used as a mode of struggle then you are basically going up against the interest of India, and by my previous narrative, it must be clear that, "India first" policy comes into effect. Once that plays, it doesn't matter if it's pakistan or USA or the combined might of the rest of the world, India won't give an inch!

So far as the CBMs are concerned it was the deep state in Pakistan that instigated the CBMs in the first place in the early part of '00s and gave it their blessing when the present Government came into being only to be rebuffed by the present Indian government on a mere meeting with the Huriyat - a meeting that has continued to be held for a long time now. Anything to the contrary is simply unsubstantiated nonsense unless this allegedly Orwellian deep state finds us as her confidantes with whom her thoughts are liberally shared.
I think you are conveniently forgetting that for the purpose of CBM when Atal Bihari Vajpayee was visiting your state, what exactly transpired, To most of the ministry of external affairs that was the end of any hopes in pakistani relation, now it is just an exercise of containment of terrorism for us.

Today, there is nothing to negotiate with pakistan on kashmir in m opinion. The returns on investment on diplomatic capital with pakistan yields extremely small results, bilatral trade relations has better prospect in other regions, then might as well ignore pakistan for now, until the political system doesn't need blessing from other entities whose objectives are quite different from that of a democratic progressive state.[/QUOTE]
 
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See because of the historical facts of kashmir and the desire of the muslim population of kashmir to join pakistan there is no way india deserves a inch of kashmir.Based on the paksitan ideology and the partition after wards kashmir would be part of pakistan.Britishers installed a hindu raja in muslim majority kashmir does not change the facts.I agree everything in this video other than what the said about the human right abuses on both sides.Human right abuses are only in IOK not in azad kashmir. IOK is the main root cause of kashmir conflict.
british installed hindu raja? when and why? my history is weak, please explain.
 
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So all the links you gave me are about the hari singh the cruel asshole installed by the british who got nothing to do with a muslim majority kashmir .During his reign he committed atrocites against the innocent kashmiris.The kashmir fight for freedom did not start after 1948 it started the day hari singh or some his other ancestor popped up in kashmir.Despite the fact the muslim majority of kashmir opted for pakistan he tried by suppress them by using indian army.Well he invited the invasion and indian army is the main crime facilitator in this case.

I am new here but already aware of facts.
Ok then. There is no legal document whatsoever that entitles Pakistani control over any part of J&K. The partition formula of muslim majority/hindu majority was only with British Indian territories. The princely states were allowed to do what they wanted. So legally there is no viable claim for Pakistan.
 
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I still disagree with your assessment as India's own interests have remained consistent and has not transformed with it's upswing, if you see the actions of foreign policy from military interventions to strategic escalations and recalibrations, most of them happened when India's stature was at it's lowest standings. Thus proving even so more the consistency of defense of our self interests. As far as India's reclusiveness in the international forum and it's non aligned stance coupled with it's aggressive diplomatic cadre's regimen, all are direct products of it's inherent nature of protecting it's self interests. India chose not to be an active member of the either blocks in the cold war, not because of higher sense of integrity but purely due to to it's self interests of avoiding international confrontational attitude towards it's trade and diplomatic relations. It was a strategic move, and it paid off then and and still yielding results today, back then we had open access to weapons, machinery and infrastructure from most of Europe and USSR, today we have access to technology from any country of our choosing. Non- Aligned movement was nothing but preservation of our independent foreign policy that leverages our markets to ensure our state policy don't receive diktats from D.C or Moscow. If this is not strategic positioning , then I don't know what is. You can see the exact opposite approach from your subsequent governments and the results are out there for you to review.

The consistency of India's interests have nothing to do whatsoever with whether its advocating military interventions or strategic escalations or not. For India's interests have always remained consistent in that regard in the sense that it has continued to envision herself as the dominant power in South Asia and one that should be heard regardless of whether its interests means trampling over the interests of others - That is, by definition, hegemonic considering that we're dealing with disproportionately sized states dealing with each other. Furthermore India recognizes that in today's world it is not strategic escalations nor military interventions that determine whether a country has clout or not - it is economics and leverage. Additionally, unlike in the past, now it does not have to deal with an introverted China but one that increasingly looks to increase its sphere of influence so a much more calibrated response is required.

So far as the non-alignment thing is concerned; no one argued that India aligned herself as such because of some moral urges. It simply aligned herself as such because it allowed ambiguity whereby India could be in the Soviet camp without ever appearing to be as such. Consequently whether a country follows another's diktats or not does not account for the fact that a fortuitous alignment of strategic considerations gives the impression that one is doing the other's bidding; which is precisely why no serious student of international relations ever passes such blatantly sweeping statements about something as complex as interstate relations.

I am not sure what you mean as per the time line of transformation, In my opinion brasstacks and searchlight ensured there is no scope to move forward on the UN Resolutions, till then there was still time for pakistan to have completely evacuated the state of Jammu and Kashmir, and notify UN to start the process of plebiscite, but it instead chose to violate the UN security council resolutions. Pakistan presented a real and present threat to India in form of operation searchlight and operation brasstacks, which forced Indian force deployments in kashmir. With military deployments in civilian areas, there are certain revocations for civil liberties. Instead of resolving the situation, pakistani deep state took this gap in civil liberties in Kashmir to instigate a full blown insurgency with external support after failing to do the same in punjab. That to me was the prime mover in transforming India's stated position on the kashmir dispute.

The demilitarization of Kashmir agreed upon in the '48 resolution is not nearly a simple matter of Pakistan withdrawing or India withdrawing but a much more contentious issues which is precisely why it went through numerous proposals and counter-proposals beginning by the one floated by the president of the UN security council General McNaughton who proposed gradual demilitarization, the disbandment of both the J&K militia as well as the forces in AJK, the continuation of the local administration of the Northern Areas under the supervision of the UN and the appointment of a UN representative to supervise the process of demilitarization. Pakistan accepted the proposal but India rejected it. (Islam, Women and Violence in Kashmir: Between India and Pakistan by Nyla Ali Khan)

After that it was Sir Owen Dixon's turn to solve the demilitarization issue. He called for the unconditional withdrawal of Pakistani forces followed by a request to both countries to enable the demilitarization of Kashmir. Then the PM Liaquat Ali Khan agreed to this proposal but this request, which would have enabled the maintenance of law and order, was denied by India. (Islam, Women and Violence in Kashmir: Between India and Pakistan by Nyla Ali Khan) (And also noted by the Jozef Korbel the Czech representative at the UN in his book Danger in Kashmir)

In fact in the end Sir Own Dixon lamented in his own words: None of these suggestions commended themselves to the PM of India. In the end I became convinced that India's agreement would never be obtained to demilitarization in any such form or to provisions governing the period of the plebiscite of any such character, as would in my opinion permit the plebiscite being conducted in conditions sufficiently guarding against intimidation and other forms of influence and abuse by which the freedom and fairness of the plebiscite maybe imperiled. (The Statesmen, 15th Sept, 1950)

Afterwards in 1951/52 a joint Anglo-US draft under Sir Gladwyn Jebb that proposed the presence of a neutral force to see our the plebiscite. This was accepted by Pakistan but rejected by India. (Kashmir through the Ages, S.R. Bakshi)

In fact on the 16th of Dec, 1952, the then FM of Pakistan Sir Zafarullah Khan agreed to withdrawing Pakistani forces and permitting India to station the 28,000 force it has requested to Dr.Frank Graham during his UN appointed mission, needed to maintain law and order. Provided that those 28,000 would be without armor, artillery and would include the J&K armed forces. And that as soon as Pakistan withdraws at that stage the UN plebiscite administrator takes over. India rejected this proposal as well. (Kashmir through the Ages, S.R. Bakshi)

Then later in 1957 the UN again attempted to break this deadlock by appointing Sweden's Gunnar Jarring - the president of the security council - who proposed a temporary UN force in Kashmir. Pakistan accepted it whereas India rejected it. (Kashmir and the UNO, S.R. Bakshi)

So the way I see it Pakistan tried to resolve the situation numerous times only to be rebuffed by India which was never serious about conducting a free and fair plebiscite in Kashmir and that much was even noted by Sir Owen Dixon.

And yes, you are absolutely right that India is a product of long struggle for right to self determination and freedom, but the philosophy of India has and will remain to be an inclusive state with constitutional equality for all. Now with such constitutional framework there is absolute space in the constitution to demand what ever you need, even a state if chose to, but the constitutional framework is inclusive of all of India, and as it not a colonial power thrust upon the state of J&K, people have the space to fight thier battle within the space of the constitution. Infact the first prime minister of india and his subsequent progeny belonged to the kashmiri origins. But if the instrument of terror is used as a mode of struggle then you are basically going up against the interest of India, and by my previous narrative, it must be clear that, "India first" policy comes into effect. Once that plays, it doesn't matter if it's pakistan or USA or the combined might of the rest of the world, India won't give an inch!

India can define herself as the second coming of the Holy Roman Empire for all its got to do with my point for I'm simply highlighting the grave hypocrisy whereby a state that was conceived through the exercise of the right of self-determination trying to deny it to others and using every legal trick in the book to do so whether it be a fixation with demilitarization . This duplicity was noted by Sir Owen Dixon as far back as the '50s.


I think you are conveniently forgetting that for the purpose of CBM when Atal Bihari Vajpayee was visiting your state, what exactly transpired, To most of the ministry of external affairs that was the end of any hopes in pakistani relation, now it is just an exercise of containment of terrorism for us.

I think you too are conveniently forgetting that for every Kargil there is a Siachen and if contentious issues stopped us from talking to each other than the dialogue during the Musharraf era would not have been revived with both sides claiming that the back-channel diplomacy where all issues were discussed bore fruitful results.

Today, there is nothing to negotiate with pakistan on kashmir in m opinion. The returns on investment on diplomatic capital with pakistan yields extremely small results, bilatral trade relations has better prospect in other regions, then might as well ignore pakistan for now, until the political system doesn't need blessing from other entities whose objectives are quite different from that of a democratic progressive state.

The problem with speculation, sweeping statements and conjecture is that with all this rhetoric 'facts' are lost and the fact of the matter is that whether the so-called deep state in Pakistan has different objectives or not or whether the Indian establishment put its foot down on the demilitarization of Siachin or not is mere 'conjecture' and anyone can make anything out of it.

@Secur @HRK @DESERT FIGHTER @Icarus @Xeric - I am not that knowledgeable about the Kargil conflict so care to add something to MilSpec's point about Vajpayi coming here and Kargil ?
 
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Renaming 'Jammu & kashmir' to Jammu & ladakh
Renaming 'Azad' Kashmir, GB to 'GB & Kashmir.

Win-win situation !
If only life was that simple, all the problems in the world would have been solved by now. Any way I enjoyed reading your simple statement.
 
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68 Yrs have passed , and you guys still harp about Kashmir. lets be honest , you cant afford to maintain her. Infrastructure in your country is bad without adding another province. You guys are struggling to get a bus(called metro) project off the ground,
also the dispute can only be about the valley then (if one is to take your argument about Muslim majority)the rest does not have a Muslim majority.

Do refute me with facts and not rhetoric ,

IMHO turn the LOC into the IB is the best alternative towards this disagreement.
sir, I agree with u
 
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Oi stop using my lands as a bargaining chip, Sethi Sahib ! :mad:

Hum Kashmiriyon ne aap ka kiya bigaraa haiii that you're linking us to paradoxes and what not ? :cry:

Khair jokes aside; there is no paradox nor do we need to make a case for Kashmir to cede to us. Maintaining our legitimate stand over Kashmir and working towards economically strengthening Pakistan are not mutually exclusive to each other. Its not as if by saying that the Kashmiris are being denied their legitimate right to self-determination or that the Indian state has used everything from rape to murder as an instrument of domestic policy over there, constitutes as an advocacy of saying 'lads pick up your arms and lets liberate Kashmir'.

No need to rake up the Kashmir issue more than we traditionally do - Talk about it at the UN, meet the Hurriyat, touch upon it at Secretary level talks etc. but otherwise have an introverted approach; which is to say that work towards strengthening Pakistan from the inside and learning how the game works before continuing to play it - In short take a break from everything that doesn't contribute to Pakistan's economic development.

On the other hand we must also realize that India is a rising power in the region which has an over-inflated opinion of herself as the nucleus of South Asia around which everything revolves. It envisions herself as the second coming of some mythical Greater India in the modern sense. Which means the rest of us are supposed to keep our territories and everything but fall in line by recognizing the star player in the room. Right now India is in the throes of getting to grips with her reality as a significant military and economic power of the region with extra-regional aspirations. If we continue on falling in line it will only serve to further strengthening her border-line hegemonic delusions.

Therefore I think Pakistan should be firm but not needlessly confrontational in her stance over her core issues so that the tone of a new Indo-Pak relationship isn't set to our detriment.

Aur Sethi Sahib kiya ho rahaa haii aaj kal ? :azn:

It may not easy for Pakistan to maintain the same position on Kashmir and strengthen your economy. Any unchanged position on Kashmir means huge resources spending on part of Pakistan. And moreover, most of the terrorist groups use Kashmir as bogey for their existence.
 
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