Why Pak army not interested in largest wheeled IFV and APC

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well I would not imagine a Big loaded APC would come to 100% stop from 60 km /hr to 0 km / hr in matter of instant. I was imagining more or less a drastic stop but still not as dangerous situation , such as sharpnels reaching Soldiers and causing serious injuries. Worse I Imagine is may be a bruise or two. A heavy APC like Hamza I would imagine a jolt would be felt or may be even a bump but the weight and momentum of the vehicle would prevent the vehicle to flip over. And the vehicle would come to a slow stop

Fairly secure setup for soldiers inside with seat belts

I would not expect the newer designs to be breached structurally by any Sharpnel or ball bareing like creatures

Travelling in APC , drivers would be 100% safe , and the group of soliders will be also protected, if the ambush was followed up with fire exchange I would expect the soldiers inside to regourp their senses and fight back , again showcasing the proper usage of the vehicle and it's benefits

Travelling in open ended trucks / Toyota trucks has to go

The idea thrown about the Jammers for improvised explosives certainly is a technological advancement that Pakistan needs to attain to deal with threats on the ground level - something that should be a high priority

I don't see why the APC's can't themselves carry these Jamming devices

Hamza APC , is a a very Large vehicle and can only be compared with a full blown Truck as you can see with the size comparison with people walking in a demo show , so you can imagine the interior of the vehicle is fully capable of providing proper seating for crew of 10-12 Soldiers in active Patrol

This is a Legitimate Beast vehicle
You can literally Shoot all you want all day on it with petty guns or pistol

 

[Zarvan]

Well I would not imagine a Big loaded APC would come to 100% stop from 60 km /hr to 0 km / hr in matter of instant. I was imagining more or less a drastic stop but still not as dangerous situation , such as sharpnels reaching Soldiers and causing serious injuries. Worse I Imagine is may be a bruise or two. A heavy APC like Hamza I would imagine a jolt would be felt or may be even a bump but the weight and momentum of the vehicle would prevent the vehicle to flip over. And the vehicle would come to a slow stop

Fairly secure setup for soldiers inside with seat belts

I would not expect the newer designs to be breached structurally by any Sharpnel or ball bareing like creatures

Travelling in APC , drivers would be 100% safe , and the group of soliders will be also protected, if the ambush was followed up with fire exchange I would expect the soldiers inside to regourp their senses and fight back , again showcasing the proper usage of the vehicle and it's benefits

Travelling in open ended trucks / Toyota trucks has to go

The idea thrown about the Jammers for improvised explosives certainly is a technological advancement that Pakistan needs to attain to deal with threats on the ground level - something that should be a high priority

I don't see why the APC's can't themselves carry these Jamming devices

Hamza APC , is a a very Large vehicle and can only be compared with a full blown Truck as you can see with the size comparison with people walking in a demo show , so you can imagine the interior of the vehicle is fully capable of providing proper seating for crew of 10-12 Soldiers in active Patrol

This is a Legitimate Beast vehicle
You can literally Shoot all you want all day on it with petty guns or pistol

Brother this is not an APC and but a MRAP. There is big difference in both machines.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

The structure is still powerfull enough to divert any dangerous projectiles or gunshot or blast from puny blast that depend on metal balls based projectiles

Also since the vehicle is lifted so much off the ground and has a heavy structure I would certainly like to see how it performs on a real mine test

Enemy is operating with crude blasts not professionally constructed mines

 

[Zarvan]

The structure is still powerfull enough to divert any dangerous projectiles or gunshot or blast from puny blast that depend on metal balls based projectiles

Also since the vehicle is lifted so much off the ground and has a heavy structure I would certainly like to see how it performs on a real mine test

Enemy is operating with crude blasts not professionally constructed mines

Yes that is why they would be used as MRAP if the pass tests to prevent IED and other attacks but in war and other things IFV and AFV will be used

 

[Muhammad Omar]

FNSS PARS 8X8 is likely to win the competition.

This one When??

http://www.*********************.com/forums/attachments/large_pars-8x8-029-jpg.1327/

 

[Basel]

Quite satisfied with Hamza APC

The platform is sufficient enough need to induct in quantity

Search is over we have what we wanted

Made in Pakistan , case closed

Driver can not see whats below front engine area / deck its not case in many other wheeled APCs/IFVs, it seems the design needs improvement In some places.

 

[Zarvan]

This one When??

Well when trials are over and negotiations are done than it would take some time but things are moving forward

 

[Motiur Rehman]

If Hamza is also used by POLICE, Rangers, Navy, Airforce, it will be economical.

 

[cabatli_53]

This one When??

Malaysia selected FNSS Pars-8x8

UAE selected Otokar Arma 8x8

It is just a matter of decision bros...

 

[Arsalan]

Well when trials are over and negotiations are done than it would take some time but things are moving forward

Please do not ignore the difference between trials and interest/consideration!

 

[Zarvan]

Please do not ignore the difference between trials and interest/consideration!

What I get by talking to Horus is trials have taken place

 

[Arsalan]

What I get by talking to Horus is trials have taken place

@Horus can confirm this himself if it is required. I suppose he have the rights to make post on this thread.

SIR PLEASE, FOR GOD's SAKE, STOP SPECULATING ON EVERY MILITARY HARDWARE YOU HEAR THE NAME OF AND MISLEADING MEMBERS HERE IN THE PROCESS. PLEASE!!

 

[MystryMan]

@Horus can confirm this himself if it is required. I suppose he have the rights to make post on this thread.

SIR PLEASE, FOR GOD's SAKE, STOP SPECULATING ON EVERY MILITARY HARDWARE YOU HEAR THE NAME OF AND MISLEADING MEMBERS HERE IN THE PROCESS. PLEASE!!

He should put a disclaimer in his posts so that readers don't get disappointed when nothing happens just like frigate deal with Turkey.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Well I would not imagine a Big loaded APC would come to 100% stop from 60 km /hr to 0 km / hr in matter of instant. I was imagining more or less a drastic stop but still not as dangerous situation , such as sharpnels reaching Soldiers and causing serious injuries. Worse I Imagine is may be a bruise or two. A heavy APC like Hamza I would imagine a jolt would be felt or may be even a bump but the weight and momentum of the vehicle would prevent the vehicle to flip over. And the vehicle would come to a slow stop

Fairly secure setup for soldiers inside with seat belts

I would not expect the newer designs to be breached structurally by any Sharpnel or ball bareing like creatures

Travelling in APC , drivers would be 100% safe , and the group of soliders will be also protected, if the ambush was followed up with fire exchange I would expect the soldiers inside to regourp their senses and fight back , again showcasing the proper usage of the vehicle and it's benefits

Travelling in open ended trucks / Toyota trucks has to go

The idea thrown about the Jammers for improvised explosives certainly is a technological advancement that Pakistan needs to attain to deal with threats on the ground level - something that should be a high priority

I don't see why the APC's can't themselves carry these Jamming devices

Hamza APC , is a a very Large vehicle and can only be compared with a full blown Truck as you can see with the size comparison with people walking in a demo show , so you can imagine the interior of the vehicle is fully capable of providing proper seating for crew of 10-12 Soldiers in active Patrol

This is a Legitimate Beast vehicle
You can literally Shoot all you want all day on it with petty guns or pistol

In Turkey's case, these guys have saved 3K-5K lives so far as per some estimates...

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

Is the Army wheeled APC project final?