Why Pak army entered so late into the 1948 war of Kashmir?

[Pride]

Simply no.That was Poonchians who revolted against Dogra army and Tribals came for reinforcements.

Whatever satisfies your version but remember that to suppress the revolt only and if no loot, killings and Rapes were involved, Hari Singh would not have signed accession to India.

 

[Burhan Wani]

Anyways, what has liberation of districts from infidel dogras has got to do with 3 june plan violation?
which you wer saying India violated?

Hmm. here it comes.
1. Actually these areas had Muslims majority so they should be a part of Pakistan not of India .
2.They don't want to pay additional taxes and need religious freedom.
3. They liberated and happily want to live with pakistan. etc

Whatever satisfies your version but remember that to suppress the revolt only and if no loot, killings and Rapes were involved, Hari Singh would not have signed accession to India.

Hari singh did. He was backed by Indian Government and reinforced by gorkha regiments.Poonch rebellion tastes bitter isn't it.

 

[Burhan Wani]

Muslim majority formula did not applied to the princely state of J&K.
They had a choice. A choice...... Do you understand what it means, having a choice?
No matter which district of J&k you are talking about. by your logic you interfered in a domestic matter of a foreign state, which you shouldn't have in the first place.

You still didn't answer me how India violated that june plan.

Ahan then tell me about Operation polo?. What was happened to Nizam of hayderabad? How you can say that Muslim majority formula is not aplied for princely state of J&K.?

 

[Burhan Wani]

Hyderabad decided to stay free just like Kashmir. But they did not have any instrument of accession signed with pakistan. OR did they? Please tell me if they did. Hence you have no say in matter of HydBd.

and second of all Hyderabad would have been a country inside a country. Not possible, not feasible. That is why India acceded HydBd. and that too when razakars started killing public and telangana activists.

A country inside a country is not possible. How?
I have a big example of United kingdom.

 

[Pride]

Ahan then tell me about Operation polo?. What was happened to Nizam of hayderabad? How you can say that Muslim majority formula is not aplied for princely state of J&K.?

Muslim Majority formula was only for 2 states i.e. Punjab and Bengal for Radcliff Line. It doesn't bother or apply to any other states as they were on wish of Princely state. Nizam of Hyderabad was a separate case irrelevant to religion, We can't have states with in states within states.

A country inside a country is not possible. How?
I have a big example of United kingdom.

United Kingdom is not a country inside a country but country inside a Union.

Only country in the world, where Country is surrounded by one country is Lesotho surrounded by South Africa.

 

[Burhan Wani]

Muslim Majority formula was only for 2 states i.e. Punjab and Bengal for Radcliff Line. It doesn't bother or apply to any other states as they were on wish of Princely state. Nizam of Hyderabad was a separate case irrelevant to religion, We can't have states with in states within states.


United Kingdom is not a country inside a country but country inside a Union.

Only country in the world, where Country is surrounded by one country is Lesotho surrounded by South Africa.

Then why Nizam couldn't united with Inida ? Your view ragarding princely state isn't correct.

 

[Pride]

Hmm. here it comes.
1. Actually these areas had Muslims majority so they should be a part of Pakistan not of India .
2.They don't want to pay additional taxes and need religious freedom.
3. They liberated and happily want to live with pakistan. etc


Hari singh did. He was backed by Indian Government and reinforced by gorkha regiments.Poonch rebellion tastes bitter isn't it.

Read history first. These minor revolts never worked. here is some of the foreigner's records. Nobody cared Poonchian or their tantrums. Even Pathan Army would have been handled properly but Nehru Came back from England.

BBC News - Kashmir profile - Timeline

THE FIRST INDO-PAKISTANI WAR, 1947-48 | Peter Almos Kiss - Academia.edu

 

[Burhan Wani]

Read history first. These minor revolts never worked. here is some of the foreigner's records. Nobody cared Poonchian or their tantrums. Even Pathan Army would have been handled properly but Nehru Came back from England.

BBC News - Kashmir profile - Timeline

THE FIRST INDO-PAKISTANI WAR, 1947-48 | Peter Almos Kiss - Academia.edu

I know better then Peter Almos Kiss. funny name KISS

 

[Pride]

Then why Nizam couldn't united his state with Inida ? Your view ragarding princely state isn't correct.

Because Sardar Patel was a visionary man, he knew how to handle this situation. Nizam was only once in 500+ Princely states which was merged to Indian Union.

On the other hand, Pakistan also did the same be it Prince of Kalat who wanted to go to independent or NWFP where Khan Abdul Gaffar Khan wanted to merge with India but boycott the voting for accession in Pakistan. These all are Tactical handlings and not sentimental.

I know better then Peter Almos Kiss. funny name KISS

Thanks. You just confirmed that you are a teenager, may be an engg student, so nothing here to discuss with you. Thanks again!

 

[Desert Fox]

Pashtun warriors entered into Kashmir on october 1947. Indian army entered into kashmir to deal with tribesmen on november 1947 while pak army entered into the war after five months, in May 1948.
1- Why few thousands ill-equipped tribesmen were forwarded to face Indian army with tanks and air force for whole five months?. What were the activities of pak army in this interval?.
2- On official website of Pak army, on page about 1948 war of kashmir, there is not a even single mention of pashtun tribals. What does it mean?. They want to tell us that tribals acted independently and pak army had nothing to do with them? Or that "fodders" are not worthy of mention and credit?.
Kashmir War 1947 - 49

Edit: Was general gracey the reason of that long delay? Why general gracey was not fired for insobordination?

Tribal invasion is a disputed fact and Pakistan didn't have a functional Army till the mid 50s.

Because General Gracey, Pakistan Army's British General, did not allow PA to move into Kashmir to counter the indian invasion.

For all the bad mouthing Pashtuns get on this forum and in real life by many Pakistanis, they should at least acknowledge the Pashtun involvement and sacrifice in attaining Azad Kashmir for Pakistan through their own blood.

Analyst from Lahore, Dr.Ishtiaq ahmed, is saying that rapes, pillaging and looting is deeply rooted in the culture of pashtuns.

One should ask this fool in which Pakistani/indian culture is rape, pillaging, and looting not "deeply rooted" in?? If one were to ask Bangladeshis today if rape is rooted in Pakistan culture im sure they'd say yes. And regarding india, the amount of rapes happening in that country is truly appalling and any foreigners can easily deduce from this that rape is rooted in indian culture.

 

[Burhan Wani]

Because Sardar Patel was a visionary man, he knew how to handle this situation. Nizam was only once in 500+ Princely states which was merged to Indian Union.

On the other hand, Pakistan also did the same be it Prince of Kalat who wanted to go to independent or NWFP where Khan Abdul Gaffar Khan wanted to merge with India but boycott the voting for accession in Pakistan. These all are Tactical handlings and not sentimental.


Thanks. You just confirmed that you are a teenager, may be an engg student, so nothing here to discuss with you. Thanks again!

I am not saying history written in this article is wrong .It is Biased.
Issue regarding Prince of Kalat we didn't started operations like Operation Polo.

 

[MastanKhan]

Pashtun warriors entered into Kashmir on october 1947. Indian army entered into kashmir to deal with tribesmen on november 1947 while pak army entered into the war after five months, in May 1948.
1- Why few thousands ill-equipped tribesmen were forwarded to face Indian army with tanks and air force for whole five months?. What were the activities of pak army in this interval?.
2- On official website of Pak army, on page about 1948 war of kashmir, there is not a even single mention of pashtun tribals. What does it mean?. They want to tell us that tribals acted independently and pak army had nothing to do with them? Or that "fodders" are not worthy of mention and credit?.
Kashmir War 1947 - 49

Edit: Was general gracey the reason of that long delay? Why general gracey was not fired for insobordination?

Hi,

The general was the reason for the delay---.

The reason there maybe not mention of the tribals is to hide the shame of most of them----. What happened was just 10 0r 12 mils from Srinagar----the tribals starting looting a small town----the professionals were begging them to move into sri nagar and take it----but greed and shortsigtedness overcame nationalism---indian military was given roughly 12 hours of respite and they were able to land troops in sri nagar---.

The tribal lashkar is the casue of this major problem----for that reason I am against all kind of tribal lashkars---. Their goals are only dictated by greed---.

Analyst from Lahore, Dr.Ishtiaq ahmed, is saying that rapes, pillaging and looting is deeply rooted in the culture of pashtuns.
view: The 1947-48 Kashmir War —Ishtiaq Ahmed
Look at his face,
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There is nothing wrong with his face. He looks like a respectable well dressed man----.

 

[syedali73]

Hi,

The general was the reason for the delay---.

The reason there maybe not mention of the tribals is to hide the shame of most of them----. What happened was just 10 0r 12 mils from Srinagar----the tribals starting looting a small town----the professionals were begging them to move into sri nagar and take it----but greed and shortsigtedness overcame nationalism---indian military was given roughly 12 hours of respite and they were able to land troops in sri nagar---.

The tribal lashkar is the casue of this major problem----for that reason I am against all kind of tribal lashkars---. Their goals are only dictated by greed---.




There is nothing wrong with his face. He looks like a respectable well dressed man----.

Good to see that at least one more member knows about this though this info is there in Altaf Gauhar's book only if one bothers to read. For making mention of tribals looting, and its effect on Kashmir movement, I was awarded one (and only so far) negative rating by an ethnic member who blamed me of being racist. Lets see if after reading this he also gives you a negative rating or not.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I think its common knowledge Pakistan Army / resources and man power were very limited immediately after partition

 

[Joeblow]

Hi,

The general was the reason for the delay---.

The reason there maybe not mention of the tribals is to hide the shame of most of them----. What happened was just 10 0r 12 mils from Srinagar----the tribals starting looting a small town----the professionals were begging them to move into sri nagar and take it----but greed and shortsigtedness overcame nationalism---indian military was given roughly 12 hours of respite and they were able to land troops in sri nagar---.

The tribal lashkar is the casue of this major problem----for that reason I am against all kind of tribal lashkars---. Their goals are only dictated by greed---.




There is nothing wrong with his face. He looks like a respectable well dressed man----.

You could be be right about about the general. I've always thought it was because Pakistan had signed the standstill agreement with Hari Singh that they could jump into the fray till India acted first. Am I wrong?
Agree with you on the rest. If the lashkars hadn't be d**king around they would have captured the Srinagar airport