Why not a civilian head of ISI?

[Rafi]

This idiot suffers from schizophrenia - when he is accused of being against the armed forces - his panties get tied in a knot.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

kamran shafi is a joke.......words can't even describe these types

and you can see how civilized he acts during a telecast debate.....kamran shafi gave a ''talk'' in dc at the atlantic council; sources tell me that he raised quite a ruckus there

he has a serious anger/emotions problem when people openly disagree with him.....so the debate immediately ends there, when you are dealing with such an unstable person with mental complexes


whereas at least we have retired and serving khakis who always look sharp and confident and composed when behind the cameras and the screens....they answer the questions without playing games. And they keep their cool.

to get back on point, the intelligence agencies also do employ civilians though head is a retired Lt. Gen.



and it will remain that way; look at the FIA (totally civilian run --federal investigative agency) and pray tell me what a fine and well managed and fully accountable agency it is....wasnt ''Dr.Rehman Malik'' the former DG (before becoming a bodyguard)

 

[RazPaK]

Civilian leader of the ISI?


What do we want to neuter the only organization that looks out for Pakistan's interests?

 

[GOD OF WAR]

This idiot suffers from schizophrenia - when he is accused of being against the armed forces - his panties get tied in a knot.

that nihilistic 5hit for brains prolly soiled his grey suit there

 

[pak-marine]

Who is the ISI reporting to?

January 6, 2012



You know the game is up when even Asma Jahangir walks off in a huff with the ball mid-match. The indefatigable human-rights lawyer threw a tantrum after the Supreme Court decided that the charges against her client, Husain Haqqani, in the Memogate casewarranted investigation by a commission.

Jahangir decided she could no longer represent Haqqani after accusing the judiciary of working in league with the ‘establishment’, a term that means ‘everyone I disagree with in Pakistan’. In this case, she seemed to be referring to the ISI.

Earlier, Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani more or less admitted that he had no control over the ISI after it was revealed that spy chief Ahmed Shuja Pasha had met Mansoor Ijaz in London to investigate the Memogate charges without actually seeking permission from the PM.

Whether it’s the civilian government at home or foreign governments abroad, there is nothing they enjoy more than deflecting blame towards the ISI. If everything we have heard about them is true, the ISI is the head of the Evil League of Evil, an organization so nefarious that everything wrong in the country can be blamed on them.

But is there any truth to the claim that the ISI is a rogue operation that submits to no authority?

Not quite.

Yes, the ISI is responsible for rigging elections, training militants and generally making a nuisance of themselves but to call it an unaccountable organisation allows responsibility to shift away from the army.

The fact is that the ISI is not a rogue group; everything it does is with the express consent of the army. Blaming one part of the military apparatus, rather than the whole, gives the army a free pass for its many strategic and moral failings, from the folly of its Afghanistan policy to the mass abductions of citizens for no discernible reason. It is for that very reason that the army itself quietly promotes the myth of the ISI as a process-free organization that no one has a grip on.

The problem is not just that Pasha was carrying out an investigation behind the prime minister’s back. What is really worrying is that Pasha would not have done so without army chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani’s, and as a result the entire military’s, blessing.

Holding the ISI solely responsible is like blaming your death on cancer rather than the tens of thousands of cigarettes you smoked all your life. The ISI is merely the natural result of the military’s dominance over the country. Once the civil-military imbalance is redressed, the ISI problem goes away.

Do you feel the civilian government has control over the ISI?

 

[T90TankGuy]

so the military controls the isi right? who controls the military?

 

[SMC]

^ None of bharati concern.

 

[Last Hope]

Earlier, Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani more or less admitted that he had no control over the ISI after it was revealed that spy chief Ahmed Shuja Pasha had met Mansoor Ijaz in London to investigate the Memogate charges without actually seeking permission from the PM.

Yes, the ISI is responsible for rigging elections, training militants and generally making a nuisance of themselves but to call it an unaccountable organisation allows responsibility to shift away from the army.

The fact is that the ISI is not a rogue group; everything it does is with the express consent of the army. Blaming one part of the military apparatus, rather than the whole, gives the army a free pass for its many strategic and moral failings, from the folly of its Afghanistan policy to the mass abductions of citizens for no discernible reason. It is for that very reason that the army itself quietly promotes the myth of the ISI as a process-free organization that no one has a grip on.

The problem is not just that Pasha was carrying out an investigation behind the prime minister’s back. What is really worrying is that Pasha would not have done so without army chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani’s, and as a result the entire military’s, blessing.

Holding the ISI solely responsible is like blaming your death on cancer rather than the tens of thousands of cigarettes you smoked all your life. The ISI is merely the natural result of the military’s dominance over the country. Once the civil-military imbalance is redressed, the ISI problem goes away.

What a joke! No wonder.. Is the writer Kamran Shafi by the way?
What a load of paranoid bull crap which is usually posted in Bharti papers or Washington times.

Seems like Kamran Shafi has signed a new contract where he has to keep his brains away before writing.

 

[pak-marine]

What a joke! No wonder.. Is the writer Kamran Shafi by the way?
What a load of paranoid bull crap which is usually posted in Bharti papers or Washington times.

Seems like Kamran Shafi has signed a new contract where he has to keep his brains away before writing.

I am quoting it below , writer has questioned and than answered this in negative .. read the full thread please

But is there any truth to the claim that the ISI is a rogue operation that submits to no authority?

Not quite.

 

[Last Hope]

Well I did read the whole article by Nadir Hussain on express tribune.
He just wrote a few neutral words to save himself getting bashed by the public which is all pro-ISI.

 

[karan.1970]

I am quoting it below , writer has questioned and than answered this in negative .. read the full thread please

I think you need to do that more..

Yes, the ISI is responsible for rigging elections, training militants and generally making a nuisance of themselves but to call it an unaccountable organisation allows responsibility to shift away from the army.

 

[Sugarcane]

..............
Do you feel the civilian government has control over the ISI?

Agar yeh chutiyaa control nahi kar saktay tu mango lainay kay liay govt. mai baithay rahtay hain? People vote them for what???

 

[longbrained]

Legally and practically, ISI just like any other intel organization in the world answers to the government, in Pakistan's case to Prime minister of Pakistan. The problem is that corrupt politicians for a long time has been using these power tools and institutions for their ends, for example in 1990's they used these intel organs to keep an eye on their political opponents. That is where the problem starts. If politicians were sincere then, every thing would be fine. Any patriotic officer in these institutions would proudly salute an uncorrupted and sincere democratically elected prime minister and take his orders. Just look at Turkey. That is my two cents.

 

[notsuperstitious]

Legally and practically, ISI just like any other intel organization in the world answers to the government, in Pakistan's case to Prime minister of Pakistan. The problem is that corrupt politicians for a long time has been using these power tools and institutions for their ends, for example in 1990's they used these intel organs to keep an eye on their political opponents. That is where the problem starts. If politicians were sincere then, every thing would be fine. Any patriotic officer in these institutions would proudly salute an uncorrupted and sincere democratically elected prime minister and take his orders. Just look at Turkey. That is my two cents.

If politicians are insincere, there are elections. If armed forces are so, what recourse is there for the common masses? Other than mindless solganeering to feel good of course.

 

[pak-marine]

Agar yeh chutiyaa control nahi kar saktay tu mango lainay kay liay govt. mai baithay rahtay hain? People vote them for what???

people support isi not under control , there is a poll on tribune's website where majority over 80% voted against it .. do you see the problem now