Why Nasr is a demotivating agent.

[tested]

delusion at its best.

we'll surprise you....just get that many troops into our border first!!

Ultimately, it will be a Pakistani bomb exploding on Pakistani soil.

That is literally what the Pakistan Military is banking on that the fact that it explodes on Pakistani soil and that should make a case to GoI to not retaliate back with strategic/counterforce nukes.

 

[unbiasedopinion]

Ok guys,we are all talking a bit too much about Nasr lately.
IMO,Nasr is doing it's job very well as a minimum credicble dett. thingy but if I think of Nasr from the perspective of the Indian soldiers and officers who may be demanded to lauch on an offensive on Pakistan in the future,the Nasr phenomenon is a scary and demotivating one.
An average officer/soldier of the advancing Indian military is facing the hardship of a battlefield.He is fighting the enemy (read Pakistan) will all his valour and fortitude.All his energies are being consumed already.
As he has been indoctrinated ever since his childhood,he believes that Pakistanis are crazy,evil and mentally challenged,so anything can be expected of them.
Given all that in his mind,how will he be able to overcome the psycological pressure and fear of being nuked,bring burned to a painful death ! Because when he's fighting on the border,he knows that the devil,the Nasr is coming anytime,any second.It's coming !
....
It's another thing to fight a war with bullets and tanks,you have hope.Hope for survival,hope of victory.Hope of all the good things which might come after the victory.
But what can you say about the motivation levels and psycological condition of entire divs,fighting the war with the fear of being nuked to death any second.
I say the Nasr has already won.The Nasr has given victory to life on both sides of the border.None wants to face it,none wants to use it.
And that's why our nukes strangest of all,they guarentee peace instead of war.They guarentee life instead of death.

Given that NASR is a nuclear weapon and nuclear weapon brings death and can be used anywhere, why would it be demotivating factor? Soldiers both sides know, both countries are nuclear, and these weapons can be used first by Pakistan only..Hence any small whisper of NASR being used can bring devastated reply from India. hence its more physiological battle for Pakistani soldiers as they would pray always that their generals have sane mind and they restrain from using NASR else whole Pakistan will be back to stone age so India to some extent.

 

[tested]

The most frustrating thing for advancing IA will be the use of nuclear shells fired from PA tanks main guns. That will leave a big scar on the morale. Molten bodies burnt by nuclear weapons is not a pretty sight. IA Cold start doctrine will only be sacrificing soldiers to a nuclear death.
So nuclear weapons will be used but its still not a nuclear war, its a conventional war and the use of nuclear weapons is such that it wont even give an excuse to indians to use nuclear BM's. Nasr comes in later maybe at threatened sectors.

Talking about nuclear war, with the talk of nasr, between the lines Pakistan has threatened India that a nuclear war will eventually start if Indian troops cross the border. So now the ball is in India's court.

Depleted Uranium rounds are pretty standard now.
What's next, you will say that Pakistanis fighting with knives against an advancing Indian force will leave a big scar on the morale.

Its a military, its trained to fight against what you(Pakistan) have. It is equipped to handle what Pakistan can throw and come out victorious. Its the same Military(India) that has defeated Pakistan Military in the past.

 

[Immanuel]

The most frustrating thing for advancing IA will be the use of nuclear shells fired from PA tanks main guns. That will leave a big scar on the morale. Molten bodies burnt by nuclear weapons is not a pretty sight. IA Cold start doctrine will only be sacrificing soldiers to a nuclear death.
So nuclear weapons will be used but its still not a nuclear war, its a conventional war and the use of nuclear weapons is such that it wont even give an excuse to indians to use nuclear BM's. Nasr comes in later maybe at threatened sectors.

Talking about nuclear war, with the talk of nasr, between the lines Pakistan has threatened India that a nuclear war will eventually start if Indian troops cross the border. So now the ball is in India's court.

ahahah, your tanks don't stand a chance against the CBU-105SFW being deployed on IAF's Jaguars. You're a real dumbass, any use of nukes on the battlefield will result in complete destruction of Pak, this is clarified already a couple of years ago when NASR came into the lime light. This only give India more power since if war starts, India will use it conventional might while keeping its nukes ready. Having NASR doesn't stop India from going to war in a conventional way. Also S-400, Barak-NG, Spyder, AAD/PAD will make NASR redundant.

 

[Pindi Boy]

You do not have that cream made in pakistan. You have to use the indian medicine name to troll and you guys think that your 60 km range NASR will be a nightmare for India.

ye lo sahb ji ye wideshi hai aram aye ga aapko

You do not have that cream made in pakistan. You have to use the indian medicine name to troll and you guys think that your 60 km range NASR will be a nightmare for India.

ye lo sahb ji ye wideshi hai aram aye ga aapko

You do not have that cream made in pakistan. You have to use the indian medicine name to troll and you guys think that your 60 km range NASR will be a nightmare for India.

ye lo sahb ji ye wideshi hai aram aye ga aapko

 

[Abingdonboy]

Ok guys,we are all talking a bit too much about Nasr lately.
IMO,Nasr is doing it's job very well as a minimum credicble dett. thingy but if I think of Nasr from the perspective of the Indian soldiers and officers who may be demanded to lauch on an offensive on Pakistan in the future,the Nasr phenomenon is a scary and demotivating one.
An average officer/soldier of the advancing Indian military is facing the hardship of a battlefield.He is fighting the enemy (read Pakistan) will all his valour and fortitude.All his energies are being consumed already.
As he has been indoctrinated ever since his childhood,he believes that Pakistanis are crazy,evil and mentally challenged,so anything can be expected of them.
Given all that in his mind,how will he be able to overcome the psycological pressure and fear of being nuked,bring burned to a painful death ! Because when he's fighting on the border,he knows that the devil,the Nasr is coming anytime,any second.It's coming !
....
It's another thing to fight a war with bullets and tanks,you have hope.Hope for survival,hope of victory.Hope of all the good things which might come after the victory.
But what can you say about the motivation levels and psycological condition of entire divs,fighting the war with the fear of being nuked to death any second.
I say the Nasr has already won.The Nasr has given victory to life on both sides of the border.None wants to face it,none wants to use it.
And that's why our nukes strangest of all,they guarentee peace instead of war.They guarentee life instead of death.

Well done, you effectively described the challenge every soldier in histroy has faced- facing their own morality for objectives bigger than themselves.

If you think the threat of one particular weapon is going to stick out in the minds of proffesional soldiers you are ignorant to military history. The soldiers wll be concentrating on securing their objectives, fixating on the micro level they do not have time to ponder macro level issues.

 

[ghauri05]

India had similar missile's with twice range of Nashr and have Effectiveness's and Technical parity over Pakistan in terms of satellite surveillance Which will track your ground movements hours before actual deploying.

What made you think we will invade you without preparedness

It's stupidity to underestimate Enemy which conventionally and operationally stronger than you is very huge statergic error it will cost heavy in war scenario's

My friend ,if Pak has underestimated India,there would have been no Nasr...
And we also have a variety of missiles...with different ranges..Nasr is the shortest range....
As far preparedness is concerned, no one is unprepared for a War in Pak-India Scenario...Both are ready for it in their respective capacities
The thing is I answered your question that it won't be used in Pak...It willl be used on Indian army in India...that's it

the problem is the brahomos is very potent, its going to be one of the biggest deciding factors, theres not a single system we have to counteract it. they'll be launching them like fire crackers on pak's defences, and we don't have any countermeasures.


you havent put any thought into this post do you think the IA are brain dead zombies from the walking dead they'll advance in masses, the whole idea of cold start is multiple small units attacking in multiple directions, the NASR will be ineffective, this isn't WW1 trench warfare were dealing with.

My dear friend...Do you seriously think that Pak will deploy only 1 Nasr missile along it's border...It is meant to counter your so called CSD...So it will be deployed along the entire border in all directions....(from which IA plans to launch an attack)..SO the so called masses of IA will present a scene of Merciless Massacre by Nasr...Bcoz the only purpose of Nasr is to Counter your so called massive movement!!!!!

 

[American Pakistani]

Most bizarre a statergy I ever heard
Will Pakistan military will take opinion of all Pakistani people before going suicidal

What gives Pakistan army right to to threat Pakistan existance on some bloody egoistic issue like Kashmir this why Jinnah asked for separate nation so one day you will become suicidal

It's not only army. Mentally the people are ready for it. You can ask most Pakistanis and you will get the answer.

For you it is egoistic not for Pakistan.

 

[Signalian]

Depleted Uranium rounds are pretty standard now.
What's next, you will say that Pakistanis fighting with knives against an advancing Indian force will leave a big scar on the morale.

Its a military, its trained to fight against what you(Pakistan) have. It is equipped to handle what Pakistan can throw and come out victorious. Its the same Military(India) that has defeated Pakistan Military in the past.

Considering the nuke rounds that I mentioned as DU rounds is your own assumption. The nuke rounds were mentioned along with use of Nasr and DU was not mentioned.

As far as IA handling PA is concerned, let that be sorted out in the battlefield, If IA actually happens to cross the border instead of retreating like the last time

ahahah, your tanks don't stand a chance against the CBU-105SFW being deployed on IAF's Jaguars. You're a real dumbass, any use of nukes on the battlefield will result in complete destruction of Pak, this is clarified already a couple of years ago when NASR came into the lime light. This only give India more power since if war starts, India will use it conventional might while keeping its nukes ready. Having NASR doesn't stop India from going to war in a conventional way. Also S-400, Barak-NG, Spyder, AAD/PAD will make NASR redundant.

On the contrary, IAF Jaguars don't stand a chance against mobile SAMs of PA.

Your perception lacks the ability to judge the sense of nuke use. No country deploys nukes to harm itself. In your dreams India can have as much power as you want, reality is quite different.

The use of Nasr is what's keeping India at bay otherwise whats stopping India from attacking pakistan through cold start at this very minute ? India has conventionally a larger force but knows that troops will get toasted as soon as they are deployed on border before the attack even begins.
On paper yes, S400 can counter any flying object but in a war operation lots more depends on other factors of deployment, availibility, target priority, time limitations etc.

 

[Defender@@]

Well, S-400 will be deployed in formations that it will create a no fly zone in Pak when needed, most of your aircraft, cruise missiles and Nasr will be shot down in your own territory during war-time. Let alone, once you get closer to the border, there will be plenty of Akash, Spyder and Barak-SAMs. In conventional terms Nasr is no match for the Pinaka which has a similar range 40-60 km and we can fire 12 missiles from a launcher in under 50 seconds, a battery has 6 such launchers and able to deploy 72 missiles towards any target, together they can neutralize an area of roughly 3.9 sq km. We just ordered another 6 regiments of this puppy. We are also ramping up production to over 5000 missiles a year.

Together with Brahmos which has no counter and over 4 regiments ordered, there is plenty of conventional power that India can deploy that Pak can't defend itself against, your ground troops will be massacred, there are no defenses that can withstand the onslaught of 1-2 Strike corps and 3-4 Pivot corps.

Over the last many wars, your folk couldn't really do much, you got your *** handed out to you during all wars. You did have the advantage that comes from starting a war but quite quickly you were taught a lesson.

NASR is a shitty weapon that has no advantage on the battlefield, most of them will be shot down by the S-400 and if Pak is stupid enough to bring nukes well then its goodbye neighbor. India will still launch its nukes on a strategic strike. Its quite simple really, bring nukes to the table and all gloves are off, the retaliation will be massive and completely punitive. All the while the S-400 along with PAD/AAD (being deployed in key cities now) will counter all missiles fired at us since the volumes being ordered allow for us to expense multiple counters for every missile being fired.

Hahaha try

 

[Erroroverload]

and not stupid nasr

That is what irritating you the most and this is good for us.

 

[chhota bheem]

That is what irritating you the most and this is good for us.

Dude either you are stupid or being dumb,dint you understand the purpose of nasr.

 

[wiseone2]

Considering the nuke rounds that I mentioned as DU rounds is your own assumption. The nuke rounds were mentioned along with use of Nasr and DU was not mentioned.

As far as IA handling PA is concerned, let that be sorted out in the battlefield, If IA actually happens to cross the border instead of retreating like the last time



On the contrary, IAF Jaguars don't stand a chance against mobile SAMs of PA.

Your perception lacks the ability to judge the sense of nuke use. No country deploys nukes to harm itself. In your dreams India can have as much power as you want, reality is quite different.

The use of Nasr is what's keeping India at bay otherwise whats stopping India from attacking pakistan through cold start at this very minute ? India has conventionally a larger force but knows that troops will get toasted as soon as they are deployed on border before the attack even begins.
On paper yes, S400 can counter any flying object but in a war operation lots more depends on other factors of deployment, availibility, target priority, time limitations etc.

Nasr was deployed two or three years ago. What prevented India-Pakistan war before that ?

 

[Signalian]

Nasr was deployed two or three years ago. What prevented India-Pakistan war before that ?

Nasr is in response to cold start doctrine which also came into existence a few years back.