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Why Muslims and British did not ban caste system?

It is a guess that the genealogy of Ali r.a. is probably most significant now as he was the closest male relative or may be from his uncle Hamza r.a



If any of the descendants of Mola Ali A.s or anyone esle for that matter detracks and try to fabricate the Quranic injunctions and Prophetic Sunnah conveyed to us through the Imams of Ahly Bayt A.s and other obedient servants of Allah swt in a codified form not some dream or vision for the sake of invoking racial , ethnic, financial, social or any sort of superiority then my friend he should be ready to face the music and will be treated like an ordinary joe out there in the streets. Thats the Law of Allah swt coz its the pride which begets all forms of superiority complexes and you cannot serve Allah Swt with a littlest iota of pride in your heart



The message of peace is universal and inclusive so if anyone associates merit and their corrupted interpretation of genealogy with The Covenant then he's doing a disservice to The concept of Toheed by repelling people from The Lord which is the ultimate Just and Merciful.



You cannot pick a prophet or a saint and turn into a Devine being completely disconnecting him from the Ultimate reality which is Towheed in the name of Adab.



Now plz do tell me about your opinion about priests from Syed background who kinda like it when people bow down to them or gets annoyed when you question their acts in the light of the Scriptures and Prophetic Sunnah. Which imam of Ahly Bayt A.s asked people to prostrate and kiss his feet?



Now what if someone scolds a middle-aged guy into giving seat to a teenager coz he happens to be a syed . Is this adab or following a pagan practice of obliging the progeny of "gods"?
 
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Caste reflects 80% of your personality hence can never be neglected!!!

Everything else is useless and stupidity. I personally don't like caste system but you can neglect it's importance!!!!
 
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Apart from Gaddafi, no country's leader has ever made all the UN P5 want to kill him. When the war came, he couldn't find a veto. They were all affirmative votes.

Incorrect. Russia presented satellite imagery to the Western members of the P5 and proved that what the Western governments were saying about "Oh, he is killing civilian protesters including women and children" is total fabrication by those same Western governments. I don't remember China's role but it must have been treacherous.

Is there anything to boast about such a fool?

You call him a fool but he was a wise man. He and his comrades devised a new political theory which can be applied anywhere and will lead towards true Communist society. You call him a fool but you should watch this speech of his in the UN General Assembly in 2009. A marvelous speech. It is slightly more than 1.5 hours long but you should watch. And read the comments section.

His devised political theory was adopted by the very respectable Hugo Chavez for Venezuela. Why didn't Chavez adopt the Chinese "Socialism with Chinese characteristics" ? Elon Musk too wants direct democracy for Mars settlements. I am sure he can be coaxed to consider the Libyan direct democracy system.

You say CCP communism is not as good as Gaddafi communism. But CCP has increased Chinese income 40 times in 40 years, and Gaddafi has plunged an oil country into extreme poverty. CCP completely eliminated the poor people(Annual income less than $400),

Where did you get the idea that Libyans lived in extreme poverty ?

and Gaddafi made millions of Libyans refugees.

What !

Caste reflects 80% of your personality

Caste is tribalism and sometimes enables oppression. It should be eliminated. But what do you mean ?
 
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Personal belief backed by evidence. For example, Swastika was not original symbol of the Kshatriya Sharif Deva. The symbol belonged to the Brahman Aryans. In Ramayan they use Swastika for a completely different meaning, as an eulogy rather than the Aryan meaning of good luck.
Swastika is a symbol has been used to denote multiple aspects in Hinduism - The Sun, good luck, four vedas, four yugas, etc. I'm not sure about Ramayan reference(source would be good) but even if true doesn't prove anything about Sumerian origins.
https://www.hinduamerican.org/blog/10-things-you-need-to-know-about-the-swastika/
 
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Incorrect. Russia presented satellite imagery to the Western members of the P5 and proved that what the Western governments were saying about "Oh, he is killing civilian protesters including women and children" is total fabrication by those same Western governments. I don't remember China's role but it must have been treacherous.



You call him a fool but he was a wise man. He and his comrades devised a new political theory which can be applied anywhere and will lead towards true Communist society. You call him a fool but you should watch this speech of his in the UN General Assembly in 2009. A marvelous speech. It is slightly more than 1.5 hours long but you should watch. And read the comments section.

His devised political theory was adopted by the very respectable Hugo Chavez for Venezuela. Why didn't Chavez adopt the Chinese "Socialism with Chinese characteristics" ? Elon Musk too wants direct democracy for Mars settlements. I am sure he can be coaxed to look at the Libyan direct democracy system.



Where did you get the idea that Libyans lived in extreme poverty ?



What !



Caste is tribalism and sometimes enables oppression. It should be eliminated. But what do you mean ?

Let me tell you what Gaddafi did:

1, China: Gaddafi supported Taiwan and met with Taiwan leader Chen Shui Bian.
2, USA: Require oil transactions to be settled in euros and abandon dollars.
3, France: Formation of the African Development Bank, and wanted to seize France's Coinage right in West African countries.
4, Britainn: Lockerbie air crash, telephone threat to the British Prime Minister.
5, Russia: Gaddafi betrayed Russia and introduced western power into Libya (Russia abstained).


His political ability is so naive and arrogant (for example, courting US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice). Isn't this a fool?
 
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1, China: Gaddafi supported Taiwan and met with Taiwan leader Chen Shui Bian.

I looked up this leader. He was president between 2000 and 2008 but Gaddafi took a sympathetic view of China in 2010 as through this essay :
06.03.2010 - I dealt with the problem of the Ukraine in view of its impact on international peace. It is for the same reason that I deal with the problem of China and America.

Mine is a small country that is concerned for international peace, therefore I try to the extent possible to make a contribution to the maintenance of international peace and security.

A direct confrontation between major powers is harmful to all. However, regardless of the efforts of peace-loving leaders, the Sino-American problem cannot be solved.

I find it very alarming to have to say to the world that the Sino-American problem does not lend itself to mediation or solution. It is an inevitable and unavoidable problem. All that is happening now is the preparation for direct confrontation or attempts to postpone it. But it is unavoidable. America would like it to be an indirect confrontation. China would like to postpone it as much as possible.

However, it is in the nature of things for the two sides to find themselves moving inexorably towards confrontation. However, the current rapprochements and the occasional skirmishes are simple tactics to postpone confrontation, gain time or move towards indirect confrontation as preferred by America. The world and peace-loving leaders must not be hoodwinked by the side shows and maneuvers such as trade and customs disputes, market dumping and the pressures on China to increase consumption or to raise the exchange rate of its currency or attempts to use environmental degradation as a pretext to slow down China’s progress.

The fact is China is a very dangerous world competitor. It is much more dangerous to the US than the USSR used to be in the past. The USSR depended on ideology to defeat America politically. In addition, it depended on its arsenal of weapons of mass destruction. Ideology is a philosophical matter and a matter of faith. It depends on its adherents. The moment the leadership changed in the erstwhile “leftist” countries, the policies shifted from left to right. Even some of the leftists themselves moved to the right.

China is a different kind of competitor. It is a rising economic power and America is unable to stop it. It has an unprecedented human wealth. In addition, it is a nuclear-weapon state and a permanent member of the Security Council. Everywhere in the world, China is making economic, human and political inroads. Unlike America which unwisely has chosen the harsh military approach, China is making those inroads using soft power. America continues its brazen interference in the internal affairs of states in the name of democracy and human rights. Africom is a case in point. Such interference is no longer acceptable. America itself is condemned in the field of human rights. It makes a habit of taking losers as allies.

Those who do not know the facts believe that the current crisis of the arms deal with Taiwan is a passing crisis. Nothing could be farther from reality. America is aware of the danger China poses. It knows that the next international confrontation will be with China. The new pssolicy adopted by America is one of creating regional deterrents to China in order to make their confrontation an indirect one. The strategic US policy aims at keeping China busy with those regional deterrents so as to avert a direct confrontation with China.

Those deterrents are India, Indonesia, the Philippines, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and maybe Viet Nam as well!! The most important among them are Taiwan, India and Japan. America’s objective is to keep China busy with those regional deterrents so as to avert a direct confrontation with it. It is a well-known fact that the US used China in the past as a regional deterrent against the USSR when Maoism broke away from Soviet Marxism-Leninism. Pitting Russia and China against each other was America’s biggest gain. America wishes to see that kind of gain continue in the future. It is the strategic equivalent of having a Euro-American confrontation. That would be a major gain for Russia and China. Therefore, America will not cease to arm Taiwan against China, nor will it cease to support India against China.

In accordance with the policy of creating regional deterrents against China, it is in America’s interest to see Japan become a major military power. This is happening now. The limitations placed on Japan after World War II no longer serve the interests of America in the face of the real danger or in its unavoidable confrontation with the Yellow Giant.


2, USA: Require oil transactions to be settled in euros and abandon dollars.

What's wrong with that ? In fact Gaddafi was in the works to bring out the Gold Dinar currency that would be proposed to be used by all Muslim-majority and African countries. This would have cut out some American economic dominance and was thus one of the reasons for the 2011 invasion.

3, France: Formation of the African Development Bank, and wanted to seize France's Coinage right in West African countries.

Again, what's wrong with that ?

4, Britainn: Lockerbie air crash

Please read this page.

telephone threat to the British Prime Minister.

Really ?

5, Russia: Gaddafi betrayed Russia and introduced western power into Libya (Russia abstained).

1. If Russia felt betrayed by Libya then why did Russia help Libya in the UNSC in early 2011 ?

2. Gaddafi's oldest son Saif al Islam was the one who recognized during the war in 2011 that he did wrong things like push for Libyan engagement with Western governments who sent their emissary in form of Tony Bliar to Libya and asked for criminals like Abdulhakim Belhaj to be released from Libyan jails. Yes, Gaddafi was naive to believe in the words of Bliar and co.

3. Russia abstained from what ?
 
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I looked up this leader. He was president between 2000 and 2008 but Gaddafi took a sympathetic view of China in 2010 as through this essay :





What's wrong with that ? In fact Gaddafi was in the works to bring out the Gold Dinar currency that would be proposed to be used by all Muslim-majority and African countries. This would have cut out some American economic dominance and was thus one of the reasons for the 2011 invasion.



Again, what's wrong with that ?



Please read this page.



Really ?



1. If Russia felt betrayed by Libya then why did Russia help Libya in the UNSC in early 2011 ?

2. Gaddafi's oldest son Saif al Islam was the one who recognized during the war in 2011 that he did wrong things like push for Libyan engagement with Western governments who sent their emissary in form of Tony Bliar to Libya and asked for criminals like Abdulhakim Belhaj to be released from Libyan jails. Yes, Gaddafi was naive to believe in the words of Bliar and co.

3. Russia abstained from what ?

Gaddafi stepped on China's bottom line.
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Petrodollars and West African banks are also the bottom line of the United States and France.
You think the Lockerbie crash is a small thing? Is it a small thing to threaten the British Prime Minister with terrorism?
As for Russia, you can ask Putin why he doesn't use the veto.
 
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Gaddafi stepped on China's bottom line.
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1. The meeting is from 2006 and the essay I posted that presented Gaddafi to be sympathetic to China is from 2010.

2. That's his son who - as I have said - admitted to making mistakes by getting Libya to engage more with the Western camp.

Petrodollars and West African banks are also the bottom line of the United States and France.

OK but why are you supporting USA and France ?

You think the Lockerbie crash is a small thing?

It is clearly not known who did the plane bombing. It must have been a faction in Libyan intelligence who did it without getting authority from Gaddafi and other Libyan leaders or it might have been somebody else entirely. Please read that link since you are presenting that Libya did it.

Is it a small thing to threaten the British Prime Minister with terrorism?

You did not tell me when this happened.

As for Russia, you can ask Putin why he doesn't use the veto.

I believe Putin recognized his mistake of not involving Russia in Libya militarily against NATO+GCC+transnational criminals and that is why Russia is supporting Syria.
 
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1. The meeting is from 2006 and the essay I posted that presented Gaddafi to be sympathetic to China is from 2010.

2. That's his son who - as I have said - admitted to making mistakes by getting Libya to engage more with the Western camp.



OK but why are you supporting USA and France ?



It is clearly not known who did the plane bombing. It must have been a faction in Libyan intelligence who did it without getting authority from Gaddafi and other Libyan leaders or it might have been somebody else entirely. Please read that link since you are presenting that Libya did it.



You did not tell me when this happened.



I believe Putin recognized his mistake of not involving Russia in Libya militarily against NATO+GCC+transnational criminals and that is why Russia is supporting Syria.

Gaddafi's support for Taiwan is not just his visit in 2006. Gaddafi graduated from Taiwan's anti Communist training class. He supported Taiwan very early.
Moreover, Gaddafi also took a Chinese word Manual of nuclear weapons and handed it to the UNSC. He used the bogus manual to slander China's proliferation of nuclear weapons technology.

Gaddafi threatened the British Prime Minister by phone when Britain retaliated against air strikes on Libya.

In 2009, at the United Nations General Assembly, Gaddafi revile that the UN was a place for talk nonsense. He point to P5 presidium to swear, and threw away the UN Charter.

 
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Both left the caste system completely untouched, and it remains as it was before Islamic invasions began.

The invaders were able to ban so many things like Sati, temple prostitution, breast tax, etc. then why not caste system?

Did the Muslim/British rulers think there would be revolt if the ones at the top of the hierarchy lost all their privileges?

It's a pity that more than a billion Indians lost their only chance to break free of their lowly caste status.
Divide and conquer. Since they have done the division for you, why do you want to revert it?
 
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you cannot identify the caste from just the
When they will know the name of caste, will they discriminate each other?If they do,then problem is there.

Here in Pakistani punjab, discrimination is almost zero.All Rana,Rajputs,Sandhus,Bajwas,janjuas,Gujjars, Araen, Sheikhs etc.are literally equal no religious or caste discrimination.I don't know about other provinces.Pathans are also here.But they can't speak pushto .they speak Punjabi,fair skin as pukhtoons of KPK, Balochs are also here ( my friend is baloch) but they also can't speak Balochi.I don't know why ( @Sainthood 101 @ziaulislam do you know why pathans of punjab can't speak pushto) but they also face no discrimination.
 
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Gaddafi's support for Taiwan is not just his visit in 2006. Gaddafi graduated from Taiwan's anti Communist training class. He supported Taiwan very early.

Moreover, Gaddafi also took a Chinese word Manual of nuclear weapons and handed it to the UNSC. He used the bogus manual to slander China's proliferation of nuclear weapons technology.

1. When was this training ?

2. Where can I read more about the manual ?

3. Even if what you say is true, all that was in the past. Read his 2010 essay I posted where he is being sympathetic to China.

4. You accuse Gaddafi of being anti-Communist but how is Chinese a Communist country in the first place ? This I have asked you before.

Gaddafi threatened the British Prime Minister by phone when Britain retaliated against air strikes on Libya.

When Britain retaliated against air strikes on Libya ? I didn't understand. Please elaborate.

In 2009, at the United Nations General Assembly, Gaddafi revile that the UN was a place for talk nonsense.

I know that. It is in the speech I linked which you didn't watch.

He point to P5 presidium to swear, and threw away the UN Charter.


I know that and he did right. The UNSC especially is a medium for Western governments to terrorize the world. Watch the speech.

Again, you continue to dislike Gaddafi despite me posting his essay from 2010 that sympathized with China. What more do you want ?
 
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When they will know the name of caste, will they discriminate each other?If they do,then problem is there.

Here in Pakistani punjab, discrimination is almost zero.All Rana,Rajputs,Sandhus,Bajwas,janjuas,Gujjars, Araen, Sheikhs etc.are literally equal no religious or caste discrimination.I don't know about other provinces.Pathans are also here.But they can't speak pushto .they speak Punjabi,fair skin as pukhtoons of KPK, Balochs are also here ( my friend is baloch) but they also can't speak Balochi.I don't know why ( @Sainthood 101 @ziaulislam do you know why pathans of punjab can't speak pushto) but they also face no discrimination.
cause they have been living in Punjab for decades, some centuries
like if you live in the west, our future generations will only speak English even though they are not the same ethnically
 
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When they will know the name of caste, will they discriminate each other?If they do,then problem is there.
Unfortunately caste based discrimination among poorly educated or rural or old people is still prevalant to a certain extent. Even urban educated folks at times have an unconcious bias.
For example, when we were seeking to hire a maid for cooking, my educated grandmother wanted to know if she is not from a lower caste.
 
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If any of the descendants of Mola Ali A.s or anyone esle for that matter detracks and try to fabricate the Quranic injunctions and Prophetic Sunnah conveyed to us through the Imams of Ahly Bayt A.s and other obedient servants of Allah swt in a codified form not some dream or vision for the sake of invoking racial , ethnic, financial, social or any sort of superiority then my friend he should be ready to face the music and will be treated like an ordinary joe out there in the streets. Thats the Law of Allah swt coz its the pride which begets all forms of superiority complexes and you cannot serve Allah Swt with a littlest iota of pride in your heart



The message of peace is universal and inclusive so if anyone associates merit and their corrupted interpretation of genealogy with The Covenant then he's doing a disservice to The concept of Toheed by repelling people from The Lord which is the ultimate Just and Merciful.



You cannot pick a prophet or a saint and turn into a Devine being completely disconnecting him from the Ultimate reality which is Towheed in the name of Adab.



Now plz do tell me about your opinion about priests from Syed background who kinda like it when people bow down to them or gets annoyed when you question their acts in the light of the Scriptures and Prophetic Sunnah. Which imam of Ahly Bayt A.s asked people to prostrate and kiss his feet?



Now what if someone scolds a middle-aged guy into giving seat to a teenager coz he happens to be a syed . Is this adab or following a pagan practice of obliging the progeny of "gods"?
I do not know a Syed who behaves that way. The people you are talking about are probably not blood Syed.
 
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