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Why most of muslims afraid of discussing their religion? ?

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I just want to ask a legal question.

I have never found a Hindu , Christian or jew who afraid of discussing their faith.

I discussed with many of them as i was researching on religions.

Yes... many of them don't have actual knowledge of their own faith but they got never offended but discussed whatever they knew.

But once i was trying to research on Islam and i went to mosques , met many mullahs and scholars. Some of them refused to discuss and told me to read the Quran first. I told them i have already read Quran three time very deeply. Thats why im here bcz it raised many questions in my minds. So i want to discuss it .

They had given me time but never met again on that time.
Then i tried online but onliner muslims gets offended easily and started abusing and run away from discussion.

The best example of my legal question is here on PDF.
PDF itself has banned discussing Islam.
So why Muslims afraid of discussing their faith??
Does muslims afraid of criticism of their religion or fear of Allah raising questions ??
Any idea....?
you will get booted from pdf just like the guy got booted from dubai.

Most of the major religions today have ppl who are not serious practitioners. They are nearly atheists but indulge in religion once in a while. The days of religion being corner stone of life is over. As such most ppl even would not know much about their own religion. Religion instead simply is bunch of practices that are followed which suit them according to modern day living.

I would advice you not to bang your head against wall.
 
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Never discuss religion or politics with anyone unless you share same opinions , thoughts and beliefs as others did otherwise get ready for confrontaion, conflicts and heated debate because few people know how to debate about conteroversial topic or topics they feel very strongly about in polite manners . Honest and serious discussion about religion can clear misunderstanding and could start breaking down some stereotypes but some people just start acting as if they know everything about religion of others and they are not serious in discussion but just want to impose their interpretation on others
 
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People he does not have any questions. We are not here for physiological analysis by showing Pictures and describing them.

He is just being an Indian, Sanghi, Gangadeshi, RSS troll with specific task. Have no good intentions.

Now I shall give reference to my very first post in this thread,

No Muslim is afraid of discussing Islam. Its the behaviour of the other person who does not come for knowledge or understanding of Islam but bring useless nonsensical attitude which most of the time leads to an unpleasent end.

Asking questions, wanting to know is different then trying to debate and prove right and wrong your own views.

if trolls do not make it a mess, we cal always have constructive discussion to understand each other POV.



can i refer to Mr. Owaisi in India,

You already started to sound like 200 verses collected to prove your own POV, not to understand anything.
What your own research taught you about those verses,
as you claimed you read Quran so many times and i assume some other books too.

You opened a thread, just through a question / verse Mods will decide based on your behaviour, if to close it or allow.

This thread should be closed now @waz because OP has shown his true colours and for behaving like this and trolling religion must be banned.

Now, I have reported this thread and OPs behaviors. We gave him fair chance but he knew his intentions since beginning, hence he was running around the bush.

All the Mosques and religious scholars he tried to talk and no one entertain him were very knowledgeable and by hearing his voice and looking at his face knew what really he is.
 
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People he does not have any questions. We are not here for physiological analysis by showing Pictures and describing them.

He is just being an Indian, Sanghi, Gangadeshi, RSS troll with specific task. Have no good intentions.

Now I shall give reference to my very first post in this thread,



This thread should be closed now @waz because OP has shown his true colours and for behaving like this and trolling religion must be banned.

Now, I have reported this thread and OPs behaviors. We gave him fair chance but he knew his intentions since beginning, hence he was running around the bush.

All the Mosques and religious scholars he tried to talk and no one entertain him were very knowledgeable and by hearing his voice and looking at his face knew what really he is.
You are not admin to set the rule here on PDF. I requested to mods open the debate , then i will create another thread with loads of Questions.
Read the thread i have already asked a question, first reply me of that question.
 
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Note:- this is not a religious thread.

I just want to ask a legal question.

I have never found a Hindu , Christian or jew who afraid of discussing their faith.

I discussed with many of them as i was researching on religions.

Yes... many of them don't have actual knowledge of their own faith but they got never offended but discussed whatever they knew.

But once i was trying to research on Islam and i went to mosques , met many mullahs and scholars. Some of them refused to discuss and told me to read the Quran first. I told them i have already read Quran three time very deeply. Thats why im here bcz it raised many questions in my minds. So i want to discuss it .

They had given me time but never met again on that time.
Then i tried online but onliner muslims gets offended easily and started abusing and run away from discussion.

The best example of my legal question is here on PDF.
PDF itself has banned discussing Islam.
So why Muslims afraid of discussing their faith??
Does muslims afraid of criticism of their religion or fear of Allah raising questions ??
Any idea....?
What is there to discuss?

Islam is something you submit to and follow.

Do you discuss the Indian Penal Code with your friends?
And Deen is much much bigger. Only scholars ulemas can discuss.

Yes.. i agree..
Muslims discuss their religion more than anyone but only within their community.
They dont discuss much with non muslims scholars.
Obviously. Because non Muslims doubt the finality of our message. Which we will never accept. Don't like it? Bigger off please.

I said please.

Which God? and what is Hinduism? define Hinduism or i can say (Group of religion of many believes combine and named Hinduism divert from Indus or Indu Nadi) There is no religion called Hinduism 1000 years before please prove your claim with reference. I only know Vedic religion or Sanātana dharma. Where is Hinduism even 400 years back?. Plus which God you are referring as one God and Only God please give me reference as i did earlier)
It's all bogus pagan crap.
When a book is written and set in concrete, over a period of time things change.

For good or bad Muslims still follow the book word to word.

What may be acceptable in the past may not be acceptable today and this will lead to a lot of ridicule.

Hence it is better to avoid any and all discussions. Just accept what is in the book as always correct.
 
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What is there to discuss?

Islam is something you submit to and follow.

Do you discuss the Indian Penal Code with your friends?
And Deen is much much bigger. Only scholars ulemas can discuss.


Obviously. Because non Muslims doubt the finality of our message. Which we will never accept. Don't like it? Bigger off please.

I said please.
There is no doubt. The book is open to read for all.
This is what most of Muslims believe like you said that there is no discussion needed . Islam is the only truth and Allah's massage.

That's not a question, that's you trying to bait us so you can win an argument.

Also, they both look stupid.



We don't follow the same path, otherwise they wouldn't be considered wrong in our eyes.

???

Where the hell does that 2nd part come in? You're clutching at straws here.



Idiot, YOU are manipulating Quranic ideology.

Both pics are not Muslims, and even if any of them were, it makes no difference. What the heck do those pictures show reveal about ANY religion? They just show how these two people are very different in how they preach, with one being more harsh and the other being more gentle.

No, those verses are not "copied" from the Talmud, the concept of "taking one life is as if you've killed all of mankind" has been around for a long time, the Quran just used it to beautifully explain how big of a sin it is to kill an innocent person.

Also, Jews were a major community in Arabia. Obviously the Quran would use phrases already similar to their own, it helps make it easier for them to embrace the religion since it makes it feel less alien to them, and more familiar.

Oh and we also believe that Allah (The Most Gracious and The Most Merciful) sent down scripture to previous people, including the Christians and the Jews. Anything the Quran has that the Jews/Christians used to have can simply be declared as part of that scripture before it was corrupted by later transgressors.



As per Islam, all people were given a scripture akin to Islam, but they corrupted it over time. We believe the very first people were monotheists.

Therefore, by saying stuff such as this, you only prove our claims. Checkmate.
Tell me about Jennah and jahnoom concept according to Islam. Who will enter in Jennah according to Quranic ideology?
 
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Tell me about Jennah and jahnoom concept according to Islam. Who will enter in Jennah according to Quranic ideology?

All Muslims get there eventually, but bad Muslims have to burn in hell for a bit first.

Non-Muslims only get admittance if they were unaware/ignorant about Islam for a reason that is no fault of their own (e.g born deaf, dumb and blind, in between different prophets, etc). Non-Muslims who get admittance don't have to go to hell first.

As for the others, they go to hell for eternity. If they've done a lot of good deeds, hell can burn and hurt less, but that's it.

The purpose of hell is to act as a deterrent so you have a motivation to actually be a good Muslim/person.
 
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Which God? and what is Hinduism? define Hinduism or i can say (Group of religion of many believes combine and named Hinduism divert from Indus or Indu Nadi) There is no religion called Hinduism 1000 years before please prove your claim with reference. I only know Vedic religion or Sanātana dharma. Where is Hinduism even 400 years back?. Plus which God you are referring as one God and Only God please give me reference as i did earlier)
Im not discussing name or periods. Im discussing ideology.
Here im quoting the verse from Chandogya Upnishad 6:2:1
'Ekam evadvitiyam"
'GOD is the only without a second ".

Even bible has one God concept. Islam has no copy right of one God. One God had been sold long before Quran appeared.

All Muslims get there eventually, but bad Muslims have to burn in hell for a bit first.

Non-Muslims only get admittance if they were unaware/ignorant about Islam for a reason that is no fault of their own (e.g born deaf, dumb and blind, in between different prophets, etc). Non-Muslims who get admittance don't have to go to hell first.

As for the others, they go to hell for eternity. If they've done a lot of good deeds, hell can burn and hurt less, but that's it.

The purpose of hell is to act as a deterrent so you have a motivation to actually be a good Muslim/person.
So non Muslims can go to Jennaha??
According to Quran, not according you.
 
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I have long gone through this phase. You CANNOT fight against established religions. Have read the works of Ibn Warraq, Ali Sina etc and well understood the threat radical Islam is, to the world. The hard coded ideologies and a majority of it's believers who are totally intolerant to other religions and very adherent to religious code. But, do you know what? No religious people can 100% practice their religious teachings in this 21st century. Westernization dilutes every religion and societies are progressing. In fact, how can a society live primitive, given you are shown the resources? Internet, liberal views are reaching them.
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You can get all excited reading voice of dharma, RSS/Sangh sakha classes against the threat of Islam, Christianity and Communism. At the end, even if you prove them all wrong, most of the disciples are not going to accept that. It's not like a mathematical problem with a final solution. No solution at all. Human nature. For example, if I tell you the ills of Hinduism and RSS'ism, that will perhaps make you agitated. But, still you will rubbish all my claims and adhere to the principles golwalkar, savarkar, hedgewar, moonje, godse and other terrorists taught. Thus, the right thing to do is to accept that Muslims, Christians and other enemies are going to be here. They are not disappearing. They are also living in India as equal citizen. Let the Sakha brainwashing purged out of the system.

For Sangh bandhus, the best thing to do is - ACCEPTANCE. Even if RSS disappears, still Abrahamic religions and people are going to be there. Accept this fact. You cannot fight against people for being different in religious belief. I know, where you come from. Being taught that Christians, Muslims and Communists as internal threats of "Hindu Rashtra" and the world domination ambition, this all will be too much for a swayamsevak.
 
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I have long gone through this phase. You CANNOT fight against established religions. Have read the works of Ibn Warraq, Ali Sina etc and well understood the threat radical Islam is, to the world. The hard coded ideologies and a majority of it's believers who are totally intolerant to other religions and very adherent to religious code. But, do you know what? No religious people can 100% practice their religious teachings in this 21st century. Westernization dilutes every religion and societies are progressing. In fact, how can a society live primitive, given you are shown the resources? Internet, liberal views are reaching them.
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You can get all excited reading voice of dharma, RSS/Sangh sakha classes against the threat of Islam, Christianity and Communism. At the end, even if you prove them all wrong, most of the disciples are not going to accept that. It's not like a mathematical problem with a final solution. No solution at all. Human nature. For example, if I tell you the ills of Hinduism and RSS'ism, that will perhaps make you agitated. But, still you will rubbish all my claims and adhere to the principles golwalkar, savarkar, hedgewar, moonje, godse and other terrorists taught. Thus, the right thing to do is to accept that Muslims, Christians and other enemies are going to be here. They are not disappearing. They are also living in India as equal citizen. Let the Sakha brainwashing purged out of the system.

For Sangh bandhus, the best thing to do is - ACCEPTANCE. Even if RSS disappears, still Abrahamic religions and people are going to be there. Accept this fact. You cannot fight against people for being different in religious belief. I know, where you come from. Being taught that Christians, Muslims and Communists as internal threats of "Hindu Rashtra" and the world domination ambition, this all will be too much for a swayamsevak.
You are wrong. I never offended by any discussion. I don't care what you preach about Hinduism. Say anything you wish. Im not RSS and sanghi .

I listed them.
You said if a non muslim convert to Islam or believe in Quran the book , only then he /she will enter in Jennah?? Am i right?
 
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Note:- this is not a religious thread.

I just want to ask a legal question.

I have never found a Hindu , Christian or jew who afraid of discussing their faith.

I discussed with many of them as i was researching on religions.

Yes... many of them don't have actual knowledge of their own faith but they got never offended but discussed whatever they knew.

But once i was trying to research on Islam and i went to mosques , met many mullahs and scholars. Some of them refused to discuss and told me to read the Quran first. I told them i have already read Quran three time very deeply. Thats why im here bcz it raised many questions in my minds. So i want to discuss it .

They had given me time but never met again on that time.
Then i tried online but onliner muslims gets offended easily and started abusing and run away from discussion.

The best example of my legal question is here on PDF.
PDF itself has banned discussing Islam.
So why Muslims afraid of discussing their faith??
Does muslims afraid of criticism of their religion or fear of Allah raising questions ??
Any idea....?

Simply because it is belief system. It is not based on reasons but you have to find reasons to justify whatever is said on the name of this religion. The commandment of Allah can not be questioned. You have to defend it howsoever irrational it may be. Do not you see how the killing of Hindus and Indian soldier's killing is celebrated here on PDF?
 
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