Why Kalam Represents India, And Aurangzeb Does Not

[VCheng]

It's off topic, and it'll derail my thread for sure.
My assumption is,since Quran was compliled 10years after PBUH's death so post Quranic Islam should mean Islam which took shape after that period.

That term is part of the OP, so fair game for discussion, and that term may be important to assess the author's views about Islam. Perhaps what is meant by him is "early Islam" compared to what came much later, including the time of Aurangzeb?

 

[Indus Falcon]

I missed this post earlier, though it's an off topic I think I should clear your doubt.
I'm not an airline staff, you might have got than an idea from my thread about tattoos
TATTOO,a reason for rejecting visa in UAE??
I have clearly mentioned that I knew a guy who was not hired by Emirates because he had a tattoo on his shoulder. Do visit my thread and read my posts on that thread. I am assuming this is a case of bad memory.
Regards

A pretty stupid thread as usual from you! Secondly, Not a case of bad memory. A case of "can't keep track of the crap you talk" on your part.
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[airmarshal]

India needs Muslims like Kalam, Salman Khan, Shahrukh Khan, Saif Ail. Muslims in name only.

I mean what Islam you believe in if you have married a Hindu woman!

Aurengzeb was a practising Muslim. I cant criticize him for that. But he is a punching bag for secular Indians or who pose as secular.

Deep down, Indians are Hindus but have enveloped themselves as 'secular'. If one religion in a country like India is propagated, it will bring down the country. Thus this 'secular' label they have chosen for themselves.

Dont go by what Indian authors write or say. India is a very fragile country. It has a systematic system of discrimination built in its class structure. Their religion divides people by which caste they were born in. This is not a point of strenght, its one with disaster and failure written all over it.


Now this post is surely an invitation for troll fest.

 

[Shamain]

...and then what? Follow the ideology that you do? Divide society into 73 mutually fighting sects, chop heads off in the 21st century, hands and feet in public and have the galls to abuse us for having 4 castes!

Plz name all 73 sects that are fighting each other, yes iknow sunis, wahabis, shias name all fighting sects

Ofcourse just 4 castes who centuries back had caused equal carnage as 73 mutually fighting sects and if its not for these 73 sects followers ,the lowest rung caste's suffering wud have continued .not that their suffering has stopped.

Shows the power :thumbsup:

 

[nair]

What troll thread this has turn to ..........No wonder we south asians are in this state......

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

You mean this? Slum Capital of the world?

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Typical Hindu arrogant babbling and hogwash. Get off your high horse and make some logical sense for a change.

You didn't answer point by point, you Ranted, point by point.


1) Sati:
Indian women still commit ritual suicides — RT News

2) Yellow elixir:
Gomutra (Cow Urine) as a Spiritual Healing Remedy

3) Human-Animal marriage & Human-Tree marriage:
The argument that " you have seen in your life, and haven't," doesn't carry any weight!

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Do visit the link for more details:
Indian girl marries a stray dog as part of bizarre tribal ritual to ward off evil spirit | Daily Mail Online

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Film star faces lawsuit after 'marrying' a tree - Telegraph

4) Polyandry
The wife married to FIVE brothers: Rajo, 21, follows a tradition in Indian villages which allows families to hold on to their farmland | Daily Mail Online

5) Kabbala moksham - Breaking coconuts on a dying persons head
In reply to your comment about dead people, Here are people still alive breaking coconuts en-mass on their heads

Indian Priests Smash Coconuts on Devotees' Heads in Bizarre Good Luck Ritual | Oddity Central - Collecting Oddities

Hundreds take part in coconut breaking ritual at Mettumahadanapuram - TAMIL NADU - The Hindu

Priests Crack Coconuts on Devotees' Heads


6) Narabli - human / child sacrifice
SHOCKING: 'Nara bali' of 10-yr-old girl, grandmother slits throat, drinks blood, parents celebrate

7) Necrophagy
Incredible images show life of India's cannibal Aghori tribe | Daily Mail Online

8) Holiest city in India
Varanasi and the Circle of Life | NelsonCarvalheiro.com

9) More weird stuff from India

Women in India host frog wedding for rain invoking ritual | Daily Mail Online

Frogs married in India to break drought - NY Daily News

Villagers voluntarily allow cows to trample on them to bring them good luck (and it must work as nobody has ever been seriously hurt!) | Daily Mail Online

Karnataka: 25,000 people rolled over the "spit" of Brahmins : NATION - India Today

Even Goddesses are Kept Away from Temples During Their Menstrual Cycles in India | Work & Life | iDiva.com

Question is, have Bhartis toilets needs met? world's largest slums converted into places livable for humans? world's largest population living under poverty has been rescued? female infanticide is stopped? dowry -related burning of newly wed brides is addressed? travel advisory pertaining to rampant rape cases is reversed? What difference renaming a road is going to make? any difference? Like I said previously, these Bhartis are a bunch of hypocrite. They ban cow slaughter, gau maata, and leave the mataa jee to forage on roadside garbage. In Bharat, beef (not only of cow) is not allowed by Hindutvawadi Modi and his likes are dying to bed with mataa jee eaters such as US, Europe, Gulf.

@waz

 

[Indus Falcon]

@waz

DO mention your countrymen while you are at it! Those dumb ones who can't differentiate between a garbage dump, and a slum!

 

[Levina]

That term is part of the OP, so fair game for discussion, and that term may be important to assess the author's views about Islam. Perhaps what is meant by him is "early Islam" compared to what came much later, including the time of Aurangzeb?

Ofcourse! It is in the OP of this thread and I do not mind discussing it with someone like you.
You're right,thats is what he meant, just that the timeline would be a little ambiguous as he doesnt define it clearly when he mentions "Post quranic Islam" in the article.

A pretty stupid thread as usual from you! Secondly, Not a case of bad memory. A case of "can't keep track of the crap you talk" on your part.
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Dont mind, but Sir do you understand english???
Read my post again, it says "airline staff are not allowed to have tattoos so I guess the tattoo rule doesnt apply on me as I'm into corporate training". Now this sentence means that I am not an airline staff, I'm a corporate trainer. I'm a civil engg by profession and now I'm into corporate training( oil and gas company). @Shamain you seem to have a decent english could you pls help sir.
Now sir, if you want to know more about my profession, you can discuss it on my profile page rather than derailing my thread. I will not discuss off topics on my thread any more.

Vocabulary - Right, and you use that in everyday communication as well?

yes sire, I do use words like Dilettante, Alexithymia, mugwump etc very often. If you want i can help you with your vocab.

Inferiority complex - har pagal yeah hee kehta hai !!

Sir, pagal ki toh pagal hi jaane...hum kya jaane?

What troll thread this has turn to ..........No wonder we south asians are in this state......

Its okay...ignoring the trolls does help.
Trolls love attention, so lets suffocate them of it.

 

[Armstrong]

Ofcourse! It is in the OP of this thread and I do not mind discussing it with someone like you.
You're right,thats is what he meant, just that the timeline would be a little ambiguous as he doesnt define it clearly when he mentions "Post quranic Islam" in the article.

Dont mind, but Sir do you understand english???
Read my post again, it says "airline staff are not allowed to have tattoos so I guess the tattoo rule doesnt apply on me as I'm into corporate training". Now this sentence means that I am not an airline staff, I'm a corporate trainer. I'm a civil engg by profession and now I'm into corporate training( oil and gas company). @Shamain you seem to have a decent english could you pls help sir.
Now sir, if you want to know more about my profession, you can discuss it on my profile page rather than derailing my thread. I will not discuss off topics on my thread any more.

yes sire, I do use words like Dilettante, Alexithymia, mugwump etc very often. If you want i can help you with your vocab.

Sir, pagal ki toh pagal hi jaane...hum kya jaane?


Its okay...ignoring the trolls helps.
Trolls love attention, so lets suffocate them of it.

Corporate Trainer - Saaaf kiyun nahin kehteiiin keh aaap eik Couch Potato hain who sits in her office day long as a paper pusher !

Abbb tou yeh haaal ho giyaa haii that If someone asks you to tell whether a beam should've been added here or not you look at them incredulously !

 

[VCheng]

Ofcourse! It is in the OP of this thread and I do not mind discussing it with someone like you.
You're right,thats is what he meant, just that the timeline would be a little ambiguous as he doesnt define it clearly when he mentions "Post quranic Islam" in the article.

I think so too, but it would be appropriate to point out that, despite strident claims to the contrary, the actual practice of Islam has indeed changed a lot over the centuries. After its beginnings, it blossomed, peaked and then went downhill, as we can see from the topic of this thread and what is happening in the world around us. No religion is static, so may be Islam will reform itself to regain past glories once again.

 

[I.R.A]

I think so too, but it would be appropriate to point out that, despite strident claims to the contrary, the actual practice of Islam has indeed changed a lot over the centuries. After its beginnings, it blossomed, peaked and then went downhill, as we can see from the topic of this thread and what is happening in the world around us. No religion is static, so may be Islam will reform itself to regain past glories once again.

Not Islam. Followers of Islam may someday realise what Islam actually is and may reform. Target the followers, Islam itself cannot change what is written is divine.

 

[VCheng]

Not Islam. Followers of Islam may someday realise what Islam actually is and may reform. Target the followers, Islam itself cannot change what is written is divine.

Any religion is what its followers actually do, not what they claim.

 

[I.R.A]

Any religion is what its followers actually do, not what they claim.

Sorry Islam does not need individuals, its the individuals that need Islam, if it did we won't see end of times.

 

[VCheng]

Sorry Islam does not need individuals, its the individuals that need Islam, if it did we won't see end of times.

Billions across the world are doing just fine without Islam, so it is not a requisite, is it? The End of Times? Right. Eventually, not just yet.

 

[Levina]

I think so too, but it would be appropriate to point out that, despite strident claims to the contrary, the actual practice of Islam has indeed changed a lot over the centuries. After its beginnings, it blossomed, peaked and then went downhill, as we can see from the topic of this thread and what is happening in the world around us. No religion is static, so may be Islam will reform itself to regain past glories once again.

Yeah like everything else Islam is also undergoing changes.

Corporate Trainer - Saaaf kiyun nahin kehteiiin keh aaap eik Couch Potato hain who sits in her office day long as a paper pusher !

Abbb tou yeh haaal ho giyaa haii that If someone asks you to tell whether a beam should've been added here or not you look at them incredulously !

Amyyy badii burii halat hai aaj kal.
Sach!!!