Why italian harsh laws prevented islamist attacks on our soil

[EgyptianAmerican]

To be italian you have to be italian by blood. Its almost impossible for a foreigner to get the italian citizenship. Combined with the harsh deportation laws that kick foreigners out by the slighest misbehavior we created a system where islamism cant strike. This article explains it well:

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To be an Italian citizen, “you have to have Italian blood,” Vidino said; your mother or father must be a citizen.

Non-Italians hoping to gain citizenship face a lengthy, expensive and complex process. Children of non-residents born in Italy have to wait until they’re 18 to even apply for citizenship.

Because few non-Italian residents are able to become citizens, those suspected of supporting the Islamic State or recruiting fighters can be — and are — quickly deported. “If it’s difficult to charge them, you deport them,” Vidino said. “You can’t deport your own citizens.”

Dealing with suspected terrorists via the regular criminal justice system is difficult, experts say, because it’s often not possible to prosecute such people without compromising intelligence sources. In other cases, it’s not clear that laws have been broken.

For example, U.K. authorities have for decades wrangled with Anjem Choudary, a 49-year-old preacher and British citizen of Pakistani descent considered to have helped motivate at least 100 young people to turn to terrorism in Britain and continental Europe. But for 20 years, he had stayed just within laws guaranteeing free speech. He was convicted in September of encouraging terrorism and jailed for 5 1/2 years after posting a series of talks on YouTube in which he urged Muslims to support the Islamic State.

In Italy, a preacher like Choudary likely wouldn’t have acquired citizenship, and likely would have been deported early on.

The Italian government deported 102 people in the past 18 months, Italian Interior Minister Angelino Alfano said in a July report to the Italian parliament, including several preachers.

“All were found to be working to radicalize others and promote jihad in Italy,” Alfano said.

Vidino said they were quickly deported. “Most are just shipped out overnight,” he said.

Italy has in the past repeatedly run afoul of European Union provisions on deportation, both in deporting migrants and terrorism suspects. The EU does not allow deportations of individuals to nations where they could face torture or inhumane treatment. The prohibition “enshrines one of the fundamental values of democratic societies,” the European Court of Human Rights found in a 2008 case involving Italy’s deportation of a Tunisian after he was convicted of terrorism-related activities.

Vidino said many of Italy’s terrorism-related deportations were of suspects from the Balkans, where there’s little threat of torture. In other cases, Italian authorities have been prepared to deport terrorism suspects despite the EU rules. “The bar is lower in Italy,” he said."

http://www.stripes.com/news/italy-d...ugh-citizenship-deportation-policies-1.434055

The latest case was a tunisian mother who posted an angry rant against christians and shia muslims on her Facebook site. She called for muslims to fight the west and It took just 8hours that police arrived at her house and arrested her. She was ordered to be deported the next day. Her apartment was emptied and her stuff thrown on garbage while her savings are confiscated by the state and used to compensante for the flight tickets for her deportation.

@waz @mike2000 is back @damm1t @flamer84

WOW Markus your back? and still obsessing over Muslims I see. I wonder how was your life after your ban? I was hoping it was a perma one unfortunately it was not.

 

[MarkusS]

You have a completely Eurocentric point of view and i bet you dont know a single Arab or Chinese or Indian scientist

why should i? I'm italian. I honor my people and our culture. Not something that has zero influence on us.

WOW Markus your back? and still obsessing over Muslims I see. I wonder how was your life after your ban? I was hoping it was a perma one unfortunately it was not.

it was nice. Had my model shot two weeks ago and now prepare for my chile holiday. Hope you are fine too

That is precisely the point. Rome had no science, no reasoning that was not adapted from the Greeks. The Etruscan influence that you talk about repeatedly has left nothing behind to demonstrate that it was as great an influence on science and on reasoning as the Greeks.

1500 years ago, in the 4th century, Byzantium, in Asia Minor, may have been a surviving metropolis of Hellenistic civilisation; it had nothing to do with Europe. Why don't you mention Rome? The last Roman Emperor died in 476; 1500 years from 1976. After that, Rome was a shrinking city, ruled by a succession of barbarians. Even your vaunted Byzantium, capital of the eastern Roman empire, spoke, wrote and read Greek, not Latin. So where was Rome and Italy in all that?

As for it being the capital of the world, its world stopped with Persia, and several Byzantine emperors died in Persian captivity. 1500 years ago, Persia was quite capable of looking after hersr elf, and gave as good as she got. But she was not the shining glory of the eastern world. 1500 years ago, India's civilisation was at a peak. The Guptas ruled, and a civilisation flourished that was far superior to the degraded slum that Rome had begun. You talked of science and reasoning. Both these were far more developed in India; the plays and the literature produced then would beggar anything produced in Europe until centuries later.

Maybe it is you who should take a little time off and check your history. 1500 years ago was not the right moment to mention.



Yes, don't bring up facts. It might puncture your claims. National Socialism was inspired by Mussolini's Fascism; in the classifications used in Political Science, National Socialism is considered a variation of Fascism.



We don't, we come from a civilisation that was conquered by the British and made into a colony. Look up how your mentors, the Greeks, defined colony.



In case you hadn't noticed, when you jumped into your 35 second study of history before banging it out over here, there was no difference between any of the countries in the world in, say, the 16th century. In fact, most of the wealth belonged to two countries very far from Europe, and most of the time spent by Europeans was in trying to get to these countries directly, to get access to their produce. In 200 years, the situation had changed; the Europeans were superior. The difference was the Industrial Revolution. Now spare another 35 seconds and check where the industrial revolution started. Italy, sadly, had nothing much to do with it.

I dont really get what you try?

Its a matter of fact that oir roman ancestors were the driving foundation of the western world. A power that united europe under reason and science. Something im proud for. I'm also proud for the Renaissance, which started in Italy and made it the scientific snd cultural center of the world.

Its easy, go on the streets and ask people for Leonardo da Vinci. And then ask for "Guptas", I assure you indian history is rather obscure for most people.

 

[Mugwop]

The real purpose of the OP is to prove his nation is better than other european nations but he's doing a terrible job in doing so

 

[Joe Shearer]

why should i? I'm italian. I honor my people and our culture. Not something that has zero influence on us.



it was nice. Had my model shot two weeks ago and now prepare for my chile holiday. Hope you are fine too



I dont really get what you try?

Its a matter of fact that oir roman ancestors were the driving foundation of the western world. A power that united europe under reason and science. Something im proud for. I'm also proud for the Renaissance, which started in Italy and made it the scientific snd cultural center of the world.

Its easy, go on the streets and ask people for Leonardo da Vinci. And then ask for "Guptas", I assure you indian history is rather obscure for most people.

The streets of Taranto, or the streets of Mumbai?

You'd be surprised what responses you get if you switch the streets.

I assure you that Roman history is Greek to more than 60% of the world. And Guptas are familiar to 1/3. Your day is past. Live with it.

 

[CHI RULES]

Would you call the massacres committed by the muslim caliphs against the black population on the arabian peninsula horrors too or was that all fun and party?

The holocaust had nothing to do with facism. It was nationalsocialism. Mussolini did not share Hitlers crazy hate for jews and his extreme racism. Thats a proven fact. Mussolini even joked about Hitlers rapid hate for jews and called it psychotic.

I orientate my way of thinking on emperors like Marcus Aurelius, Hadrian, Vespasian and Augustus. I'm not facist. I'm a follower of the roman principat. I see us as the best. I honor our ancestors.

Sir, massacre of Blacks by Arabs is just a joke, if u are pointing towards slave system then after arrival of Islam slaves were treated just like own children and they got married in noble families. However if we go towards West we see a shameful picture of persecution of blacks. Especially in USA we can see people like Trump and Klux clans rising again.

 

[GiannKall]

All races and nations have committed massacres and genocides. The difference between the Europeans and the rest of the world is that they have committed genocides almost everywhere on this planet. From native indians who were wiped out in America to Aborigines, to Mau-Mau, to Maori etc etc. And believe me when i say that the crimes the whites committed are far more compared to what the official history says. And this because it was easy for, lets say, the French to wipe out whole villages in Algeria during 19th century and sweep it under the rug. So bitching about muslims its ok but first learn what crimes your civilization committed and then point the finger to others

 

[MarkusS]

The streets of Taranto, or the streets of Mumbai?

You'd be surprised what responses you get if you switch the streets.

I assure you that Roman history is Greek to more than 60% of the world. And Guptas are familiar to 1/3. Your day is past. Live with it.

The streets of New York, London, Moscow, Toronto, Rio de Janeiro, Cape Town, Tokyo.

My day is past? I´m a young man and have my best years infront me. I live perfectly with it. I get model jobs and have a nice job beside that.

With all due respect, i dont compare my nation with a country which is by several magnitudes weaker and poorer than us.

I have no problem to live in one of the richest nations of this planet. A nation that is the fundamental base of man kind.

Also dont get what your nonsense with greek and rome means? The roman empire is known to the world. Greece was part of it.

And thats another point you dont get. You asusme that i care what others believe or think. For me counts only my own people. Our past, presence and future.

I assure you that 99% of the world think gupta is some wonderbra for fat women.
So maybe you should stop pulling numbers out of your *** and just walk by

Sir, massacre of Blacks by Arabs is just a joke, if u are pointing towards slave system then after arrival of Islam slaves were treated just like own children and they got married in noble families. However if we go towards West we see a shameful picture of persecution of blacks. Especially in USA we can see people like Trump and Klux clans rising again.

Nope, i´m pointing about the Zanj rebellion, where the caliph ordered evry black person on the arabian peninsula to be killed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zanj_Rebellion

and spare me this slave nonsense. Muslims treated slaves like animals.

You know why we defeated the muslim navy in the mediterranean at the battle of Lepanto? As Chaos broke out the row slaves did rise up and attacked their " ottoman torturers. The ottomans were killed by the chains they forced on their slaves?

Maybe they should have used their own children as slaves, if it was so good and fun.

But why go so far back? How are workers treated in Saudi Arabia or Kuwait today?

You dare to talk about the Klux Clan? How much members have the Taliban in Pakistan?

How much members have Boko Haram or ISIS?

You come from a country which is in absolute chaos and social collapse. With daily terrorism and collapse of even basic social structures.

Italy was never like your country. Even in our worst times in 12th century we had more stability and human standards than your country today.

That said:

lol

All races and nations have committed massacres and genocides. The difference between the Europeans and the rest of the world is that they have committed genocides almost everywhere on this planet. From native indians who were wiped out in America to Aborigines, to Mau-Mau, to Maori etc etc. And believe me when i say that the crimes the whites committed are far more compared to what the official history says. And this because it was easy for, lets say, the French to wipe out whole villages in Algeria during 19th century and sweep it under the rug. So bitching about muslims its ok but first learn what crimes your civilization committed and then point the finger to others

What crimes? Its nature. When your only invention in 10.000 years is a spear you deserve to be crushed and exploited.

I´m proud for the power the roman empire forced on others. I´m proud for our conquering of libya and ethiopia.

Why sweep glory under a rug? They had 10.000 years to invent what we had. Todays world is the result of constant competition. Its called social evolution. The strongest won and weak cultures got erased.

You know Carthago? Rome and Carthago were in direct competition. We fought 3 wars. We won the 1st.

Carthago almost won the 2nd and we barely made a victory. But after the 3rd war we won we erased Carthago from the face of the earth.

Tell me a reason why one should not take what is easy to take?

Blame the game and not the player.

 

[Khan_21]

The streets of New York, London, Moscow, Toronto, Rio de Janeiro, Cape Town, Tokyo.

My day is past? I´m a young man and have my best years infront me. I live perfectly with it. I get model jobs and have a nice job beside that.

With all due respect, i dont compare my nation with a country which is by several magnitudes weaker and poorer than us.

I have no problem to live in one of the richest nations of this planet. A nation that is the fundamental base of man kind.

Also dont get what your nonsense with greek and rome means? The roman empire is known to the world. Greece was part of it.

And thats another point you dont get. You asusme that i care what others believe or think. For me counts only my own people. Our past, presence and future.

I assure you that 99% of the world think gupta is some wonderbra for fat women.
So maybe you should stop pulling numbers out of your *** and just walk by




Nope, i´m pointing about the Zanj rebellion, where the caliph ordered evry black person on the arabian peninsula to be killed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zanj_Rebellion

and spare me this slave nonsense. Muslims treated slaves like animals.

You know why we defeated the muslim navy in the mediterranean at the battle of Lepanto? As Chaos broke out the row slaves did rise up and attacked their " ottoman torturers. The ottomans were killed by the chains they forced on their slaves?

Maybe they should have used their own children as slaves, if it was so good and fun.

But why go so far back? How are workers treated in Saudi Arabia or Kuwait today?

You dare to talk about the Klux Clan? How much members have the Taliban in Pakistan?

How much members have Boko Haram or ISIS?

You come from a country which is in absolute chaos and social collapse. With daily terrorism and collapse of even basic social structures.

Italy was never like your country. Even in our worst times in 12th century we had more stability and human standards than your country today.

That said:

Don't flatter yourself . Italy in alot of ways has been the basketcase of europe and a third world country in alot of ways .


http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/why-italy-s-economy-is-about-to-collapse-a7091221.html

Italy’s economy has shrunk by around 10 per cent since 2007, as the country endured a triple-dip recession. Output has regressed to levels of over a decade ago. Overall unemployment is around 12-13 per cent, with youth unemployment around 40 per cent. Consumption and investment are flaccid.

The damage is long term, with as much as 15 per cent of Italian industrial capacity destroyed, reducing employment and growth potential. Once its strength, Italy’s smaller enterprises have contracted as a result of low sales, declining profitability and lack of financing.

Italy has a current account surplus of 1.9 per cent, reversing a number of years of deficits. The change reflects the deterioration of the Italian economy rather than a change in its trading position

There are other structural problems. In World Bank studies, Italy ranks 65th out of 189 countries for ease of doing business. Infrastructure, dating back to the immediate post World War II era, is in need of renewal and lags leading economies. Energy costs are high. Italy spends less than 5 per cent of GDP on education, compared with a 6.3 per cent average across the OECD. The proportion aged 25-34 completing higher studies is 21 per cent, compared with a 39 per cent average for the OECD.

Italy’s large public sector and bureaucracy is legendary. Tax and other revenues are around 46 per cent of GDP. According to the World Bank, the effective Italian corporate tax burden is around 65 per cent. The European average is around 41 per cent, with only France (64 per cent and Spain (58 per cent) in a comparable range. Switzerland and Croatia, both located close to Italy have tax rates of 29 per cent and 20 per cent respectably. This diverts investment away from Italy. There are around 100 new tax laws affecting business promulgated annually.

The size of the government payroll is not matched by the quality of public services. Enforcement of a contract takes around three years compared to an OECD average of 18 months. Civil lawsuits take over eight years compared to less than three years in Germany.

Italian business is not much better, dominated by a group of well-connected monopolistic or oligopolistic firms and, in the words of author Alan Friedman, “self-congratulating and self-perpetuating” dynasties and salons, historically focused around figures such as Fiat’s Gianni Agnelli and Mediobanca founder Enrico Cuccia. Complex corporate cross holdings ensure that external disciplines are minimal and resistance to change high.

Transparency International ranks Italy 69 out of 175 countries in perceived levels of public corruption, comparable to Romania, Greece and Bulgaria. The World Bank indicator for Control of Corruption and the World Economic Forum also ranks Italy poorly on indicators related to ethics and corruption. The International Monetary Fund considers bribery a serious problem. A number of prominent business figures are facing embezzlement charges as well as prosecutions for breaching regulations, highlighting the extent of the problem.

http://www.realclearworld.com/2013/01/06/is_italy_a_third-world_country_143949.html

Is Italy a Third-World Country?

Italy may be rich in cultural heritage and boast the seventh largest economy in the world, but the country’s social statistics are more in line with those of a developing third-world nation. By almost every standard of measure in sectors from women’s rights and youth employment, Italy scores far below the mark. The country has been weighted down by recession, but money is not entirely to blame. In fact, Italy’s economic situation has steadily improved under the leadership of technocrat Prime Minister Mario Monti, but the country has still received a barrage of global criticism recently.

According to Italy’s national statistics agency ISTAT’s annual report, unemployment is highest at 36.5 percent among young workers under 24–over one million people in this age bracket are out of work. And surprisingly, those with university degrees are far more likely to be unemployed than those who quit school or never attend college–mostly because they are more willing to work without contracts in unskilled labor fields. Women have it worse than men. Not only are do they make on average 15 percent less than men, they least likely to be employed–in the southern regions of the country, six out of ten women are out of the job market. Many are also living in life-threatening domestic situations. More than 120 Italian women were killed in domestic violence attacks in 2012, breaking down to one murder every three days. The situation is so dire that last fall, the United Nations Human Rights Council warned Italy that it needed to put domestic violence on the national agenda, yet few policies exist to try to call attention or reeducate men that women are equal or to bolster social programs to get women to safety.

Even basic living standards leave a lot to be desired, although a full 72.4 percent of Italian families own the house they live in. Still, only 56 percent of Italian families have a computer at home; 45.3 percent have a dishwasher, and just 33.4 percent have air conditioning even though Italian summers are among the hottest in Europe.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...atistics-make-it-look-like-a-third-world.html

Now lets have a look at Pakistan

http://asia.nikkei.com/Politics-Economy/Economy/Pakistan-Asia-s-next-growth-engine

Pakistan: Asia's next growth engine

Pakistan is gradually emerging as an economy with significant growth potential.

It is one of the "Next 11" countries identified as the next emerging forces after BRICS -- Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa. Pakistan's inclusion is predicated on a population of 190 million, making it the sixth most populous country in the world.

In addition, Pakistan's young population is growing, meaning that it is likely to enter a period of "demographic dividend," in which the percentage of the workforce against total population rises to high levels for the next four to five decades, helping to accelerate economic growth.

In recent years, Pakistan has maintained a civilian government, going some way to projecting an image of greater political stability.

Thanks to positive developments, there are also signs that international financial players are turning their attention to Islamabad's way.


MSCI, a prominent provider of stock indices, announced in June that it will reclassify Pakistan into its Emerging Markets Index from the Frontier Markets Index, having downgraded it in December 2008

Apparently MSCI has a renewed positive view on the country now that it has maintained solid economic growth on the back of continued loans from the International Monetary Fund and falling oil prices, and that its stock market has been on a steady rise.

Provided safety concerns continue to be addressed, Pakistan has the potential to become one of Asia's growth engines.

Unlike Italy we currently don't have 45 % unemployment , trillions of debt and negitive economic growth rate .

 

[MarkusS]

Don't flatter yourself . Italy in alot of ways has been the basketcase of europe and a third world country in alot of ways .


http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/why-italy-s-economy-is-about-to-collapse-a7091221.html

Italy’s economy has shrunk by around 10 per cent since 2007, as the country endured a triple-dip recession. Output has regressed to levels of over a decade ago. Overall unemployment is around 12-13 per cent, with youth unemployment around 40 per cent. Consumption and investment are flaccid.

The damage is long term, with as much as 15 per cent of Italian industrial capacity destroyed, reducing employment and growth potential. Once its strength, Italy’s smaller enterprises have contracted as a result of low sales, declining profitability and lack of financing.

Italy has a current account surplus of 1.9 per cent, reversing a number of years of deficits. The change reflects the deterioration of the Italian economy rather than a change in its trading position

There are other structural problems. In World Bank studies, Italy ranks 65th out of 189 countries for ease of doing business. Infrastructure, dating back to the immediate post World War II era, is in need of renewal and lags leading economies. Energy costs are high. Italy spends less than 5 per cent of GDP on education, compared with a 6.3 per cent average across the OECD. The proportion aged 25-34 completing higher studies is 21 per cent, compared with a 39 per cent average for the OECD.

Italy’s large public sector and bureaucracy is legendary. Tax and other revenues are around 46 per cent of GDP. According to the World Bank, the effective Italian corporate tax burden is around 65 per cent. The European average is around 41 per cent, with only France (64 per cent and Spain (58 per cent) in a comparable range. Switzerland and Croatia, both located close to Italy have tax rates of 29 per cent and 20 per cent respectably. This diverts investment away from Italy. There are around 100 new tax laws affecting business promulgated annually.

The size of the government payroll is not matched by the quality of public services. Enforcement of a contract takes around three years compared to an OECD average of 18 months. Civil lawsuits take over eight years compared to less than three years in Germany.

Italian business is not much better, dominated by a group of well-connected monopolistic or oligopolistic firms and, in the words of author Alan Friedman, “self-congratulating and self-perpetuating” dynasties and salons, historically focused around figures such as Fiat’s Gianni Agnelli and Mediobanca founder Enrico Cuccia. Complex corporate cross holdings ensure that external disciplines are minimal and resistance to change high.

Transparency International ranks Italy 69 out of 175 countries in perceived levels of public corruption, comparable to Romania, Greece and Bulgaria. The World Bank indicator for Control of Corruption and the World Economic Forum also ranks Italy poorly on indicators related to ethics and corruption. The International Monetary Fund considers bribery a serious problem. A number of prominent business figures are facing embezzlement charges as well as prosecutions for breaching regulations, highlighting the extent of the problem.

http://www.realclearworld.com/2013/01/06/is_italy_a_third-world_country_143949.html

Is Italy a Third-World Country?

Italy may be rich in cultural heritage and boast the seventh largest economy in the world, but the country’s social statistics are more in line with those of a developing third-world nation. By almost every standard of measure in sectors from women’s rights and youth employment, Italy scores far below the mark. The country has been weighted down by recession, but money is not entirely to blame. In fact, Italy’s economic situation has steadily improved under the leadership of technocrat Prime Minister Mario Monti, but the country has still received a barrage of global criticism recently.

According to Italy’s national statistics agency ISTAT’s annual report, unemployment is highest at 36.5 percent among young workers under 24–over one million people in this age bracket are out of work. And surprisingly, those with university degrees are far more likely to be unemployed than those who quit school or never attend college–mostly because they are more willing to work without contracts in unskilled labor fields. Women have it worse than men. Not only are do they make on average 15 percent less than men, they least likely to be employed–in the southern regions of the country, six out of ten women are out of the job market. Many are also living in life-threatening domestic situations. More than 120 Italian women were killed in domestic violence attacks in 2012, breaking down to one murder every three days. The situation is so dire that last fall, the United Nations Human Rights Council warned Italy that it needed to put domestic violence on the national agenda, yet few policies exist to try to call attention or reeducate men that women are equal or to bolster social programs to get women to safety.

Even basic living standards leave a lot to be desired, although a full 72.4 percent of Italian families own the house they live in. Still, only 56 percent of Italian families have a computer at home; 45.3 percent have a dishwasher, and just 33.4 percent have air conditioning even though Italian summers are among the hottest in Europe.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...atistics-make-it-look-like-a-third-world.html

Now lets have a look at Pakistan

http://asia.nikkei.com/Politics-Economy/Economy/Pakistan-Asia-s-next-growth-engine

Pakistan: Asia's next growth engine

Pakistan is gradually emerging as an economy with significant growth potential.

It is one of the "Next 11" countries identified as the next emerging forces after BRICS -- Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa. Pakistan's inclusion is predicated on a population of 190 million, making it the sixth most populous country in the world.

In addition, Pakistan's young population is growing, meaning that it is likely to enter a period of "demographic dividend," in which the percentage of the workforce against total population rises to high levels for the next four to five decades, helping to accelerate economic growth.

In recent years, Pakistan has maintained a civilian government, going some way to projecting an image of greater political stability.

Thanks to positive developments, there are also signs that international financial players are turning their attention to Islamabad's way.


MSCI, a prominent provider of stock indices, announced in June that it will reclassify Pakistan into its Emerging Markets Index from the Frontier Markets Index, having downgraded it in December 2008

Apparently MSCI has a renewed positive view on the country now that it has maintained solid economic growth on the back of continued loans from the International Monetary Fund and falling oil prices, and that its stock market has been on a steady rise.

Provided safety concerns continue to be addressed, Pakistan has the potential to become one of Asia's growth engines.

Unlike Italy we currently don't have 45 % unemployment , trillions of debt and negitive economic growth rate .

We are in the top 7 richest countries of the world.

deal with that.

How does it feel that an unemployed has 10 times higehr income than a working person in pakistan?

Our unemployment rate is 12.5% by the way.

 

[Khan_21]

We are in the top 7 richest countries of the world.

deal with that.

How does it feel that an unemployed has 10 times higehr income than a working person in pakistan?

Our unemployment rate is 12.5% by the way.

Nobody wants to be Italy these days seriously . Italy hasn't been relevant since 1990 , atleast it's economy hasn't been . Its a Basketcase and the next country to go bankrupt after Greece . I would rather be in Pakistan right now which is booming rather be in Italy which is one of the most stagnating countries in the world and has been collapsing for about 25 years now

https://www.thelocal.it/20160127/italy-is-still-one-of-europes-most-corrupt-countries

You are as corrupt as African countries .

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2014/10/italys-in-terminal-decline-and-no-one-has-the-guts-to-stop-it/

The youth unemployment rate here is 43 per cent — the highest on record. That figure doesn’t factor in the black market, which is so big that the Italian government now wants to include certain parts of it — prostitution, drug dealing and assorted smuggling — into its official GDP figures. The contribution is thought to be sizeable enough to take the country out of its third recession in six years.

Italy’s sovereign debt, meanwhile, continues to grow exponentially. It is now €2.2 trillion, which is the equivalent of 135 per cent of GDP — the third highest in the world after Japan and Greece. And the more deflation Italy has, the bigger the debt and its cost in real terms. Italy, more even than France, is the sick man of Europe — and it is also the dying man of Europe

Meanwhile in Pakistan

http://qz.com/728382/move-over-india-pakistan-is-the-hottest-equity-market-in-south-asia/

In 2016, Pakistan’s benchmark equity index, the KSE 100, has been one of Asia’s best performing. In fact, it is the fifth-best performing stock index globally. Bloomberg even referred to Pakistan as an Asian “tiger,” in a report. In June, the American stock index firm MSCI included the KSE 100 in its emerging markets index, which represents 10% of the world’s market capitalisation.

We are expected to grow at 7 % in next 2 years (10 times faster than Italy) , less unemployement , lesser debt , CPEC , an economy that is healthy . Italy since 2 decades resembles a TB patient . Get of your high horse .

 

[MarkusS]

Nobody wants to be Italy these days seriously . Italy hasn't been relevant since 1990 , atleast it's economy hasn't been . Its a Basketcase and the next country to go bankrupt after Greece . I would rather be in Pakistan right now which is booming rather be in Italy which is one of the most stagnating countries in the world and has been collapsing for about 25 years now

https://www.thelocal.it/20160127/italy-is-still-one-of-europes-most-corrupt-countries

You are as corrupt as African countries .

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2014/10/italys-in-terminal-decline-and-no-one-has-the-guts-to-stop-it/

The youth unemployment rate here is 43 per cent — the highest on record. That figure doesn’t factor in the black market, which is so big that the Italian government now wants to include certain parts of it — prostitution, drug dealing and assorted smuggling — into its official GDP figures. The contribution is thought to be sizeable enough to take the country out of its third recession in six years.

Italy’s sovereign debt, meanwhile, continues to grow exponentially. It is now €2.2 trillion, which is the equivalent of 135 per cent of GDP — the third highest in the world after Japan and Greece. And the more deflation Italy has, the bigger the debt and its cost in real terms. Italy, more even than France, is the sick man of Europe — and it is also the dying man of Europe

Meanwhile in Pakistan

http://qz.com/728382/move-over-india-pakistan-is-the-hottest-equity-market-in-south-asia/

In 2016, Pakistan’s benchmark equity index, the KSE 100, has been one of Asia’s best performing. In fact, it is the fifth-best performing stock index globally. Bloomberg even referred to Pakistan as an Asian “tiger,” in a report. In June, the American stock index firm MSCI included the KSE 100 in its emerging markets index, which represents 10% of the world’s market capitalisation.

We are expected to grow at 7 % in next 2 years (10 times faster than Italy) , less unemployement , lesser debt , CPEC , an economy that is healthy . Italy since 2 decades resembles a TB patient . Get of your high horse .

you are poor. an unemployed gets ten times more in italy than a working one in pakistan

dude seriously you are 3rd world. Wonder why you keep posting when my only response is a one line where i laugh about you.

 

[GiannKall]

What crimes? Its nature. When your only invention in 10.000 years is a spear you deserve to be crushed and exploited.

I´m proud for the power the roman empire forced on others. I´m proud for our conquering of libya and ethiopia.

Why sweep glory under a rug? They had 10.000 years to invent what we had. Todays world is the result of constant competition. Its called social evolution. The strongest won and weak cultures got erased.

You know Carthago? Rome and Carthago were in direct competition. We fought 3 wars. We won the 1st.

Carthago almost won the 2nd and we barely made a victory. But after the 3rd war we won we erased Carthago from the face of the earth.

Tell me a reason why one should not take what is easy to take?

Blame the game and not the player.

Since you love ancient Rome and at the same time you claim you are a proud catholic i must remind you that Ancient Rome hunted down Christians claiming that their ideology is poisonous. I bet if you were ancient Roman you would accuse christians of trying to poison the local civilization and you would subscribe in taking measures against them. You would say that christianity is a middle eastern religion that has nothing to do with the local culture....

 

[Khan_21]

you are poor. an unemployed gets ten times more in italy than a working one in pakistan

dude seriously you are 3rd world. Wonder why you keep posting when my only response is a one line where i laugh about you.

Italy in alot of ways is third world . You like all 45 % must be unemployed . No?

 

[MarkusS]

Italy in alot of ways is third world . You like all 45 % must be unemployed . No?

Nope, i work in aviation industry as trainee and do model jobs and fitness training lessons beside.

You get food aid?

Since you love ancient Rome and at the same time you claim you are a proud catholic i must remind you that Ancient Rome hunted down Christians claiming that their ideology is poisonous. I bet if you were ancient Roman you would accuse christians of trying to poison the local civilization and you would subscribe in taking measures against them. You would say that christianity is a middle eastern religion that has nothing to do with the local culture....

yip exactly. Religion is tool for me.

 

[Khan_21]

Nope, i work in aviation industry as trainee and do model jobs and fitness training lessons beside.

You get food aid?



yip exactly. Religion is tool for me.

You do ? That's surprising . Yours posts are full of bigotry , how did they hire you with your narrow minded views ? Am not surprised since Italy has been a basketcase for 25 years .