Why Israel can overcome Iran militarily despite population and land size

[Enigma SIG]

Iran has historically been the only country who boosts the record for the biggest military upsets in human history.

In 3 occasions biggest military upsets in human history happened in Iran and now I want to explain why this happened and why this will most likely happen again in any form of future military struggle.

1: Macedonia vs Persia in the battle of Issus

The Persians outnumber the enemy by a large margin. 40.850 vs 600.000

2: Umar ibn al-Khaṭṭāb vs Persia

Battle of Firaz: 15.000 vs 150.000

Battle of Nahāvand: 30.000 120.000

At this point in time it was a norm to see a larger Iranian forces to fall into shock defeats where the odds was heavily in their favor.

3: Mirwais Hotak vs Safavid dynasty

This one is probably the biggest military upset in human history and not that 300 movie which was fake but this one was real and authentic event that took place. A tiny tribe from Kandahar conquered the whole of Iran and this happened just a little less then 300 years ago in the 17th century.

The safavid dysnasty controlled western part of Afghanistan and whole of Iran but what happened is that they arrested a youth called Mirwais Hotak and later he and his tribe revolted and this tiny harmless revolt led by 30.000 Kandahar tribesmen destroyed the entire safavid dynasty and conquered the Whole of Iran and Afghanistan. This is probably the biggest military upset in human history and not even Sun tzu's campaign is equal or close to it.

Once Kandahar fell to Hotak the Safavid in desparation kept sending reinforcement to recapture it quickly but everything send was destroyed by Mirwais Hotak and his small outnumbered tribesmen who eventually had so much success that they decided to march into Iran and capture the capital and Isfahan.

The odds was like 1000000:1
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Aside from all that what is the real cause of this bizarre events and defeats?

the answer is moral? The people are kept against their will in Iran and they never tend to be true to their roots. example when ever they leave Iran most Iranians leave Islam and denounce their citizenship. The Iranians have historically been good at adminstration and just basically traders and war has not been for them and achieved much of their success thru adminstration and slave forces.

They are not true to what they stand for so there is always lack of motivation to fall back on when the going gets tough.

In today's modern Iran the same issues are there. The people just want someone to cause regime change whether it comes from inside or outside and they seek economical gains rather then being in line with the Mullah regime as you saw recent demonstrations against the regime due to economical crisis.

In all areas Iran is a paper-tiger and much smaller neighbouring countries can upset them at any given time.

If you think militarily and equipment wise even smaller neighbouring nations such as UAE can upset them by claiming air-dominance while being better equipped overall and just being ruthless by destroying big cities and infrastructure could upset and de-moralize them.

THAAD and other forms of anti-missiles will limit them while they will definitely lose the air-dominance. So they will have to resort to manpads and anti-tanks because they will definitely lose firepower advantage. The key for them will be defensive wall and that can only work if the attacking country is not aggressive because if they are then they can level much of the cities to the ground and try to do as much as possible damage.

Israel can overcome Iran in a 1v1 type of war without any asistance

Citations? I love a good read.

 

[Mentee]

Un

Wrong, Alexander died of malaria on his way home to Macedonia and died in Iraq. Soon after his empire crumbled.

Unlike mighty persian army which surrendered to every invader enmassed
an ordinary tribal boy near Indus river aimed at Alexander and dispatched him to hell .

 

[azyr]

This is the most shallow and silliest thing I've read here - and thats inspite of the tons of trolling that happened recently.

 

[Titanium100]

Wrong, Alexander died of malaria on his way home to Macedonia and died in Iraq. Soon after his empire crumbled.

According to historians there is two opinions he was wounded and died of his wounds and others say he died of Malaria while both agree that he died in Iraq. He was injured in Pakistan which stopped his advance further there is no conflict in that either

 

[Mentee]

Mate the o.p is making a distinctive comparison based on ethnicities.
Hizbiies are Arabs not persians.

Yet hezbullah with no airforce no navy no tanks no artillery no apc and only 12000 fighter managed to defeat israel in 2006.

What bullshit

 

[Tokhme khar]

lol......yes he was injured there, by a fukking mosquito! He defeated porous in India, however sustained casualties. However he won. The mosquito got him though. His last account was high fever and chills......consistent with having contracted malaria in the swamps of the Indian punjab.

Anyway, his empire didn't last very long after that. Iranians were soon back into power.

According to historians there is two opinions he was wounded and died of his wounds and others say he died of Malaria while both agree that he died in Iraq. He was injured in Pakistan which stopped his advance further there is no conflict in that either

 

[batmannow]

If israel has its own strength then it would hve captured Iran 20 years back, all it has is latest weaponry , which cant get land captured, Israel can do strikes and Thts it, fighting Iran on its own inland is out of question, untill USA brings out its ground forces and its air power but then again it will keep em in control for some time as we seen in Iraq and Afghanistan where Americans ground forces failed misrebly????

 

[KhalaiMakhlooq]

I'm not sure if Israel is that good at fighting. It mostly a preceding reputation. People think Israeli Jews run the world, but they dont.

Remember, if they have been around about 5000 years, their war record is really really poor.

In fact the only thing you would remember Israel for is being taken into slavery by every nation, having their temple ram sacked about 3 times and being more interested in philosophy than anything else. I dont think they are warriors.

The only war success i remember is David v Golliath. but thats myth.

 

[Yaseen1]

1. They are defeated by us on 27feb when they tried to attack our nuclear sites

 

[KhalaiMakhlooq]

Also, assuming the US is better than Israel at war..

I posted this.. US vs Iran War Game...

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/us-vs-iran-most-expensive-military-game-in-history.591434/

 

[Hack-Hook]

As for the Arabs they had better things to do and went elsewhere as they were busy.

Who overthrow ummayad dynasty? Who put abbaside in place , who decide who will be caliph after Braun-al-Rashid , who defeat abbaside and made them a vassal . And who made Mongols end abbaside for good.
About too take which 20 year they were in iran for 7 years and in the last year they were busy escaping iranian army.
It and please tell us which fight with othoman they did they just told othman they can have west of iran and even when we destroyed their artillery othman send them replacement with artillery men that we again capture . I wonder how many time I must recount all the battles in party in invasion of iran.

Un

Unlike mighty persian army which surrendered to every invader enmassed
an ordinary tribal boy near Indus river aimed at Alexander and dispatched him to hell .

On your dream . he did not died there. He died on his way back to macedonia some say by disease and some say by poisoning.

 

[sammuel]

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I have no interest to overcome Iran , to overrun Iran , or to override Iran.

I see no reason to be in a conflict with a country that is 1500 miles away. That is simply madness.

We have our own neighbors that we need to sort our differences with , mainly the Palestinians and this is complicated enough.

As for Iran.The only reason we are in conflict with them is because of the mullah regime wants it to be so , for their own selfish reasons that serve neither ours or Iranian real interests.

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[Hack-Hook]

According to historians there is two opinions he was wounded and died of his wounds and others say he died of Malaria while both agree that he died in Iraq. He was injured in Pakistan which stopped his advance further there is no conflict in that either

Alexander captured all Pakistan and he we my as far as Beas river in punjab India.

According to historians there is two opinions he was wounded and died of his wounds and others say he died of Malaria while both agree that he died in Iraq. He was injured in Pakistan which stopped his advance further there is no conflict in that either

No historian ever said he was died of battle wound ,they debated on disease and poisoning.

 

[Surya 1]

In present day warfare, you need to hit enemy in such a way that they feel that they can not stop their opponent. This makes a big impact on enemy. Israel has this advantage

 

[Mentee]

On your dream . he did not died there. He died on his way back to macedonia some say by disease and some say by poisoning

That's what the Greek historians of a retreating Alexander army reported!
The spear which was thrown at Alexander was drenched in poison