Dont say use of religion. Say use of Islam.
Islam is a religion, isn't it, thus my use of the term religion. Similarly, centuries ago, the same was happening to Christianity where the use of that particular religion was to gain power and expand control.
Whatever wrong is happening in Pakistan today is certainly not becoz of the overdose of religion, but overdose of Islam.
Islam is a religion and that is why I have stated Islam, its not the overuse of Islam but rather the use of it for materialistic and strategic gains.
Here in India i have seen people having overdose of Hinduism and Jainism. and trust me, they dont kill each other for that.
I am sure that the Hindus and Jain's were never used by others through their religious beliefs to fight invaders and ocupiers. Yours is an illogical comparions because the Hindu's and Jain's have never been in similar situation as Muslims.
at most what can we see a hardcore Hindu do ? he might worship a rat, a phallu a cow or a cockroach. thats it.
Historic events would beg to differ, remember Babri Masjid incident, even now some Hindu extremist kill people albeit infrequently. Similarly, the amount of Dalits being killed in India are a direct result of an extremist mindset.
religious overdose is absolutely fine. people are free to believe in all sort of absurdities, unless they force their belief on me.
There is no compulsion in Islam, what one sect of Islam does cannot be used to label all sects as being similar.
People believe in all sorts of things with sincerity. They are so sure of their beliefs that they are willing to sacrifice their lives for what they believe.
Depends on individual basis and the environment plays an important role in all this.
But Islam is not a personal religion. Islam plans to take over the world and impose the Sharia everywhere.
How absurd?
Firstly, there are many various sects in Islam, their understanding and interpretation of Islam varies and not all believe in imposing Sharia globally. It seems like you are high in Islamophobia and in this emotional rant, you threw out all objectivity in your post.
In India here are thousands of religions, some worship snake, some rats, some monkeys, some cows and some phallus. That is none of my business. None of these religions threaten me. They are not trying to impose their beliefs by killing the infidels and convert everyone to their way of thinking.
There are more than Billion Muslims around the world, if they were trying to impose their belief on you through force, you would have noticed the outrage and eventual friction. But that is not the case and you seem to have exaggerated what might occur as a global Islamic phenomenon.
Again u missed the most important point.
Pakistanis before 80 didnt kill each other becoz they were not following Islam literally.
How exactly have you verified that the current version being practiced by some Muslims is the literal Islam. There are many sects in Islam who all believe that they are right and the others are wrong. I am damn sure that many people are still practicing the Islam that was once practiced in Pakistan, however the violent ideologies from Wahab and Deoband gained a lot of power due to their western backing and now they are able to exert their thinking onto others.
Very emotional response, where is the reasoning?
And who gave them this idea that by killing each other they are doing god's work ?
Wahab and later the Americans.
1984-1994: CIA Funds Militant Textbooks for Afghanistan
The US, through USAID and the University of Nebraska, spends millions of dollars developing and printing textbooks for Afghan schoolchildren. The textbooks are filled with violent images and militant Islamic teachings, part of covert attempts to spur resistance to the Soviet occupation. For instance, children are taught to count with illustrations showing tanks, missiles, and land mines. Lacking any alternative, millions of these textbooks are used long after 1994; the Taliban will still be using them in 2001. In 2002, the US will start producing less violent versions of the same books, which President Bush says will have respect for human dignity, instead of indoctrinating students with fanaticism and bigotry. (He will fail to mention who created those earlier books.) [Washington Post, 3/23/2002; Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, 5/6/2002] A University of Nebraska academic named Thomas Gouttierre leads the textbook program. Journalist Robert Dreyfuss will later reveal that although funding for Gouttierres work went through USAID, it was actually paid for by the CIA. Unocal will pay Gouttierre to work with the Taliban (see December 1997) and he will host visits of Taliban leaders to the US, including trips in 1997 and 1999 (see December 4, 1997 and July-August 1999).
didnt they get this idea from Islam. ?
No, the meaning of the terms like Jihad was twisted for political and strategic gains. Not all sects of Islam follow the same line of thought.
The reason Muslims are so afraid of criticism is because they are aware of the vulnerability of Islam.
Have you met moderate Sunni's, Shia's, Bohra's, Sufi's, Ahmadi's, Aga Khani's and many other sects of Islam, once you sit down with a number of varying sects, then you can come to a conclusion but till then, your statement is based on assumption, not facts.
Please don’t harp on anecdotal occurrences. Look at the general scenario, where is violence springing from?
The violence stems from a distorted teaching of Islam that was taught to a number of Muslims for political and strategic goals. The problem is that once the distorted teaching becomes the only source of learning, you will always get problems due to lack of understanding and negligience.
What are the causes of ignorance?
Lack of understanding and the ability to interpret relgious scriptures.
If all the apples on a tree are good and only one or a few are bad, it is unfair to say the tree is bad. However, if you see that the tree produces nothing but bad apples, year in year out, then it is fair to say that the problem is with the tree.
Are you even thinking rationally, there are so many sects in Islam and you are painting them with the same brush just becuase a couple of sects are causing all the problems.
Bad people exist in all religions. Nonetheless they are often the exceptions and they are bad because they do not follow the good teachings of their religion. In Islam bad people are the majority.
Bad people are the majority?
What indicator did you use?
Amazing argument, you just stated that a billion+ people are bad in this world.
Just read a few verses from the “words of God” and you’ll have millions of fools pouring into the streets, foaming their mouths and committing all sorts of atrocities so you can achieve your goal.
Mirza Malkam Khan (1831-1908), an Armenian who converted to Islam and together with Jamaleddin Afghani launched the idea of an “Islamic Renaissance” (An-Nahda), had a slogan of unrivaled cynicism: “Tell the Muslims something is in the Qur’an, and they will die for you.”
Never heard of them or the idea or violence, its not a part of what I have learned.
Please tell me why is it that those Muslims who dedicate years going to madresas and read sharia are more prone to become terrorists?
Madrassa's were used to prepare militants in Muslim countries so that they can be used to fight wars for western and Arabic nations.
Shouldn't it be the reverse?
It should be but who is going to cut off the oil funding of these madrassas and change the curriculum.
Please tell me why all Islamic countries have barbaric practices such as stoning, maiming, child abuse, etc. are poor and uncivilized compared to the rest of the world?
What?
Most of these thing happen around the world, they are not restricted to Islamic countries.
Similarly, you need to realise that just like your country India, many if not all Muslim countries are third world countries. They have worse practices in Africa too but the spotlight is on Muslim countries nowadays and this is why you hear more of it. That or you are very fond of visiting Anti-Muslim websites, which seems plausible.
Why ungodly nations have all the science, technology and knowledge and the godly Islamic nations are so ignorant?
No money being invested into science, technology and education.
We did have Dr Abdus Salam who won a Noble Prize for his grand scientific achievements and his inspiration was Islam. He also wanted all Muslim states to allocate a small percent of their GDP for science and technology but it did not happen. He then wanted to open education centres in all Muslim countries but that did not happen too because the Muslims are in their dark ages.
Doesn't this raise the red flag that something is wrong with Islam?
No, something is wrong with Muslims, not all but some.
You may say that its becoz Muslims countries don't follow correct interpretation of Islam. Then what about non-Muslim countries, that dont follow Islam at all.
Wouldn't it be correct to say that Islam is a dangerous belief which if not followed correctly, can turn people of a society into brain-dead zombies ?
Islam was never a problem until the Arabic states started to get a lot of oil money. Thus they started to promote their own violent ideology whereby most of the other peaceful and tolerant nations were used as experimentation grounds for violent religious indoctrination.
Look at it this way, if you have the ability to coerce people into a certain idelogy, you have to relate it to the preceding ideology which was practiced. What happened is that the new violent ideology that was practiced in limited sections became a mainstream ideology because it was heavily promoted and taught around the world.
You might want to look up various sects of Islam and see if you can find any violence amongst them.
You post was very emotional and lacked reasoning. I thought you were going to be objective about the reasons and causes of extremism, instead I felt like talking to a Islamophobe.
