Why Is Pakistan More Legitimate than Israel?

[Providence]

LOL. Seriously ? Does anyone give a flying fcuk which is less or more legitimate ? Both have nukes and u cant just push them away.

 

[qamar1990]

Its only arabs who question legitimacy of Israel for their own benefit. People who say jews migrated to israel from europe forget the fact it was their ancient lands from which they were thrown out. Irony is that jews did the same thing to muslims that was done to them.

after reading ng this we can easily assume that your not a very bright person.... 50 percent of the israeli population is from europe. they did not move from the middle east to europe but in fact they were natives of europe who converted to judaism....
there are 2 different types of jews in this world
shepherdic and mizrahi jews - those who are native to the middle east and actually are semetic. 20 percent of all jews in the world.

Ashkenazi Jews- who are native to europe- 80 percent of all jews in the world

israeli population - 20 percent arab(christians and muslims)
50 percent = ashkenazi jews(from europe)
30 percent= (shepherdi jews, mizrahi jews, and others)

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Why should the refugees go somewhere else, why should the jews be allowed to steal these people's homes and lands

Israel is now 20% arab/muslim

The number of arabs/muslims is now greater than the number of jews across gaza / israel and the west bank The aim should be to engulf israel and end its occupation and jewish character the refugees not only play a important part in this but have a right to go back to their lands and homes stolen by European jews

Your arguments are irrelevant. A point I made before- in a handful of places in the world, the birthplace of great civlizations, the land belongs to the people of those civilizations. That's a logic of history and you can never go against it. I consider Varanasi (probably Ayodhya) for Hindus, Mecca, Medina for Muslims and Jerusalem for the Jews. As for Christians I think the Jews are quite openly giving access to their holy places. In these places saying things like 'O but these people lived there for so long' don't count. If Hindus invaded Mecca or Medina you will declare a 1000 year war on us to reclaim them and if we told you 'we've been here a 1000 years' will you accept it? Your hypocrisy is a very subtle one. You thought they were a bunch of pansies because you'd been kicking them around for a 1000 years. You and people like Hitler inflamed their will and they've proved themselves splendidly. And not being able to accept their rightfully earned place is your problem. Do you not still wax eloquent about the conquests of your warriors? But with Israel, no matter how bravely they defeat you in the battlefield it's never 'legitimate'. how is that?
Like I said in the logic of History the land was always theirs, the question was only about a decision to found the state or not.

 

[MadDog]

PAKISTAN a term (acronym) was first used in 1933 by Ch Rehmat Ali in a journal “Now or Never” published in London, which meant five regions, Punjab, Afghania/Afghan Province (old name of KPK province which was part of Afghanistan before Sikhs took over), Kashmir, Sindh, balochisTAN. Each letter represents a region, here is the link from Columbia university archives, when the word PAKISTAN was first used. Now or Never, by Chaudhary Rahmat Ali, 1933

The history of these five regions (PAKISTAN) dates back to thousands of years, Pakistan’s civilization was developed around Indus Valley, and the ancestoral civilizations were Indus Valley civilization of Punjab, Gandhara civilization of Western Pakistan/Eastern Afghanistan, and Mehrghar civilization of Balochistan, these civilizations had nothing to do with today’s India, your civilizations were mostly developed around Yumuna and Ganges river valleys, Indus valley was always separate from the land mass what you call today’s India, only Indian Punjab was part of Indus valley.

Indians and Pakistanis aren't one ethnicity, Pakistanis themselves aren't one ethnicity, same goes for India. Pakistan is multi ethnic, Pakistani Punjabis are similar to Indian Punjabis (2% of Indian population) across the border in Indian Punjab, Pakistani Pushtuns (2nd biggest ethnic group) are similar to Afghan Pushtuns across the border in Afghanistan and Pakistani Baloch are similar to Iranian Baloch across the border in Iran’s Sistan-Balochistan, its just like in Switzerland, 60% people are of German background and speak German, 20% are French. Lets look at Belgium, 59% speak Dutch, 40% are French, The writer of this article needs to come to subcontinent and move around before generalising everything and saying that entire subcontinent is one ethnicity and one culture.

There is no doubt, Israel as a kingdom existed in the past in that specific region, even Muslim texts verify it, but those were the middle eastern jews not Ashkenazi European jews , who had converted to judaism and migrated from Europe in 20th centuary, however I'm in favour of Pakistan recognizing state of Israel, there are many similarities interms of its creation, the struggle both countries went through, the types of threats they faced and overcame, the need for a strong defence force to counter a numerically superior enemy, and I can go on and on, there are indeed a lot of similarities, hopefully one day I will be seeing an Israeli embassy in Islamabad.

 

[hussain0216]

Your arguments are irrelevant. A point I made before- in a handful of places in the world, the birthplace of great civlizations, the land belongs to the people of those civilizations. That's a logic of history and you can never go against it. I consider Varanasi (probably Ayodhya) for Hindus, Mecca, Medina for Muslims and Jerusalem for the Jews. As for Christians I think the Jews are quite openly giving access to their holy places. In these places saying things like 'O but these people lived there for so long' don't count. If Hindus invaded Mecca or Medina you will declare a 1000 year war on us to reclaim them and if we told you 'we've been here a 1000 years' will you accept it? Your hypocrisy is a very subtle one. You thought they were a bunch of pansies because you'd been kicking them around for a 1000 years. You and people like Hitler inflamed their will and they've proved themselves splendidly. And not being able to accept their rightfully earned place is your problem. Do you not still wax eloquent about the conquests of your warriors? But with Israel, no matter how bravely they defeat you in the battlefield it's never 'legitimate'. how is that?
Like I said in the logic of History the land was always theirs, the question was only about a decision to found the state or not.

Its a colonial occupation by white people who happen to be jews

A colonial occupation by white people who have oppressed and abused an innocent people who did nothing but live in their homes and lands which were coveted by people born in Russia and Poland and Germany and beyond


You would think being from the sub continent you would understand the desire to overthrow colonial occupation

During the crusades Jerusalem was occupied for 100 years but muslims did not give up, why should the Palestinians give up after only 60 years of occupation

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Because we didn't "reclaim" land we supposedly inhabited thousands of years ago .. We didn't migrate from another continent and create an apartheid criminal state?

We merely took what was already ours .. We took ownership of our land tht was illegitimately occupied by British colonial empire merged under a fake and unnatural Union/dominion called British India.

 

[halupridol]

Both countries legitimate,both nuclear,both made up on basis of religion n ofcourse both allies of USA

 

[tsinga]

Nothing. They are the same despite the best efforts of Pakistanis to say otherwise.

Pakistan is as legitimate as Israel is or is as illegitimate as Israel is.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Nothing. They are the same despite the best efforts of Pakistanis to say otherwise.

Pakistan is as legitimate as Israel or is as illegitimate as Israel.

Are we foreigners to our country? Do we occupy another state? Do we bomb kids on a beach? Are we building illegal settlements? Are we killing thousands of innocents n bombing UN camps,schools or hospitals ?

 

[Jaanbaz]

Because we didn't "reclaim" land we supposedly inhabited thousands of years ago .. We didn't migrate from another continent and create an apartheid criminal state?

We merely took what was already ours .. We took ownership of our land tht was illegitimately occupied by British colonial empire merged under a fake and unnatural Union/dominion called British India.

Exactly. KPK was all ready inhabited by Pushtuns, Balochistan by Baloch, Sindh by Sindhis, Punjab by Punjabis. Its not like some random people from another continent arrived and took the land because of their thousands year old ''genetic'' link.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

This is a ridicalous thread. Only a moron or somebody peddling cheap propaganda can come up with this. Let me clarfiy. Central to everything is the following:-

The Isreal/Palestine issue is about Polish, Ukrainians, Russians, Germans and other Europeans colonizing a weak native peoples of Palestine in the same manner that Australia, New Zealand, USA or even South Africa were settled by mass European migrants.

95% of the first generation of Isreali's were settlers from Europe. At heart of this even religion has no bearing. Had these European settlers been Rastafarians or Muslims the Palestinians would have felt the exact same way. Just as a example please see.

Prime Minister Ben gurion - Born 1886, Plonsk, Poland. David Ben-Gurion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Prime minister Golda Meir - Born 1888, Kiev, Russian Empire. Golda Meir - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Prime Minister Menachem Begin - Born 1913, Brest, Russian Empire. Menachem Begin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Prime Minister Yitzak shamir - Born 1915, Ruzhinoy, Russian Empire. Yitzhak Shamir - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
President chaim Herzong- Born 1918, Belfast, Northern Ireland with roots in Estonia and Poland. Chaim Herzog - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I don't think anybody doubts that most of the Jews in 1947 were settlers from Europe a fact borne out by lot the settlers having blonde hair and blue eyes thus giving away their European roots. At this point I suspect many will be screaching that these people were in fact Jews and from this land 2,000 years ago. First and foremost I live in UK now and in 1,000 years time I will have devolved about 300 generations. I doubt by that time my decendants could furnish a claim on Pakistan because of time lapse and tenous nature of proof.

Even if that was accepted as a legal principle of possession then how about also applying that on USA, Canada, Australia, NEw Zealand amongst others. That is folk there who are NOT native give over the said land to the original natives who albeit a minority but still reside there for example the Maori.

Moving onto Pakistan the comparison is diabolical for the simple fact that the Punjabi, Sindhi and Pashtuns who voted to take their provinces into a federation called Pakistan were 95% native to that soil. Thus their example can be compared to the Irisish southern counties voting to set up the Irish Free State in 1918 with the other northern ones going with the United Kingdom.

Edit: I do not support the Jews being removed from Palestine. With most now approaching residency in Palestine for a century - Just that Palestinians got frigged in 1947 and we don't now need to frigg thier suffering as well. At least have the decency that wrong was done and then move forward from there.

 

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Eagerly waiting for the next articles:

Why is Albania more legitimate than Paraguai.

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[Indus Pakistan]

I quote the words of the celebrated Christian Palestinian Edward Said "A European probblem was exported to Palestine"
This of course refers to the historical problems between Christian Europeans and Jewish Europeans which culminated in the mass murder of 6 million Jews by Germans in WW2.

After having exported their problem the Europeans quickly cuddled up with the Isreali's and Germans who should have picked up the bill for the suffering of the Jews were restituted within 48 months post 1945 and Palestinians continue to pay the price for the sin of the Germans nearly 70 years later.

This is the reality.

Edward Said - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[hussain0216]

Eagerly waiting for the next articles:

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Says the ethnically Russian pretend middle easterner

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Eagerly waiting for the next articles:

Why is Albania more legitimate than Paraguai.

Why is Nigeria more legitimate than Malaysia.

In 2015 the question is not anymore about legitimacy. All states are now legitimate. Over time anything becomes legitimate and this fact is recognized in law. The only issue left is to tie the loose ends as smoothly as possible. This question of legitimacy is almost infantile now. I was looking at pictures of Isreal and I was terribly impressed. The fact is in 2015 we need to move forward in the most effective manner possible instead of asking stupid, almost childish questions.

Edit: Can we not get racist here please. That can work both ways and I always regard as the Jews as bulwark against European racism.