Why is My Hijab Your Problem?

[Guest01]

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Do you even have the slightest idea of what you are talking about? The increase in extremism? The damage the Mullahs can do? It is happening today? Are you kidding?
1: We don't have "mullahs" in Turkey.
2: There is a decrease in extremism in Turkey.
3: Extremism is when you deny women with scarf entering Universities. It is not extremism when you allow them in. Check your dictionary.

Also if you have no idea about Turkey and its history and people refrain from such moronic posts please.

LoL, when were you last there? Shut up and stop assuming. I have no need to explain my understanding of that culture or one of the many that I interact with and visit every year. Like Jo'burg today!!

In Turkey, girls wearing scarves are working in corporates. Side by side with those who do not wear them. But Hijab is another thing. Do not mix. One of my Turkish friends has quite an opinion about the Andulasians/Syrian origin situation in Istanbul. But I will let that go.

 

[Developereo]

Mate, what I get from you subtle hints, a little here and a little there, is that you're ultimately rooting for Sharia law to be implemented in Pakistan, maybe not the label, however, the content of it?

No, I am looking for an outcome that respects the democratic process while preserving the rights of all Pakistani citizens. Each society enacts laws that reflect its cultural pulse. Woman can walk around topless in Vancouver, but not in Alabama.

If the Sharia label makes conservatives happy, good. I, frankly, don't care if the laws came from Muslim, Hindu, or whatever background. Like I wrote, I am more interested in the content than the labeling.

What you are saying illustrates the toxic nature of the debate in Pakistan, and why the moderate view is rejected by both sides: one side views it as collusion with mullahs, and the other sees it as foreign-backed meddling.

 

[Hyperion]

No, I am looking for an outcome that respects the democratic process while preserving the rights of all Pakistani citizens. Each society enacts laws that reflect its cultural pulse. Woman can walk around topless in Vancouver, but not in Alabama.

If the Sharia label makes conservatives happy, good. I, frankly, don't care if the laws came from Muslim, Hindu, or whatever background. Like I wrote, I am more interested in the content than the labeling.

Finally we agree to a certain degree (minus the bolded part). For a moment you gave me a heart-attack.

 

[Zulkarneyn]

LoL, when were you last there? Shut up and stop assuming. I have no need to explain my understanding of that culture or one of the many that I interact with and visit every year. Like Jo'burg today!!

In Turkey, girls wearing scarves are working in corporates. Side by side with those who do not wear them. But Hijab is another thing. Do not mix. One of my Turkish friends has quite an opinion about the Andulasians/Syrian origin situation in Istanbul. But I will let that go.

Hijab and scarv is the same thing btw

 

[ajtr]

Ive no problem with your hijab.but the problem arises when over zealous men/women try to impose it on others Like this one lady lecturer was intimidated to wear hijab to college in minority institution in west Bengal.

 

[Hyperion]

Hijab and scarv is the same thing btw

Mate, you do owe me an apology!

 

[Developereo]

Finally we agree to a certain degree (minus the bolded part). For a moment you gave me a heart-attack.

Emphasis on the word 'label'. It is certain that ultraconservatives will not be happy unless their version of Sharia is implemented to the letter, but I believe the vast majority of the population would be happy with something that is 'inspired' by Sharia and is reasonably conservative to reflect society's values.

That is the battle: to win the majority's support and take the steam out of the extremists' agenda.

 

[Zulkarneyn]

Mate, you do owe me an apology!

I don't think i do. But i don't bear any hard feelings for you either. You are entitled to your opinion the same way i am to mine.

 

[Hyperion]

I don't think i do. But i don't bear any hard feelings for you either. You are entitled to your opinion the same way i am to mine.

Same here! No hard feelings either. I totally GET why you felt, what you felt, as I have seen what happened in history, no need to bring that here.

Let's agree to disagree from now-onwards, no more hitting each other below the belt. Arguments are never bad, neither is debate, just don't get personal dude

 

[angeldust]

Sir when you don't know about Islam keep your mouth shut Hijab has been order of ALLAH and Muslims have followed it for past 1400 years here comes some Muslims who think all those Muslims are stupid in reality they themselves are the biggest jokers who nothing just want to talk crap Sir the Sattar in Salah is Hijab Sir that is minimum and majority agree that Niqab is farz because Surah Al Ahzab clearly refers to Niqab and when that order came its in Sahih Bukhari that no women used to get outside of his home except covering her whole body with huge Cloth and only used to see around with her one eye only

No amount of rhetorical "sirs" can guise your rudeness and innate medieval fundamentalism sir.

I have read the Quran. A version for non-believers given to me by a muslim friend. Just to see what the whole thing is all about.

I think all non-fundamentalists are agreed that it is jilbab and not niqab referred to.

 

[Hyperion]

That is the battle: to win the majority's support and take the steam out of the extremists' agenda.

If only my friend, if only...........

Your calculation on giving "space/wiggle room" to the "ultra-conservatives" is way off-the-mark, do that, they'll settle for nothing less than your soul and hide!

Your outlook for a solution to the imbroglio@Pakistan, is short-sighted and reactive at best!

 

[Developereo]

If only my friend, if only...........

Your calculation on giving "space/wiggle room" to the "ultra-conservatives" is way off-the-mark, do that, they'll settle for nothing less than your soul and hide!

Your outlook for a solution to the imbroglio@Pakistan, is short-sighted and reactive at best!

I believe that extremism begets extremism.

We are not going to solve Pakistan's battle with extremism through a civil war. Barring pathological cases like the TTP, who have to be killed, the rest of society has to be engaged in dialog. That means talking to them and listening to their legitimate concerns. Pakistan is not Sweden or Holland; we are a conservative Muslim society and people want their kids growing up in an environment that reflects their values. If they don't want nude beaches, **** and liquor shops, and hookers lounging in street-front windows, then that's what they can decide democratically.

That is a perfectly reasonable demand as long as minority rights are respected, and people who fail to understand that are also part of the problem on the other side.

Frankly, I am just as dismayed by people who have given up on Islam and believe that a society rooted in Islamic values can not be progressive and provide equal human rights to all its citizens.

 

[Contract Killer]

The very same reason Taliban Burqa law was Western problem.

State and society forcing someone to wear or not wear something...... Same as taliban....



110% agree....

laws should give women freedom....if they are forced to wear hijab by family or someone and they dont want to then law should intervene and give protection and shelter to the women..... If someone is wearing it because she believes in it as right dresscode then law should respect that.

Whatever you say........ but majority of women wearing hijab is not by choice. But by force from there male family members.

And they cannot express this in open society. As they will get beating at home.

If at all, any census or opinion poll on this is to be done, i would suggest is shd be thru secret voting. And world will know the truth about the pain behind the veil.

 

[Hyperion]

I believe that extremism begets extremism.

We are not going to solve Pakistan's battle with extremism through a civil war. Barring pathological cases like the TTP, who have to be killed, the rest of society has to be engaged in dialog. That means talking to them and listening to their legitimate concerns. Pakistan is not Sweden or Holland; we are a conservative Muslim society and people want their kids growing up in an environment that reflects their values. That is a perfectly reasonable demand as long as minority rights are respected, and people who fail to understand that are also part of the problem on the other side.

Developereo, I agree with you that we are a conservative muslim society. My stance is that "we never changed", so why the need to find another equilibrium. When were we ever Westernized?

You're looking for a new equilibrium, which in-fact does not exist!

Think of it like this: Pakistan in 1975, do you like the view???? Or would you prefer a modded and further polarized version of Pakistan in 2012 (minus the TTP arsewipes)?

 

[Contract Killer]

There has to be equal right for Women in this world. Religion shd not come in between.