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It should be apparent to everyone that military technology is advancing very rapidly in China. Examples include DF-5B MIRVed warheads, WU-14 hypersonic glide vehicle (HGV), PL-10 AAM, etc.

The question is why? Over the last five years, the pace has quickened dramatically. I think there are five reasons.

1. China has a booming economy that provides plentiful resources.

We saw this same phenomenon with the United States back in the 1960s. After World War II, the United States was the world's largest exporter and had huge trade surpluses. The US merchandise trade surplus did not end until 1975. (Source: https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/statistics/historical/gands.pdf )
During the boom years of the 1960s, the US built the Mach 3 SR-71 and Saturn V rocket.

Since China has an annual merchandise trade surplus of $500 billion, we are seeing a similar effect. There appears to be almost unlimited funds to develop Chinese military technologies.

2. China has recovered from the Cultural Revolution (1966-1976). Mao made a big mistake when he banished China's smartest and brightest to the countryside. Obviously, exceptions were made for the nuclear and rocketry programs. However, China's aircraft design made no progress for ten years. A lot of the expertise in military technology was lost.

After spending 40 years to recover and rebuild its technological base, China has rectified the problem. In fact, China awards prizes to scientists for outstanding achievement in recognition of their contribution to China's national security. Modern China values its scientists and engineers.

3. China has acquired the necessary tools to pursue high technology. In 1993, President Bill Clinton agreed to sell an $8 million supercomputer to China. Twenty years later, China builds its own billion-dollar supercomputers. Without the sophisticated computer modeling on supercomputers, it is almost impossible to develop cutting-edge military technology.

Also, China has micron-level CNC machine tools. It is impossible to build high-performance aircraft without CNC machine tools.

For example, the European Eurofighter has a tolerance of 70 microns in its construction.

Eurofighter Production
"Several large engineering production machines are now installed or projected to be used at Samlesbury. These include four Advanced Contouring Machines (ACM), two five-axis machining centres (FAM), an advanced 10-axis, gantry-type V4 Contour Tape Laying (CTL) machine. The levels of production accuracy required are astounding, panels and fittings have tolerances equal to 70 microns. This means that parts taken from one aircraft will fit any another, without modification, as was common practice on previous aircraft."

4. Competition within China is spurring the furious pace of military technology. China has two prominent aircraft manufacturers. Chengdu builds the J-10 and J-20. Shenyang builds the J-11B, J-15, and J-31. It's like a deathmatch. If you don't win a big defense contract, the company won't exist for much longer. Thus, Chengdu and Shenyang are constantly pushing the limits of technology to stay ahead of their competitor. This is the application of market forces to military-oriented corporations.

5. China has achieved economy of scale. Since China has become the world's second-largest economy with the world's second-largest military budget, it enables China to buy huge quantities of military equipment. This makes it economical to produce titanium parts that are used in attack helicopters and combat aircraft.

It's a virtuous cycle. China's defense industry consumes large quantities of specialized materials (e.g. titanium, composites, nickel-based superalloys, etc.). This spurs the development of new materials to supplant the existing specialized materials because there is a large demand. This pushes China's material science forward.

In conclusion, the five forces that are accelerating China's military technology will become more pronounced in the foreseeable future. We should expect more dramatic military advancements in China.
 
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90s. In 80s, Chinese has no money.
All because of a little shift of foreign policy, military modernization has just became one of china's priority,after Deng's reform and opening up, “韬光养晦(Keeping a Low Profile)” has being the fundamental principle and guideline for the national strategy, meaning self restraint, everything give way to economics. it has little to do with money, china never lack of talents and knowledge, even in the poorest period. heck, even North Korean has better missile technology than South Korean. After Deng Xiaoping set the “24 character” guideline for China’s foreign policy", military was put in the bottom of china's priority list, many radar and nuke-sub experts ended up working for household appliances companies to design things like micro-wave oven and air-con, that's why the west keep saying Huawei has military background. Now because of the increasingly complicated geo political environment,it's time to liberate the Peoples's Liberation Army.

Revising Deng’s Foreign Policy | The Diplomat
By M. Taylor Fravel
January 17, 2012
At the end of December, the Jiefangjun Bao, the official paper of the People's Liberation, carried a brief article on page three of the print edition – with a small revelation about a key principle of China’s foreign policy. The article described a speech delivered by Gen. Ma Xiaotian, Deputy Chief of the General Staff of the PLA, to the China Institute for International Strategic Studies, a PLA-affiliated think tank in Beijing.

As reported, Ma’s remarks contained standard boilerplate for a year-end review: “China’s overall security environment was favorable,” but “will continue to undergo complicated and profound changes.” What came next, however, was unexpected. Ma used a revised version of the last eight characters of Deng Xiaoping’s famous “24 character” guideline for China’s foreign policy from the early 1990s: “keep a low profile and achieve something” (taoguang yanghui, yousuo zuowei). The reformulated version states that China should “uphold (jianchi) keeping a low profile and actively (jiji) achieve something.”

Ma’s use of Deng’s revised guideline in an official Chinese newspaper is important for several reasons.


First, it provides, in print, confirmation that Deng’s long-standing guidance has, in fact, been revised. President Hu Jintao made this revision to Deng’s guideline in the summer of 2009, but because it was the subject of significant debate, the revised text rarely appears in official media sources.

Second, despite media reports of the growing influence of the military in Chinese politics, Ma’s use of the revised foreign policy guideline reveals the consensus between party and military leaders on questions of basic policy principles, including foreign policy.

Third, it highlights the problem of using only English-language media from China. Although the use of the revised phrase is quite apparent in the Chinese version of the report, it’s translated in the English version as “keeping a low profile and making a difference” – suggesting that the guideline hadn’t been revised.

(For an excellent scholarly study of Deng’s guideline, see “Lying Low No More? China's New Thinking on the Tao Guang Yang Hui Strategy,” by Chen Dingdigng and Wang Jianwei from the University of Macao in the Fall 2011 issue of China: An International Journal)
 
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Sum everything up with one word: Money

China has the second largest R&D budget in the world, as well as the second (some sources say largest) economy in the world. It has the largest manufacturing sector along with abundance of people who received higher education. It wasn't a matter of if, but a matter of when.
 
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It should be apparent to everyone that military technology is advancing very rapidly in China. Examples include DF-5B MIRVed warheads, WU-14 hypersonic glide vehicle (HGV), PL-10 AAM, etc.

The question is why? Over the last five years, the pace has quickened dramatically. I think there are five reasons.

1. China has a booming economy that provides plentiful resources.

We saw this same phenomenon with the United States back in the 1960s. After World War II, the United States was the world's largest exporter and had huge trade surpluses. The US merchandise trade surplus did not end until 1975. (Source: https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/statistics/historical/gands.pdf )
During the boom years of the 1960s, the US built the Mach 3 SR-71 and Saturn V rocket.

Since China has an annual merchandise trade surplus of $500 billion, we are seeing a similar effect. There appears to be almost unlimited funds to develop Chinese military technologies.

2. China has recovered from the Cultural Revolution (1966-1976). Mao made a big mistake when he banished China's smartest and brightest to the countryside. Obviously, exceptions were made for the nuclear and rocketry programs. However, China's aircraft design made no progress for ten years. A lot of the expertise in military technology was lost.



After spending 40 years to recover and rebuild its technological base, China has rectified the problem. In fact, China awards prizes to scientists for outstanding achievement in recognition of their contribution to China's national security. Modern China values its scientists and engineers.

3. China has acquired the necessary tools to pursue high technology. In 1993, President Bill Clinton agreed to sell an $8 million supercomputer to China. Twenty years later, China builds its own billion-dollar supercomputers. Without the sophisticated computer modeling on supercomputers, it is almost impossible to develop cutting-edge military technology.

Also, China has micron-level CNC machine tools. It is impossible to build high-performance aircraft without CNC machine tools.

For example, the European Eurofighter has a tolerance of 70 microns in its construction.

Eurofighter Production
"Several large engineering production machines are now installed or projected to be used at Samlesbury. These include four Advanced Contouring Machines (ACM), two five-axis machining centres (FAM), an advanced 10-axis, gantry-type V4 Contour Tape Laying (CTL) machine. The levels of production accuracy required are astounding, panels and fittings have tolerances equal to 70 microns. This means that parts taken from one aircraft will fit any another, without modification, as was common practice on previous aircraft."

4. Competition within China is spurring the furious pace of military technology. China has two prominent aircraft manufacturers. Chengdu builds the J-10 and J-20. Shenyang builds the J-11B, J-15, and J-31. It's like a deathmatch. If you don't win a big defense contract, the company won't exist for much longer. Thus, Chengdu and Shenyang are constantly pushing the limits of technology to stay ahead of their competitor. This is the application of market forces to military-oriented corporations.

5. China has achieved economy of scale. Since China has become the world's second-largest economy with the world's second-largest military budget, it enables China to buy huge quantities of military equipment. This makes it economical to produce titanium parts that are used in attack helicopters and combat aircraft.

It's a virtuous cycle. China's defense industry consumes large quantities of specialized materials (e.g. titanium, composites, nickel-based superalloys, etc.). This spurs the development of new materials to supplant the existing specialized materials because there is a large demand. This pushes China's material science forward.

In conclusion, the five forces that are accelerating China's military technology will become more pronounced in the foreseeable future. We should expect more dramatic military advancements in China.


6. Collapse of the Soviet Union: China took some advantages of some ex-Soviet key tech and personnels. Their contributions speeded up some key areas where China used to have much smaller research investment.
 
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Because Chinese are more war mongering than ever before!!

Look at opium war and both sino~japan wars, anyone there save the millions Chinese from being slaughtered? No, they are left to fend for themselves. This is why china needed military power to prevent another such massacre from happening. China is a large country and looking at its population, its modern fighters, ships, tanks quantities still need more.

If you're from India, you probably don't know what massacre means. Look at Tamil tigers in Sri Lanka, the druglord terrorists were funded by Indians, luckily the sri lankan military forces won killing of the rebels and ended the public agony and fear forever. At least China doesn't fund terrorist, it only produce and sell weapons like Russia, US, France, etc. Just you phobia and blame China.
 
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propaganda is accelerating.
Huh, funny, your country boast about projects on paper or ppt and never materialize them or show off your humiliating failure like LCA and Arjun yet you have the guts to call our solid progress propaganda, you can't make the same propaganda simpliy because you have nothing to tell, only countries like US or Russia or China can public their advanced projects as you called propaganda.

Because Chinese are more war mongering than ever before!!
War mongering? Ah right we are war mongering and so what? We are war mongering simpily because we CAN as US go to war simplily because they can.
 
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Huh, funny, your country boast about projects on paper or ppt and never materialize them or show off your humiliating failure like LCA and Arjun yet you have the guts to call our solid progress propaganda, you can't make the same propaganda simpliy because you have nothing to tell, only countries like US or Russia or China can public their advanced projects as you called propaganda.


War mongering? Ah right we are war mongering and so what? We are war mongering simpily because we CAN as US go to war simplily because they can.
For the record, the LCA is a 90% foreign aircraft by value (not volume).

People keep saying the LCA is Indian. They have entire threads dedicated to the LCA in the Indian sub-forum. However, it's actually a foreign jet fighter. I think it belongs in the threads on US or European military technology.
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Adding British air-to-air refueling probe and nose cone to "Indian" LCA/Tejas foreign content

The foreign content of the LCA/Tejas depends on how you measure it. If you measure by volume, the foreign content is significantly less than 90% because the Indian composite panels (used in the wings), landing gear, and tires take up a lot of room.

If you measure by value, the "Indian" LCA/Tejas is 90% foreign:

1. American GE F414 engine
2. Israeli Elta EL/M-2032 multi-mode radar
3. Israeli Elbit-furnished DASH helmet-mounted display and sight (HMDS)
4. French Sextant multi-function displays (MFDs)
5. British Martin-Baker zero-zero ejection seat
6. Israeli Rafael laser Litening Targeting Pods (which is derived from American Northrop Grumman technology)
7. Russian GSh-23 cannon
8. Russian/Israeli missiles
9. French Sagem SIGMA 95N ring-laser gyroscope
10. British BAE Systems ship-sets of actuators (at $2 million each) for LCA/Tejas
11. Canadian canopy sheath
12. British air-to-air refueling probe (source: The New Indian Express, see below)
13. British nose cone (source: The New Indian Express, see below)

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LCA's Certification to be Slightly Delayed - The New Indian Express

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China already had its own supercomputer in 1990.

Thanks to Billz at AsiaWind (and PDF member GPit's citation) for noting that China already had its own supercomputer by 1990 (see below). This means the US supercomputer sale announcement in 1993 was not that important.

China built its own supercomputers in the late 1980's.

Upon its completion, nuclear scientists used it to design miniaturization of China's nuclear weapons.


Primary Source (Physics Today): The Chinese nuclear tests, 1964–1996

外国人看中国核力量:1964-1996(文章引自Physics Today 2008,第9期)

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For the record, the LCA is a 90% foreign aircraft by value (not volume).

People keep saying the LCA is Indian. They have entire threads dedicated to the LCA in the Indian sub-forum. However, it's actually a foreign jet fighter. I think it belongs in the threads on US or European military technology.
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Adding British air-to-air refueling probe and nose cone to "Indian" LCA/Tejas foreign content

The foreign content of the LCA/Tejas depends on how you measure it. If you measure by volume, the foreign content is significantly less than 90% because the Indian composite panels (used in the wings), landing gear, and tires take up a lot of room.

If you measure by value, the "Indian" LCA/Tejas is 90% foreign:

1. American GE F414 engine
2. Israeli Elta EL/M-2032 multi-mode radar
3. Israeli Elbit-furnished DASH helmet-mounted display and sight (HMDS)
4. French Sextant multi-function displays (MFDs)
5. British Martin-Baker zero-zero ejection seat
6. Israeli Rafael laser Litening Targeting Pods (which is derived from American Northrop Grumman technology)
7. Russian GSh-23 cannon
8. Russian/Israeli missiles
9. French Sagem SIGMA 95N ring-laser gyroscope
10. British BAE Systems ship-sets of actuators (at $2 million each) for LCA/Tejas
11. Canadian canopy sheath
12. British air-to-air refueling probe (source: The New Indian Express, see below)
13. British nose cone (source: The New Indian Express, see below)

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LCA's Certification to be Slightly Delayed - The New Indian Express

7CXWj3z.jpg
LCA is not a successful projet yet, that's ture, but every country had failure projects from the begining, it's not horrible. Indian scientists and engineers can harvest experiences and technology progress a lot from the LCA projet(even if it failed eventually) and benifit future projects. It is those scientists and engineers who materialized the solid truth that carry on India‘s advancing and make India a respected competitor, not those who brag about paper/ppt projects or glorify a failure and sour grapes about others' prograss as "propaganda" or "war mongering".
 
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Deng had cut off a lot of military projects, and it made a recovery until Jiang's era.

China has made a lot of progress in the aircraft technology during Mao's era, but it was Deng who cut all the fund.

Shanghai Y-10 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Priorities man! They cut off funding to develop industries and economy. Or else you would have been a large version of North Korea.

I am sure North Korea spends a hell lot of its money on military.
 
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6. Collapse of the Soviet Union: China took some advantages of some ex-Soviet key tech and personnels. Their contributions speeded up some key areas where China used to have much smaller research investment.


7. Intelligence quotient ...

(or this is the one reason behind the five reasons listed by @Martian2)
 
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