Why is Iran so anti isreal?

[Don Jaguar]

I hate palestinians ! we help them but they hate us !!!

Because we are Iranian & they are ARAB !!!

Palestinians don't like Pakistanis either.

But i don't know the reason.

 

[Hasbara Buster]

I hate palestinians ! we help them but they hate us !!!

Because we are Iranian & they are ARAB !!!

I don't think all Palestinians hate you and me because we aren't Arab. But you are partly right, nationalism and racism is like cancer. We have to admit though that there are also Iranian and Turkish nationalists who hate Arabs. Does that mean all Turks and Iranians are anti-Arab?

Because politeness with aggressors wont change anything either. "Mr. Thief, thank you for stopping by to steal my things, would you want a tea while you rob me?"

Yeah, they expect people and countries to thank them for overthrowing their government, imposing sanctions, threatening, invading, plundering, meddling in their internal affairs, spreading lies and propaganda constantly etc.

 

[RuheTag]

IMO -

All the current dispute between Iran and Israel is flamed by Iran. The Iranian desire for nuclear weapons is provoking Israel. While as a common man ethic we can say that Iran has the right to have nuclear weapons but in in real world politics it is not like this. Every country looks at its potentional enemy's capability and intentions both. Now Iran does not has any direct dispute with Israel, still Iran continuelly denounces Israel and its right to exist. These are pretty serious and strong words coming out the mouth of a president of a prominent state. Iran has no justification on its own for these provocation except that it sympathies with Palastinians. Almost all of the Muslims states and many non-Muslims states sympathize with the Palestinians in order to solve the problem there but they do not get themselves in to the conflict. This provocation is obviously not a step to solution palastinian dispute but makes even more complex to solve.

Iranian govt's desire to seek nuclear weapons is obviously aimed at Israel and project itself a regional power dominating Sunni arabs and to bully the West, and the same time Iranian leadership keeps its intentions towards Israel no secret. In such a situation, for Israel there is a country calling for its destruction while trying to posses nuclear weapons, which should do more than just raising some eyebrows in Israel. Every country that develops nuclear weapons or a military might has any of two or both of these objectives :-

1) to build a deterence against a percieved/potential power enemy
2) to project itself as an responsible regional or global power to gain more leverage in regional and world politics.

There are no clear right and wrongs, it is upto the rest of the world who decides wether any of these two demands are genuine and they emerging military might of the said country is not a threat to anybody and is a responsbile state to hold such power.

Pakistan, for example, had only one oppertunity to conduct nuclear tests by not provoking any global power and getting somewhat approval from some parts of world, by conducting the nuclear tests AFTER India did. Had Pakistan not conducted the nuclear tests during those days (in 1998), I think it would have been pretty difficult to do them later.

India, had theoratically two powerful enemies around it so nobody other than these enemies saw this as a threat.

In Iranian case, none of these conditions hold. Iranian Mullah Govt. has demonstrated themselves to be religious nutters by unnecessarily provoking Israel, isolating themselves in the region and world, providing aid to militant groups like Hamas (which is one of the obstacles in any peace process in palastine) , supports Hezbollah which started a war with Israel in 2006, continues to export its Shia version of Islam, which makes its neighbours threatened, e.g. Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, etc).

The question on why does Irani govt. is bent on isolating itself and provoking west, IMO, can have two main reasons. 1) In order to keep people united inside the country behind the regime, they would want to have all the 'enemies of God' threatening Iran. 2) They would forcibly want to export their Shia version of Islam around in the middleeast and shape the middleast they way they want.
Both of these main reasons are quite evident IMO. They have been trying to bring Shias in control in Iraq (and they have been succesful to large extent), bring (and keep) Northern Allaince in control in Afghanistan, keep Hezbollah Power as a proxy in Lebanon, keep extremists (Hamas) in Palastinians strong so that this dispute never dies, covertly threaten Saudi Arabia with a Shia-Revolution, etc.

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[The SC]

Why just Iran? Israel started the verbal war and Iran responded in like.
And here is something else to meditate upon:


What World-famous Men have said About the Jews:

Introduction

The Jews are the only people in the world who have found hostility in every country in which they settled in any numbers. The big question is -- WHY?

Today it is taught in the schools that "Anti-Semitism" began in Germany in the 1930s after which they were deported. What is not studied is the fact that at one time or other the Jews have been expelled from every nation in Europe! When the Jews first began to immigrate to America the early colonialists in New York, Charleston and Savannah tried to ban their entry. Benjamin Franklin pleaded with the members of the Continental Congress to enter a specific ban against Jewish immigration into the U. S. Constitution to bar them for all time to come.

The Jews claim that they are "only" a religion. The truth is that the Jews are a RACE. Less than 30% are members of any Synagogue. Whether they are Orthodox religious, atheists, capitalists or communists -- they still claim to be Jews -- members of the Jewish race! Every race has inherited traits. In the case of the Jews they include trading, money-changing, usury, and a loathing for "productive labor" which is scorned as beneath the dignity of the Jews in their "bible" called "THE TALMUD."

The Jews have not changed since the days when Jesus Christ took up a whip and drove "the money changers out of the Temple." Jews have always united to form monopolies. Today they control all the department store chains and specialty shops along with the lucrative jewelry and animal fur trade. Jews dominate the fields of all precious metals such as gold, silver, platinum, tin, lead, etc. They will always ban together to drive Gentile competitors out of business.

Today America is being flooded with Jewish immigrants from Russia and even 20,000 per year leave Israel for the U. S. -- all with dollar signs in their eyes. Jews have used their vaunted money-power to seize control of the Democratic Party and constitute over 50% of all its financial contributions. Today they are buying up more and more major U. S. companies. While only 3% of the population, the Jews control over 25% of the nation's wealth and this percentage rises every year. They are the only racial group totally organized to work for political domination over America.

Opposition to the Jews did not begin in Germany but dates back before the birth of Christ over 2,000 years ago! Study the statements made by "The world's greatest men." They reveal why the "wandering Jews" have made enemies out of every host country that ever accepted them.

What World-famous Men have said About the Jews




109 Locations whence Jews have been Expelled since AD250

YEAR . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .PLACE

250 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Carthage
415 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Alexandria
554 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Diocèse of Clermont (France)
561 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Diocèse of Uzès (France)
612 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visigoth Spain
642 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visigoth Empire
855 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Italy
876 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sens
1012 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz
1182 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France
1182 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Germany
1276 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Upper Bavaria
1290 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - England
1306 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France
1322 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France (again)
1348 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Switzerland
1349 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hielbronn (Germany)
1349 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Saxony
1349 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hungary
1360 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hungary
1370 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Belgium
1380 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Slovakia
1388 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Strasbourg
1394 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Germany
1394 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France
1420 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lyons
1421 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Austria
1424 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Fribourg
1424 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Zurich
1424 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Cologne
1432 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Savoy
1438 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz
1439 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Augsburg
1442 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Netherlands
1444 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Netherlands
1446 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bavaria
1453 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France
1453 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Breslau
1454 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wurzburg
1462 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz
1483 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz
1484 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Warsaw
1485 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Vincenza (Italy)
1492 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spain
1492 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Italy
1495 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lithuania
1496 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Naples
1496 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Portugal
1498 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Nuremberg
1498 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Navarre
1510 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brandenberg
1510 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prussia
1514 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Strasbourg
1515 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Genoa
1519 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Regensburg
1533 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Naples
1541 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Naples
1542 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague & Bohemia
1550 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Genoa
1551 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bavaria
1555 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pesaro
1557 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague
1559 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Austria
1561 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague
1567 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wurzburg
1569 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Papal States
1571 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brandenburg
1582 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Netherlands
1582 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hungary
1593 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brandenburg, Austria
1597 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Cremona, Pavia & Lodi
1614 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Frankfort
1615 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Worms
1619 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Kiev
1648 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Ukraine
1648 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Poland
1649 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hamburg
1654 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Little Russia (Beylorus)
1656 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lithuania
1669 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Oran (North Africa)
1669 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Vienna
1670 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Vienna
1712 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sandomir
1727 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Russia
1738 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wurtemburg
1740 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Little Russia (Beylorus)
1744 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague, Bohemia
1744 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Slovakia
1744 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Livonia
1745 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Moravia
1753 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Kovad (Lithuania)
1761 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bordeaux
1772 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Deported to the Pale of Settlement (Poland/Russia)
1775 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Warsaw
1789 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Alsace
1804 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Villages in Russia
1808 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Villages & Countrysides (Russia)
1815 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lbeck & Bremen
1815 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Franconia, Swabia & Bavaria
1820 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bremen
1843 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Russian Border Austria & Prussia
1862 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Areas in the U.S. under General Grant's Jurisdiction[1]
1866 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Galatz, Romania
1880s - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Russia
1891 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Moscow
1919 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bavaria (foreign born Jews)
1938-45 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Nazi Controlled Areas
1948 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Arab Countries

Reference sources for the above.

[1] On December 17, 1862, General Ulysses Grant wrote to the Assistant Adjutant General of the US Army:

"I have long since believed that in spite of all the vigilance that can be infused into post commanders, the specie regulations of the Treasury Department have been violated, and that mostly by the Jews and other unprincipled traders. So well satisfied have I been of this that I instructed the commanding officer at Columbus to refuse all permits to Jews to come South, and I have frequently had them expelled from the department. But they come in with their carpet-sacks in spite of all that can be done to prevent it. The Jews seem to be a privileged class that can travel anywhere. They will land at any woodyard on the river and make their way through the country. If not permitted to buy cotton themselves, they will act as agents for someone else, who will be at a military post with a Treasury permit to receive cotton and pay for it in Treasury notes which the Jew will buy at an agreed rate, paying gold."

Also, on December 17, 1862, General Ulysses S. Grant issued General Orders No. 11. This order banished all Jews from Tennessee's western military.

General Orders No. 11 declared: "1. The Jews, as a class, violating every regulation of trade established by the Treasury Department, are hereby expelled from the Department.

"2. Within 24 hours from the receipt of this order by Post Commanders, they will see that all of this class of people are furnished with passes required to leave, and anyone returning after such notification, will be arrested and held in confinement until an opportunity occurs of sending them out as prisoners, unless furnished with permits from these headquarters.

"3. No permits will be given these people to visit headquarters for the purpose of making personal application for trade permits.

"By order of Major Gen. Grant.

109 Locations whence Jews have been Expelled since AD250


What some prominent Jews have said:

Menachem Begin (was an Israeli politician, founder of Likud and the sixth Prime Minister of the State of Israel. Former prime minister of Israel:

"OUR RACE IS THE MASTER RACE. WE ARE DIVINE GODS ON THIS PLANET. WE ARE AS DIFFERENT FROM THE INFERIOR RACES AS THEY ARE FROM INSECTS. IN FACT, COMPARED TO OUR RACE, OTHER RACES ARE BEASTS AND ANIMALS, CATTLE AT BEST. OTHER RACES ARE CONSIDERED AS HUMAN EXCREMENT. OUR DESTINY IS TO RULE OVER THE INFERIOR RACES. OUR EARTHLY KINGDOM WILL BE RULED BY OUR LEADER WITH A ROD OF IRON. THE MASSES WILL LICK OUR FEET AND SERVE US AS OUR SLAVES."


Jewish Ambassador from Austria to London, Count Mensdorf, 1918:

"Israel won the war [WW I]; we made it; we thrived on it; we profited from it. It was our supreme revenge on Christianity."


Ari Shavit, Ha’aretz News Service (Israel) April 5, 2003

"The war in Iraq was conceived by 25 neoconservatives, most of them Jewish, who are pushing President Bush to change the course of history."

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So, I am speechless...

 

[Serpentine]

IMO -

All the current dispute between Iran and Israel is flamed by Iran. The Iranian desire for nuclear weapons is provoking Israel. While as common man ethic we can say that Iran has the right to have nuclear weapons but in in world politics it is not like this. Every country looks at its potentional enemy's capability and intentions both. Now Iran does not has any direct dispute with Israel, Iran continuelly denounces Israel and its right to exist. These are pretty serious and strong words coming out the mouth of a president of a prominent state. Iran has no justification on its own for these provocation except that it sympathies with Palastinians.

Iranian govt's desire to seek nuclear weapons is obviously aimed at Israel, and the same time when Iranian leadership keeps its intentions towards Israel no secret. In such a situation, for Israel there is a country calling for its destruction while trying to posses nuclear weapons, which should do more than just raising eyebrows in Israel. Every country that develops nuclear weapons or a military might has any of two or both of these objectives :-

1) to build a deterence against a percieved/potential power enemy
2) to project itself as an responsible regional or global power to gain more leverage in regional and world politics.

There are no clear right and wrongs, it is upto the rest of the world who decides wether any of these two demands are genuine and they emerging military might of the said country is not a threat to anybody and is a responsbile state to hold such power.

Pakistan, for example, had only one oppertunity to conduct tests by not provoking any global power or getting somewhat approval from some parts of world, by conducting tests AFTER India did. Had Pakistan not conducted tests during those days, I think it would have been pretty difficult to do them later.

India, had theoratically two powerful enemies around it so nobody other than these enemies saw this as a threat.

In Iranian case, none of this conditions hold. Iranian Mullah Govt. has demonstrated themselves to be religious nutters by unneccasirly provoking Israel, providing aid to militant groups like Hamas (which is one of the obstacles in any peace process in palastine) , supports Hezbollah which started a war with Israel in 2006, continues to export its Shia version of Islam, which makes its neighbours threatened, e.g. Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, etc).

The question on why does Irani govt. is bent on isolating itself and provoking west, IMO, can have two main reasons. 1) In order to keep people united inside the country, they would want to have all the 'enemies of God' threatening Iran. 2) They would forcibly want to export their Shia version of Islam around in the middleeast.
Both of these main reasons are quite evident IMO. They have been trying to bring Shias in control in Iraq (and they have been succesful to large extent), bring (and keep) Northern Allaince in control in Afghanistan, keep Hezbollah Power as a proxy in Lebanon, keep extremists (Hamas) in Palastinians strong so that this dispute never dies, covertly threaten Saudi Arabia with a Shia-Revolution, etc.

....

How much are you paid to type all this bs and lies?
Just take a look at what you have written,even a 2 years old thinks in a more sane way.

 

[SOHEIL]

How much are you paid to type all this bs and lies?
Just take a look at what you have written,even a 2 years old thinks in a more sane way.

50CENT

 

[RuheTag]

How much are you paid to type all this bs and lies?
Just take a look at what you have written,even a 2 years old thinks in a more sane way.

Nobody paid me..

So this is your intellect to respond to an opinion with which you dont agree? you are resorting at first to personal attacks. Are you a soon to be suicide bomber or or some stupid fanatic with empty skull who only knows and understands violence or maybe a rented thug of Iranian mullahs?

Anyways, I am not gonna argue with you, the reason is written in my signature.

 

[SOHEIL]

Never argue with idiots, they will drag you down to their level and beat you by their experience !!!

@ RuheTag

you beat me by your experience

 

[Serpentine]

Nobody paid me..

So this your intellect to respond to an opinion with which you dont agree? you are resorting at first to personal attacks. Are you a soon to be suicide bomber or or some stupid fanatic with empty skull who only knows and understands violence or a rented thug of Iranian mullahs?

Anyways, I am not gonna argue with you, the reason is written in my signature.

No I'm not a suicide bomber,but it seems you are.
There wasn't any better way to respond you,when you can't write anything but lies,what wlse you expect me to do?Send you flowers?
To argue about just one those BS you have written,do you have any proof that Iran is making nukes?Ot just one of those lies you read on Debka junk or Foxnews?

 

[RuheTag]

No I'm not a suicide bomber,but it seems you are.
There wasn't any better way to respond you,when you can't write anything but lies,what wlse you expect me to do?Send you flowers?
To argue about just one those BS you have written,do you have any proof that Iran is making nukes?Ot just one of those lies you read on Debka junk or Foxnews?

respond with whatever your 'mind' dictates you, but you are not worth of a discussion. I did not write above paragraphs of my opinion for you, if you are feeling insulted by that.

 

[Hasbara Buster]

A brainwashed westernized Pakistani from Germany. Cool.

 

[Gaara]

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I have had lot of interaction with Iranian's [ one of my high school friends was Iranian ] and I am struck by their intelligence, their sophisticated culture and savvy nature.

However what I can't quite figure out is why is Iran so rabidly against Isreal? I know the same applies in Pakistan [ although our government is subdued in regards to Isreal ] but here we do have mass illiteracy, ignorance and the medieval Mullah.

But Iran? I mean I can appreciate that many people can see the injustice of Isreali occupation etc of Palestine but Iran appears to take a tougher stand against Isreal than even the Arabs. The Arabs show appreciation to Iran by suggesting to American's to 'cut off the snakes head'.

Iran however has paid dearly for this anti-Isreali posture. Sanctions, economic hardship etc. Although Iran is doing fine but considering it has massive oil wealth, a educated populace it should be a economic powerhouse by now. That has not happened because of anti-Isreali policy of Iran and all those crippling sanctions.

I know US and UK have played dirty in Iranian history going back to Dr. Mossadeq days but 30 years after the revolution you would expect US-Iranians relations to have thawed but they have not because of the Isreali angle.

So why does Iran choose to shoot itself in the foot?

Iranians are not anti-Israel, the mullahs are. They need a tool to keep whole country together and united. And I am not sure if Israelis understand this. Becuase if they did, they would stop talking about "air strikes against Iran" and let the people of Iran do the work. If Israelis hadn't followed such politics against Iran, Arap Spring would have already visited Iran, too.

 

[SOHEIL]

A brainwashed westernized Pakistani from Germany. Cool.

brainfart

 

[regular]

Looks like The Jews have some problem with their race. Inspite of their brilliance and intelligence they are infact cursed by God . Thats why they find no permanent place to live or hide.....

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Oh and did you know your dog has even bited yourself too, you bright kid?

USS Liberty incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Atanz, now please say how we can be friend with such govt which has even bited its master?
And if we support Israel then what would be the difference between Iran and those coward traitors in GCC who are in bed with Israel for example?

I am not saying that Isreal had any moral right to come into existance on lands belonging to the Palestinians. I have had many debates with my English friends and pointed out the contradiction in creation of Isreal.

For a start how can a people make a claim on a land because of their religion when they are in fact Germans, Poles, Ukrainians, Latvians etc. Even if you could establish a direct link between a blond haired, blue eyed German Jew living in 1940s Germany to ancient Isreal that link after 2,000 years would be so residuel that it would have expired by now and thus invalid.

If that 2,000 years claim was upheld as valid then can you imagine the disaster we would face in the world? 99% of modern day Americans would have to pack bags and head back for Europe and hand the land over to the original Native Americans.

I accept Isreal's existance is affront to humanity and amoral. I read a book by the late Edward Said where he says of Isreal "A European problem - That is the inability of Christian and Jewish European's to live togather was resolved by making it a Arab problem". I think that about sums it. I accept that Jews had suffered in Europe and in particular at the hands of Germans but the justified and proper way to go about it was to carve out a Isreali state in Germany. That would have been moral and justified compensation. Instead the wrong done by Germans was compensated by Palestinians. There is something sickingly disgusting about that.

However the reality Takaavar, today is Isreal does exist. My view [ coming from a country that is your neighbour ] is that I wish Iran had reached it's potential. A bright people, ancient civilization, educated populace, sophisticated culture and with massive oil wealth should by now have led Iran into becoming a economic giant. If that had happened Iran would have been a powerful magnet pull in the region and would have been in a far better position to have leverage over Isreal.

Look at your neighbour on the west side, Turkey. Despite no oil it got on building itself and now has a economy that probably exceeds yours. Turkey therefore increasingly is in a position to throw it's weight about as it has of late with regards Palestine. I saw what Erdogan did to Shimon Peres. Charity begins at home. get your house in order and then you are able to help your friends. Take Pakistan. We are on the brink of bankruptcy but crow on about Palestine. how can a starving beggar help anybody?

Having said this I did say that this impulse of the iranian people [ if indeed it is the majority ] is noble. Maybe this comes from Shiasm and Ali at Kerbala? Is there is strong impule within Shiasm to identify with the weak and the underdog? Could that be at some subliminal level be playing a hand in this?

Again let me stress this I am not saying Isreal is a glowing example to mankind indeed it is a wart on the human conscience but I do wish if Muslim countries followed the example of China. Focus on economy, economy and then when they are standing on firm legs to start pushing for justice. Again I reiterate Turkey as a example to follow.

If Turkey, Iran and Pakistan had got developed [ like South Korea, Taiwan etc ] you would have had a powerful economic zone from the Bosphorus to the Indus. This influence could have been used today to extract some justice for the Palestinians. Instead Iran blessed with human and natural resources has wasted it on 30 years of Western strangulation of it's economy.