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Why Indian identity would collapse without the existence of Pakistan
'India shining' vs 'failed state' Pakistan. 'Tolerant' India vs 'barbaric' Pakistan. Democratic India vs military-run Pakistan. How accurate are these portrayals?
Haroon Khalid · Yesterday · 06:30 pm
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I first visited India in 2011, a country that I had long romanticised in my imagination. I had envisioned India to be everything Pakistan is not – secular, tolerant, diverse and democratic. I remember seeing at the border, just a few metres away from the no man’s land, a board which read “India, the largest democracy in the world, welcomes you." Not far from it was a monument dedicated to the memory of millions of Punjabis on both sides who lost their lives or loved ones at the time of Partition. On the top of the Indian gate, painted in its tricolour was the emblem of India’s Republic, the four lions, which were originally used by the emperor Ashoka for his capital.

One can imagine how fascinating this must have been for a history buff. By that time I had dedicated a few years to tracing historical monuments. Only recently, I had visited the ruins of Taxila, which once served as the capital of Ashoka. I had written several articles on pre-Islamic and non-Muslim heritage of Pakistan and how that was being destroyed in the name of nationalism. There was an attitude in Pakistan that preserving non-Muslim heritage and celebrating it somehow weakened the Pakistani nationalism. Standing on the India-Pakistan border, on the other side one could see that the Indian government was keen to use emblems from its ancient history. In Pakistan the religious right was exerting that the archaeological sites of the Indus Valley should be filled with earth again as they represented thezaman-e-jahiliyah, the time of ignorance before the arrival of Islam, while in India there was a feeling that these ruins were part of the Indian heritage even if they were on the other side of the border.

What enhanced my fascination was this image of India as a secular democracy. I had grown up on Bollywood.Amar, Akbar, Anthony, the blockbuster movie from the 1970s had been one of my favourites – the story of three separated brothers, each one of them adopting a different religion but sharing the same blood. Many times during my school years I had got into arguments with my friends over the status of Muslims in India. Giving the example of Shah Rukh Khan, Salman Khan and APJ Abdul Kalam, I would assert that India provided opportunities for its minorities to thrive.

A failed state?

Conjoined with this image was that of India Shining. At the turn of the century, India was reinventing itself, emerging as a strong economic hub while Pakistan was drowning further into sectarian and religious conflict. I had no doubt that in a few years India would emerge as a major economic power. It was around this time that I started believing that Pakistan needed India for its identity more than India needed Pakistan. Having been carved out of India, Pakistan constantly needed to look east, highlighting the persecution of minorities in India to justify its creation to itself. Pakistan was obsessed with India, whereas I thought India, now that it was shining, could not care less. Over the years though, as I visited the country many more times, engaging with the intellectuals, I realised that perhaps India needed Pakistan as much as Pakistan needed India for its national identity.

My first encounter with this concept took place at a Metro station in Delhi. Waiting for the train to arrive I started talking to a young man standing next to me. “What do you do?” he asked me. “I am a journalist. What do you do?” “I am also a journalist. I focus on minority issues,” he told me. “That’s a coincidence. I too write about minorities,” I said. At that time I was working on my first book. “That’s wonderful. Let’s exchange visiting cards,” he said. The train had arrived by now and we had stepped in. His hand was in his pocket about to take out his wallet for the card. “Who do you write for?” he asked me. “For a number of Pakistani newspapers.” “Are you from Pakistan?” he asked me. He had a serious expression on his face and his hand returned from his pocket without the card. “Can I see your visa?” he said. “I am not carrying my passport.” “Can I see your press card or any other identity?” he said. I showed him my card. “You know you should be careful these days. People are suspicious of Pakistanis after the Mumbai attacks. You should carry a copy of your passport or visa. You know I don’t think I have my card right now but why don’t you give me your email and I will send you an email,” he said. He did send me an email later. He was a Muslim. Maybe he actually did not carry his card as he stated. It was clear, though, that my nationality reminded him that he had forgotten his card.

“You know Pakistan is a failed state,” he told me, as the train sped through. “And it has done this to itself. It has promoted terrorism for so long that now it has become a victim of its own actions.” He did not need to make the comparison with India. It was self-evident. Pakistan is a failed state, while India a shining country, a new Asian tiger. But are things really that simple? Had Pakistan disintegrated to such an extent that it could be called a failed state? There is no doubt that bomb blasts had become a routine at major cities of the country at that time, but had the state machinery collapsed? Given that Pakistan has survived that horrible situation and has emerged with some semblance of economic improvement goes to show that to call it a failed state would be a little harsh.

An incomplete picture

Besides, one needs to realise that the very definition of a failed state is an artificial category. Pakistan has failed as a state on many fronts – to curb terrorism, to provide shelter and food to its most vulnerable and to protect the rights of minorities, but then in other categories it was as much a functioning state as any other. Despite the horrible law and order situation, the private sector still survived, schools, hospitals and universities functioned, and people continued to live their lives in an ordinary manner. One could make a similar argument for India if one were to focus on certain aspects of the failures of the state. The Gujarat riots of 2002, farmer suicides, and the law and order situation in the North East and Kashmir are features that could identify India as a failed state. But that does not fit the broader framework of Shining India, of a secular and democratic India, as opposed to a battle-ridden, military-run Pakistan. Terror attacks and bomb attacks in India are perceived as an anomaly in the framework of shining India whereas similar attacks in Pakistan are perceived as fitting a larger narrative of Pakistan failing.

Something similar happened to me when I visited Delhi a year later for a conference. Shashi Tharoor was to make the first speech for this peace conference. It was an immaculate speech which lay the entire blame of India-Pakistan conflict on Pakistan. There was one line that stayed with me. He said, “Pakistan is a thorn on India’s back,” essentially implying that India wants to move on and progress whereas Pakistan is an irritant. I noticed a similar sentiment at the Bangalore Literature Festival that I recently visited. One of the most popular sessions at the festival was by the eminent historian Ramachandra Guha. The historian talked about how there has been a rise of Hindu fundamentalism in India similar to the rise of Islamic fundamentalism in Pakistan. One of the members of the audience asked the question that given that India is surrounded by the “fundamentalist” Pakistan and Bangladesh, isn’t it inevitable that India would become fundamentalist.

Surprisingly, Ramachandra Guha's session also tapped this concept of depicting Pakistan as the “barbarian” other to depict India as “civilised”. I am not asserting that Ramachandra Guha said these words and, perhaps, neither was this his intention, but it felt as if he was unconsciously operating under the same framework in which India tends to look at Pakistan and defines itself as a secular liberal democracy. He was talking about the freedom of speech in India and explaining how that space was diminishing. Then, casually, he mentioned that India, despite the worsening situation, is still much better than Pakistan in terms of freedom of speech.

My intention is not to defend Pakistan or assert that Pakistan has freedom of speech. Pakistan is one of the most dangerous places for journalists in the world, where dissenting opinions are often shot down or shut up in other ways. However, there are still various nuances which I feel a lot of intellectuals in India tend to overlook. There is an entire tradition of challenging the state and the establishment in Pakistan that is usually ignored when such statements are made. One needs to visit the work of people like Najam Sethi, Khalid Ahmed, Hamid Mir and Ayesha Siddiqa to understand that there is a space in Pakistan, and has always been, to challenge the establishment. There is no doubt that the situation, like in India, is changing rapidly. But the point that I am trying to make is that Pakistan is not the “barbaric” other that it is usually understood as, compared to India the “tolerant” one. The truth is both countries have more in common than they would like to admit, yet they continue to view the other as its exact opposite.

Haroon Khalid is the author, most recently, ofIn search of Shiva: a study of folk religious practices in Pakistan, andA White Trail: a journey into the heart of Pakistan’s religious minorities.
 
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:lol: This entire article is about a guy who got angry at Pakistan being called a failed state by someone he met in India, and then tries hard to do the usual Ind-Pak equal-equal that Pakis love to do.
 
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India is a artificial country with its existence based on anti Pakistan agenda.

If we stretch it further the name india is derived from indus river and indus valley civilization of Pakistan and the hindu name is derived from Sindhu(Province and People of Pakistan)

So India is nothing but a failed identity based upon Pakistan.


Indians are the biggest victim of identity crisis because they are after the indus valley civilization which they don't have any relations with except for 3% of ther Population and they disown the indigenous culture they have because somehow they have themself built the notion that Indus valley civilization is superior to the Past history they had.
 
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indian freedom of speech :woot:
some one asks this question from SRK Amir and Salman - and of course arundhati roi -
 
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India is a artificial country with its existence based on anti Pakistan agenda.

If we stretch it further the name india is derived from indus river and indus valley civilization of Pakistan and the hindu name is derived from Sindhu(Province and People of Pakistan)

So India is nothing but a failed identity based upon Pakistan.


Indians are the biggest victim of identity crisis because they are after the indus valley civilization which they don't have any relations with except for 3% of ther Population and they disown the indigenous culture they have because somehow they have themself built the notion that Indus valley civilization is superior to the Past history they had.

lol @ your logic.. India existed even before Pakistan was created. has own identity even in stone ages.
 
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indian freedom of speech :woot:
some one asks this question from SRK Amir and Salman - and of course arundhati roi -
Yeah they speaking in sitting there 7 star mansions on juhu beach most posh place in country. Enjoying 24X7 media exposure like any National leader of country have.And enjoying minority quota of being from minority community. And still feeling of getting persecution.

Don't think it will be possible in on other side of border hamid Mir is example of that
 
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India is a artificial country with its existence based on anti Pakistan agenda.

If we stretch it further the name india is derived from indus river and indus valley civilization of Pakistan and the hindu name is derived from Sindhu(Province and People of Pakistan)

So India is nothing but a failed identity based upon Pakistan.

Indians are the biggest victim of identity crisis because they are after the indus valley civilization which they don't have any relations with except for 3% of ther Population and they disown the indigenous culture they have because somehow they have themself built the notion that Indus valley civilization is superior to the Past history they had.

If Hindu is religion which existed on Sindhu river then Pakistani people are actually Hindus and you are the one actually real victims of identity crisis.

See when the division happened, Indians got India and Muslims got Pakistan. So Pakistan as a country was built on religion basis not the cultural, you still have majority of people who thinks that Pakistanis are actually Arabs, just because they don't want to be associated with Hindu culture.

But reality is very simple, that people of Pakistan are actually native Hindus but converted to Islam.
 
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Emotional rant of a kid :lol:

an identity which has been crafted by a civilization thousands of years old doesn't bother about a sixty years old nation:rofl:
 
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India is a artificial country with its existence based on anti Pakistan agenda.

If we stretch it further the name india is derived from indus river and indus valley civilization of Pakistan and the hindu name is derived from Sindhu(Province and People of Pakistan)

So India is nothing but a failed identity based upon Pakistan.


Indians are the biggest victim of identity crisis because they are after the indus valley civilization which they don't have any relations with except for 3% of ther Population and they disown the indigenous culture they have because somehow they
have themself built the notion that Indus valley civilization is superior to the Past history they had.

u r a pakistani professional and should communicate like one and not like a peasant who got no idea what he/she is talking about.

india remains in existence and is currently progressing at a faster rate than pakistan. until the 80's we were on par. pakistan could actually be said 2 be ahead of india until the 80s since we r a smaller nation with far less resources than which was given 2 india during partition. at partition the odds were stacked against pakistan. our very own quaid e ezam was initially against partition since he correctly predicted that the resources would be given in favor of india which it was. quaid e ezam was eventually convinced that partition was the best route after the hindu majority politicians refused 2 accede 2 his demands for federal autonomy for muslim majority states. therefore it wasn't our quaid e ezam who pushed for partition but the hindu majority politicians in india who left him and the muslim league with no option but 2 clamor for partition. there was a logical reason for the congress 2 do so. they believed that pakistan would not last more than 20 years, will fragment and the majority of pakistan will return 2 india, a portion 2 afghanistan and a portion will be independent. the fact that this didn't happen is something 4 pakistanis 2 celebrate and remains egg on the face of the indian establishment.

pakistan's future? pakistanis will decide whether pakistan exists and will succeed despite all the odds against it, not anybody else. as there are a small bunch of indians who demand that pakistan be dismantled and certain areas of pakistan be returned 2 india, there is a small bunch of pakistanis who demand that india suffer a thousand cuts into destruction. the majority of pakistanis however simply have no time 2 dwell on india. to them india is irrelevant since pakistan has a greater objective given its strategic location. india plays hardball over kashmir knowing that the issue of kashmir will not simply vanish. to them kashmir is a monkey trap 4 pakistan. after a long time, the pakistani establishment is playing the smarter game and is taking india on diplomatically and through the world forum. pakistan will not engage india with armed troops or proxies but will now fund kashmiri dissidents 2 highlight indian atrocities in indian occupied kashmir. the world must know how the kashmiri people are being slaughtered by india 4 simply asking for their right 2 independence or joinder with pakistan. the momentum must be maintained by pakistan without using armed proxies or troops which is what india wants and needs so badly. pakistan is a centerfold power in the islamic world courted by saudi arabia, turkey and the most powerful muslim nations. our pride of being a muslim power must not lead us into irrational decisions. we proved we can think when we refused 2 join the yemen alliance. 4 india this kind of pakistani intelligence is frightening. we can grow at a faster rate than india once we achieve internal stability. india is a huge mass of poverty and disorder. pakistan can create smart cities and reorder its states at a faster rate than india.

finally, india needs pakistan 2 be a thorn at its side. that is the reason y india is progressing in the world arena. it claims that it has a "failed muslim terrorist state" neighboring it and therefore it needs nukes and a strong military 2 contain this muslim state and 2 contain any chinese ambition. it has the world's sympathy which we must remove. once we stand as equals in the world arena, we can give india a run 4 its money
 
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Its the other way around...its Pakistan whose identity is dependent of India... Pakistan has positioned himself and Not _India for long... Pakistan is not India because its meant for Muslims... Pakistan is not India because it is run on Islamic principles as against India that is allegedly being run on Hindu Principles..
 
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u r a pakistani professional and should communicate like one and not like a peasant who got no idea what he/she is talking about.
india remains in existence and is currently progressing at a faster rate than pakistan. until the 80's we were on par. pakistan could actually be said 2 be ahead of india until the 80s
finally, india needs pakistan 2 be a thorn at its side. that is the reason y india is progressing in the world arena. it claims that it has a "failed muslim terrorist state" neighboring it and therefore it needs nukes and a strong military 2 contain this muslim state and 2 contain any chinese ambition. it has the world's sympathy which we must remove. once we stand as equals in the world arena, we can give india a run 4 its money

you are right there but to make Pakistan a great nation your youth has to uplift Pakistan , its socio economic structure and rule of law and education and health infra structure not pull India down cause most of the problems Pakistan today faces are due to its misplaced paranoia and an urge for revenge .
 
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Why Indian identity would collapse without the existence of Pakistan
'India shining' vs 'failed state' Pakistan. 'Tolerant' India vs 'barbaric' Pakistan. Democratic India vs military-run Pakistan. How accurate are these portrayals?
Haroon Khalid · Yesterday · 06:30 pm
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I first visited India in 2011, a country that I had long romanticised in my imagination. I had envisioned India to be everything Pakistan is not – secular, tolerant, diverse and democratic. I remember seeing at the border, just a few metres away from the no man’s land, a board which read “India, the largest democracy in the world, welcomes you." Not far from it was a monument dedicated to the memory of millions of Punjabis on both sides who lost their lives or loved ones at the time of Partition. On the top of the Indian gate, painted in its tricolour was the emblem of India’s Republic, the four lions, which were originally used by the emperor Ashoka for his capital.

One can imagine how fascinating this must have been for a history buff. By that time I had dedicated a few years to tracing historical monuments. Only recently, I had visited the ruins of Taxila, which once served as the capital of Ashoka. I had written several articles on pre-Islamic and non-Muslim heritage of Pakistan and how that was being destroyed in the name of nationalism. There was an attitude in Pakistan that preserving non-Muslim heritage and celebrating it somehow weakened the Pakistani nationalism. Standing on the India-Pakistan border, on the other side one could see that the Indian government was keen to use emblems from its ancient history. In Pakistan the religious right was exerting that the archaeological sites of the Indus Valley should be filled with earth again as they represented thezaman-e-jahiliyah, the time of ignorance before the arrival of Islam, while in India there was a feeling that these ruins were part of the Indian heritage even if they were on the other side of the border.

What enhanced my fascination was this image of India as a secular democracy. I had grown up on Bollywood.Amar, Akbar, Anthony, the blockbuster movie from the 1970s had been one of my favourites – the story of three separated brothers, each one of them adopting a different religion but sharing the same blood. Many times during my school years I had got into arguments with my friends over the status of Muslims in India. Giving the example of Shah Rukh Khan, Salman Khan and APJ Abdul Kalam, I would assert that India provided opportunities for its minorities to thrive.

A failed state?

Conjoined with this image was that of India Shining. At the turn of the century, India was reinventing itself, emerging as a strong economic hub while Pakistan was drowning further into sectarian and religious conflict. I had no doubt that in a few years India would emerge as a major economic power. It was around this time that I started believing that Pakistan needed India for its identity more than India needed Pakistan. Having been carved out of India, Pakistan constantly needed to look east, highlighting the persecution of minorities in India to justify its creation to itself. Pakistan was obsessed with India, whereas I thought India, now that it was shining, could not care less. Over the years though, as I visited the country many more times, engaging with the intellectuals, I realised that perhaps India needed Pakistan as much as Pakistan needed India for its national identity.

My first encounter with this concept took place at a Metro station in Delhi. Waiting for the train to arrive I started talking to a young man standing next to me. “What do you do?” he asked me. “I am a journalist. What do you do?” “I am also a journalist. I focus on minority issues,” he told me. “That’s a coincidence. I too write about minorities,” I said. At that time I was working on my first book. “That’s wonderful. Let’s exchange visiting cards,” he said. The train had arrived by now and we had stepped in. His hand was in his pocket about to take out his wallet for the card. “Who do you write for?” he asked me. “For a number of Pakistani newspapers.” “Are you from Pakistan?” he asked me. He had a serious expression on his face and his hand returned from his pocket without the card. “Can I see your visa?” he said. “I am not carrying my passport.” “Can I see your press card or any other identity?” he said. I showed him my card. “You know you should be careful these days. People are suspicious of Pakistanis after the Mumbai attacks. You should carry a copy of your passport or visa. You know I don’t think I have my card right now but why don’t you give me your email and I will send you an email,” he said. He did send me an email later. He was a Muslim. Maybe he actually did not carry his card as he stated. It was clear, though, that my nationality reminded him that he had forgotten his card.

“You know Pakistan is a failed state,” he told me, as the train sped through. “And it has done this to itself. It has promoted terrorism for so long that now it has become a victim of its own actions.” He did not need to make the comparison with India. It was self-evident. Pakistan is a failed state, while India a shining country, a new Asian tiger. But are things really that simple? Had Pakistan disintegrated to such an extent that it could be called a failed state? There is no doubt that bomb blasts had become a routine at major cities of the country at that time, but had the state machinery collapsed? Given that Pakistan has survived that horrible situation and has emerged with some semblance of economic improvement goes to show that to call it a failed state would be a little harsh.

An incomplete picture

Besides, one needs to realise that the very definition of a failed state is an artificial category. Pakistan has failed as a state on many fronts – to curb terrorism, to provide shelter and food to its most vulnerable and to protect the rights of minorities, but then in other categories it was as much a functioning state as any other. Despite the horrible law and order situation, the private sector still survived, schools, hospitals and universities functioned, and people continued to live their lives in an ordinary manner. One could make a similar argument for India if one were to focus on certain aspects of the failures of the state. The Gujarat riots of 2002, farmer suicides, and the law and order situation in the North East and Kashmir are features that could identify India as a failed state. But that does not fit the broader framework of Shining India, of a secular and democratic India, as opposed to a battle-ridden, military-run Pakistan. Terror attacks and bomb attacks in India are perceived as an anomaly in the framework of shining India whereas similar attacks in Pakistan are perceived as fitting a larger narrative of Pakistan failing.

Something similar happened to me when I visited Delhi a year later for a conference. Shashi Tharoor was to make the first speech for this peace conference. It was an immaculate speech which lay the entire blame of India-Pakistan conflict on Pakistan. There was one line that stayed with me. He said, “Pakistan is a thorn on India’s back,” essentially implying that India wants to move on and progress whereas Pakistan is an irritant. I noticed a similar sentiment at the Bangalore Literature Festival that I recently visited. One of the most popular sessions at the festival was by the eminent historian Ramachandra Guha. The historian talked about how there has been a rise of Hindu fundamentalism in India similar to the rise of Islamic fundamentalism in Pakistan. One of the members of the audience asked the question that given that India is surrounded by the “fundamentalist” Pakistan and Bangladesh, isn’t it inevitable that India would become fundamentalist.

Surprisingly, Ramachandra Guha's session also tapped this concept of depicting Pakistan as the “barbarian” other to depict India as “civilised”. I am not asserting that Ramachandra Guha said these words and, perhaps, neither was this his intention, but it felt as if he was unconsciously operating under the same framework in which India tends to look at Pakistan and defines itself as a secular liberal democracy. He was talking about the freedom of speech in India and explaining how that space was diminishing. Then, casually, he mentioned that India, despite the worsening situation, is still much better than Pakistan in terms of freedom of speech.

My intention is not to defend Pakistan or assert that Pakistan has freedom of speech. Pakistan is one of the most dangerous places for journalists in the world, where dissenting opinions are often shot down or shut up in other ways. However, there are still various nuances which I feel a lot of intellectuals in India tend to overlook. There is an entire tradition of challenging the state and the establishment in Pakistan that is usually ignored when such statements are made. One needs to visit the work of people like Najam Sethi, Khalid Ahmed, Hamid Mir and Ayesha Siddiqa to understand that there is a space in Pakistan, and has always been, to challenge the establishment. There is no doubt that the situation, like in India, is changing rapidly. But the point that I am trying to make is that Pakistan is not the “barbaric” other that it is usually understood as, compared to India the “tolerant” one. The truth is both countries have more in common than they would like to admit, yet they continue to view the other as its exact opposite.

Haroon Khalid is the author, most recently, ofIn search of Shiva: a study of folk religious practices in Pakistan, andA White Trail: a journey into the heart of Pakistan’s religious minorities.
Sir what is the behave of Hindus with Indian Muslims?What do you know about the events of Gujrat? What is the importance of Babari Mosque in your mind? What is the percentage of Indian Muslims in the civil services and armed forces in India? Do you not believe that anti Muslims groups are exist in the India along with the govt support such as VHP, RSS,BAJRANGDAL etc? You come to India as a guest pass a month or two then return your host country, you do not know about the lives of Indian Muslim and not about the Hindu Muslims relation of India. I think you have never visited those areas of your home city where Muslims live.
 
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The very idea of pakistan got submerged in bay of bengal way back in 1971. Some body should inform the author that it was pakistan which got created out of India and not the other way.
 
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Sir what is the behave of Hindus with Indian Muslims?What do you know about the events of Gujrat? What is the importance of Babari Mosque in your mind? What is the percentage of Indian Muslims in the civil services and armed forces in India? Do you not believe that anti Muslims groups are exist in the India along with the govt support such as VHP, RSS,BAJRANGDAL etc? You come to India as a guest pass a month or two then return your host country, you do not know about the lives of Indian Muslim and not about the Hindu Muslims relation of India. I think you have never visited those areas of your home city where Muslims live.

1. Sir, first thing you have no idea of what happened in Gujarat, otherwise you would have choosed to shut your mouth.

2. Babari Mosque was built on a Hindu god Ram's birth place, and there were proof that the mosque was built on demolished Temple. But still majority of Indians have condemned this incident of demolished mosque, plus majority of Hindus don't want to make temple by demolishing a mosque.

3. Too high compared to Pakistani minority, there is no comparison of India in this regard. Compare the ratio of India with any other Muslim minority country and you will see the result. Plus Muslims of India are more involved in business rather than civil services or any other organization.

4. So does Anti-Hindu, Anti-christian and Anti-Sikh, every country has such small group of people. But it is important not to give them extra publicity.

5. You have Azam khan, Akbaruddin & Assasudin Owaisi as well.
 
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1. Sir, first thing you have no idea of what happened in Gujarat, otherwise you would have choosed to shut your mouth.

2. Babari Mosque was built on a Hindu god Ram's birth place, and there were proof that the mosque was built on demolished Temple. But still majority of Indians have condemned this incident of demolished mosque, plus majority of Hindus don't want to make temple by demolishing a mosque.

3. Too high compared to Pakistani minority, there is no comparison of India in this regard. Compare the ratio of India with any other Muslim minority country and you will see the result. Plus Muslims of India are more involved in business rather than civil services or any other organization.

4. So does Anti-Hindu, Anti-christian and Anti-Sikh, every country has such small group of people. But it is important not to give them extra publicity.

5. You have Azam khan, Akbaruddin & Assasudin Owaisi as well.
Then why are you crying about JEM, JAMMT DAWA, LASHKAR I TAIBA otherwise they are not involved in any case with the minorities of Pakistan. The crow always eats the excrement and cleans its beak.
 
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