Why India will never go to war with Pakistan

[lonelyman]

Pokharan test range(where Indian has done 3 rounds of nuclear tests 1974 -1998) does not have space to test 200 Kiloton weapon. As nearby villages would have been damaged.


If Indian tried move the villages away, would have tipped off the Americans and tests would have had to be stopped, as we had too in1996.

Secrecy was of paramount importance, India stepped downed the yield of thermonuclear weapon , to prevent damage to the nearby inhabitants.

Bullshit excuse, no way to reduce thermo to 60 kt, nobody did it even USA, soviets. Yours is a boosted fission bomb. Why ur scientists keep calling it a dud and more tests? Why ur government not signing complete nuclear test ban treaty, if you already have mature thermo bomb design.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

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1. Nuclear Weapons

Pakistan has over 130 nuclear warheads capable of targeting every inch of India, there isn't a single place that is safe. These nuclear warheads can be launched by air or land, and make no mistake, India cannot stop them. India's nuclear defences are primitive, in small supply as well as untested. Not to mention if they actually worked India would have invaded Pakistan by now. If you want to know how much damage a single nuclear warhead can do:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki

Keep in mind, those bombs were manufactured way back in WW2, imagine how much more potent they would be now, and that instead of 2 warheads being used, it would be well over 100. More than enough to destroy India's largest cities.

If these typical nukes aren't scary enough, Pakistan also has tactical nukes that they can and will deploy on the battlefield, giving them the potential to wipe out entire divisions. Not only does it act as a significant force multiplier for Pakistan, but it also shows that Pakistan is very willing to take some dangerous decisions, this alone can be enough of a deterrent.

It's also important to note that unlike India, Pakistan doesn't have a no first use policy, and that Pakistan also has a second strike capability so forget trying to nuke the place first.

2. Development

India is currently going through some heavy development, and things seem to be improving for the nation. If India were to go to war with Pakistan, expect this development to shatter, and for India to instead to regress as a country. Pakistan is more than capable of destroying India's largest cities that are key to its development. No country would ever want to risk shattering their potential for centuries to come.

3. CM-400AKG

India's BrahMos is often touted as another potent weapon to add to India's arsenal, but everyone seems to forget Pakistan's CM-400AKG. The CM-400AKG is the export variant of the Chinese YJ-12, an air launched anti ship cruise missile. It has an operational range of up to 240km and can travel as fast as Mach 5. This bad boy is effectively a hypersonic carrier killer! It entered service in 2012, and can be launched via Pakistan's JF-17's which themselves have a combat radius of over 1,350km, meaning that the missile can be launched from almost 1,600km away.

Of course, sinking a carrier isn't easy, but it is possible and as the the JF-17 gets better, the odds of it actually happening in a war increase significantly.

The actual impact it would have to sink an aircraft carrier would be major, it would throw billions of dollars India spent on the thing down the toilet as well as act as a major psychological blow to lower Indian morale during a war. The mere existence of the CM-400AKG itself could impact Indian morale in a war.

4. India's military

The Indian military, whilst large and powerful with many dangerous tools, have many issues. Many, MANY issues. India's military has a large number of obsolete tanks, armored vehicles, and artillery pieces, not to mention critical shortages of ammunition and air-defense assets, raising serious questions whether India can undertake large-scale military operations at all, let alone whether ongoing defense modernization really is sharply shifting the conventional balance in its favor. Although Indian defense spending has significantly boosted, much of that money has been spent merely replacing obsolete weapons and equipment.

One example of the Indian military's many troubles is its Air Force, the IAF. The IAF has the highest crash rate among Air Forces worldwide. Whilst these crashes can be contributed to technical limitations, it's obvious the lack of skill among IAF pilots also plays a part, since 6 Su-30MKI's have crashed from 2009 to 2015. If technology was the only problem, then the Su-30MKI shouldn't be crashing on an annual basis as it's a new and advanced fighter.

5. Little incentive

Even if you ignore the above reasons, what pain-staking reason must India invade Pakistan for? There is only one reason and even then it's a shoddy one: to combat anti Indian insurgents. But even then, going to war with Pakistan won't stop that, Pakistan will just start doing it even more in an act of retaliation. So going to war with Pakistan would solve nothing, it would only create lots and lots of problems, some of which I have mentioned in this post.

And Pakistan has had the capability to produce Fusion/Hydrogen bombs since AT LEAST early 2011:

http://isis-online.org/isis-reports...g-nuclear-weapons-time-for-pakistan-to-rever/

The above makes it highly unlikely that the indians would ever launch a full scale military attack on Pakistan.

The only thing to be concerned about is whacked out delusional indians (some who are here on PDF) who somehow think that Pakistan is their "lost territory" that needs to taken back. And that the americans help them do that.

 

[Photon]

Bullshit excuse, no way to reduce thermo to 60 kt, nobody did it even USA, soviets. Yours is a boosted fission bomb. Why ur scientists keep calling it a dud and more tests? Why ur government not signing complete nuclear test ban treaty, if you already have mature thermo bomb design.

You have as much knowledge about a nuclear weapon design, as a penguin would.

On top of it, you are too stupid to do your research before spewing BS.

Thermonuclear weapons have been tested down to the yield of 2.3 Kilo tones.

Cabriolet Nuclear Tests (Operation Crosstie and Operation Plowshare)

There was no incentive for India to sign the CTBT then.

But there are rumors circulating, India might sign CTBT in exchange for NSG membership.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1284286

 

[dadeechi]

1. Nuclear Weapons

Pakistan has over 130 nuclear warheads capable of targeting every inch of India, there isn't a single place that is safe. These nuclear warheads can be launched by air or land, and make no mistake, India cannot stop them. India's nuclear defences are primitive, in small supply as well as untested. Not to mention if they actually worked India would have invaded Pakistan by now. If you want to know how much damage a single nuclear warhead can do:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki

Keep in mind, those bombs were manufactured way back in WW2, imagine how much more potent they would be now, and that instead of 2 warheads being used, it would be well over 100. More than enough to destroy India's largest cities.

If these typical nukes aren't scary enough, Pakistan also has tactical nukes that they can and will deploy on the battlefield, giving them the potential to wipe out entire divisions. Not only does it act as a significant force multiplier for Pakistan, but it also shows that Pakistan is very willing to take some dangerous decisions, this alone can be enough of a deterrent.

It's also important to note that unlike India, Pakistan doesn't have a no first use policy, and that Pakistan also has a second strike capability so forget trying to nuke the place first.

2. Development

India is currently going through some heavy development, and things seem to be improving for the nation. If India were to go to war with Pakistan, expect this development to shatter, and for India to instead to regress as a country. Pakistan is more than capable of destroying India's largest cities that are key to its development. No country would ever want to risk shattering their potential for centuries to come.

3. CM-400AKG

India's BrahMos is often touted as another potent weapon to add to India's arsenal, but everyone seems to forget Pakistan's CM-400AKG. The CM-400AKG is the export variant of the Chinese YJ-12, an air launched anti ship cruise missile. It has an operational range of up to 240km and can travel as fast as Mach 5. This bad boy is effectively a hypersonic carrier killer! It entered service in 2012, and can be launched via Pakistan's JF-17's which themselves have a combat radius of over 1,350km, meaning that the missile can be launched from almost 1,600km away.

Of course, sinking a carrier isn't easy, but it is possible and as the the JF-17 gets better, the odds of it actually happening in a war increase significantly.

The actual impact it would have to sink an aircraft carrier would be major, it would throw billions of dollars India spent on the thing down the toilet as well as act as a major psychological blow to lower Indian morale during a war. The mere existence of the CM-400AKG itself could impact Indian morale in a war.

4. India's military

The Indian military, whilst large and powerful with many dangerous tools, have many issues. Many, MANY issues. India's military has a large number of obsolete tanks, armored vehicles, and artillery pieces, not to mention critical shortages of ammunition and air-defense assets, raising serious questions whether India can undertake large-scale military operations at all, let alone whether ongoing defense modernization really is sharply shifting the conventional balance in its favor. Although Indian defense spending has significantly boosted, much of that money has been spent merely replacing obsolete weapons and equipment.

One example of the Indian military's many troubles is its Air Force, the IAF. The IAF has the highest crash rate among Air Forces worldwide. Whilst these crashes can be contributed to technical limitations, it's obvious the lack of skill among IAF pilots also plays a part, since 6 Su-30MKI's have crashed from 2009 to 2015. If technology was the only problem, then the Su-30MKI shouldn't be crashing on an annual basis as it's a new and advanced fighter.

5. Little incentive

Even if you ignore the above reasons, what pain-staking reason must India invade Pakistan for? There is only one reason and even then it's a shoddy one: to combat anti Indian insurgents. But even then, going to war with Pakistan won't stop that, Pakistan will just start doing it even more in an act of retaliation. So going to war with Pakistan would solve nothing, it would only create lots and lots of problems, some of which I have mentioned in this post.

It is the Pakistanis who keep screaming in all international fora that Kashmir banega (will merge with) Pakistan and keep providing so called "MORAL SUPPORT" to the so called "FREEDOM FIGHTERS"

So the right question would be

Why Pakistan will never wage a war with India

1) Nuclear weapons: Is Pakistan worried that its nuclear bluff would be called off ?

2) Lack of Capability: Is Pakistan incapable of waging Conventional or Nuclear war with India, hence only indulging in non-conventional warfare ?

3) Once Bitten Twice Shy: After getting a beating and thrashing in the earlier wars including getting divided into two countries as a result of the 1971 war, Is it scarred as hell that the next war may result in total balkanization of Pakistan?

4) False Bravado: Is Pakistan military worried that the reality of their false bravado of 1 Pakistani soldier = 10 Indian soldiers and PAF pilots are better trained than InAF pilots would finally be revealed to the Pakistani public?

5) Lack of Support: Is Pakistan worried that the truth about all their claims of having China, US, Russia, Saudia, Turkey, Iran etc. supporting them diplomatically would be revealed and they would be left high and dry and would become laughing stock in front of the whole world?

 

[Photon]

Pakistan had had the ability to manuf



And Pakistan has had the capability to produce Fusion/Hydrogen bombs since AT LEAST early 2011:

http://isis-online.org/isis-reports...g-nuclear-weapons-time-for-pakistan-to-rever/

The above makes it highly unlikely that the indians would ever launch a full scale military attack on Pakistan.

The only thing to be concerned about is whacked out delusional indians (some who are here on PDF) who somehow think that Pakistan is their "lost territory" that needs to taken back. And that the americans help them do that.

Where does it say, Pakistan has thermonuclear weapons ?

All it says, After Khushab reactor, Pakistan now has the ability to produce plutonium.

India has been producing plutonium, since the 70s.

India's entire nulcear weapons programe both fission and fusion is plutonium based.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Where does it say, Pakistan has thermonuclear weapons ?

All it says, After Khushab reactor, Pakistan now has the ability to produce plutonium.

India has been producing plutonium, since the 70s.

India's entire nulcear weapons programe both fission and fusion is plutonium based.

Read the article in it's entirety. You will get confirmation of Pakistan's ability to produce more powerful nuclear devices/thermonuclear weapons etc. That was nearly 6 years ago. The capabilities now are much more advanced.

 

[Photon]

Read the article in it's entirety. You will get confirmation of Pakistan's ability to produce more powerful nuclear devices/thermonuclear weapons etc. That was nearly 6 years ago. The capabilities now are much more advanced.

I have, everyone knows, Pakistan has the ability to produce plutonium now.

Plutonium can be used to produce thermonuclear weapons, amongst other things.

But plutonium is not the only material that is required to produce a Tellar Ulam design.

India has been producing plutonium for five decades now ,has even tested a thermonuclear bomb , still people here have doubts, India has thermonuclear weapons.

 

[Hamza913]

It is the Pakistanis who keep screaming in all international fora that Kashmir banega (will merge with) Pakistan and keep providing so called "MORAL SUPPORT" to the so called "FREEDOM FIGHTERS"

So the right question would be

Why Pakistan will never wage a war with India

1) Nuclear weapons: Is Pakistan worried that its nuclear bluff would called off ?

2) Lack of Capability: Is Pakistan incapable of waging Conventional or Nuclear war with India, hence only indulging in non-conventional warfare ?

3) Once Bitten Twice Shy: After getting a beating and thrashing in the earlier wars including getting divided into two countries as a result of the 1971 war, Is it scarred as hell that the next war may result in total balkanization of Pakistan?

4) False Bravado: Is Pakistan military worried that the reality of their false bravado of 1 Pakistani soldier = 10 Indian soldiers and PAF pilots are better trained that InAF pilots would finally be revealed to the Pakistani public?

5) Lack of Support: Is Pakistan worried that the truth about all their claims of having China, US, Russia, Saudia, Turkey, Iran etc. supporting them diplomatically would be revealed and they would be left high and dry and would become laughing stock in front of the whole world?

Someone seems upset.

True, a true stealth JF-17 can enter 1350 km into Indian airspace, and launch a cruise missile.

That's not what I meant and you know it, what I meant is that if India deploys its aircraft carrier, it's a target we can hit. Same goes for the Indian navy's other ships.

 

[dray]

1. Nuclear Weapons

Pakistan has over 130 nuclear warheads capable of targeting every inch of India, there isn't a single place that is safe. These nuclear warheads can be launched by air or land, and make no mistake, India cannot stop them. India's nuclear defences are primitive, in small supply as well as untested. Not to mention if they actually worked India would have invaded Pakistan by now. If you want to know how much damage a single nuclear warhead can do:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki

Keep in mind, those bombs were manufactured way back in WW2, imagine how much more potent they would be now, and that instead of 2 warheads being used, it would be well over 100. More than enough to destroy India's largest cities.

If these typical nukes aren't scary enough, Pakistan also has tactical nukes that they can and will deploy on the battlefield, giving them the potential to wipe out entire divisions. Not only does it act as a significant force multiplier for Pakistan, but it also shows that Pakistan is very willing to take some dangerous decisions, this alone can be enough of a deterrent.

It's also important to note that unlike India, Pakistan doesn't have a no first use policy, and that Pakistan also has a second strike capability so forget trying to nuke the place first.

2. Development

India is currently going through some heavy development, and things seem to be improving for the nation. If India were to go to war with Pakistan, expect this development to shatter, and for India to instead to regress as a country. Pakistan is more than capable of destroying India's largest cities that are key to its development. No country would ever want to risk shattering their potential for centuries to come.

3. CM-400AKG

India's BrahMos is often touted as another potent weapon to add to India's arsenal, but everyone seems to forget Pakistan's CM-400AKG. The CM-400AKG is the export variant of the Chinese YJ-12, an air launched anti ship cruise missile. It has an operational range of up to 240km and can travel as fast as Mach 5. This bad boy is effectively a hypersonic carrier killer! It entered service in 2012, and can be launched via Pakistan's JF-17's which themselves have a combat radius of over 1,350km, meaning that the missile can be launched from almost 1,600km away.

Of course, sinking a carrier isn't easy, but it is possible and as the the JF-17 gets better, the odds of it actually happening in a war increase significantly.

The actual impact it would have to sink an aircraft carrier would be major, it would throw billions of dollars India spent on the thing down the toilet as well as act as a major psychological blow to lower Indian morale during a war. The mere existence of the CM-400AKG itself could impact Indian morale in a war.

4. India's military

The Indian military, whilst large and powerful with many dangerous tools, have many issues. Many, MANY issues. India's military has a large number of obsolete tanks, armored vehicles, and artillery pieces, not to mention critical shortages of ammunition and air-defense assets, raising serious questions whether India can undertake large-scale military operations at all, let alone whether ongoing defense modernization really is sharply shifting the conventional balance in its favor. Although Indian defense spending has significantly boosted, much of that money has been spent merely replacing obsolete weapons and equipment.

One example of the Indian military's many troubles is its Air Force, the IAF. The IAF has the highest crash rate among Air Forces worldwide. Whilst these crashes can be contributed to technical limitations, it's obvious the lack of skill among IAF pilots also plays a part, since 6 Su-30MKI's have crashed from 2009 to 2015. If technology was the only problem, then the Su-30MKI shouldn't be crashing on an annual basis as it's a new and advanced fighter.

5. Little incentive

Even if you ignore the above reasons, what pain-staking reason must India invade Pakistan for? There is only one reason and even then it's a shoddy one: to combat anti Indian insurgents. But even then, going to war with Pakistan won't stop that, Pakistan will just start doing it even more in an act of retaliation. So going to war with Pakistan would solve nothing, it would only create lots and lots of problems, some of which I have mentioned in this post.

For this:

Tips: Just google for 'ruhani taqat laal topi'

 

[Hamza913]

It would have been an exaggeration had i stated "balkanized".

The correct term would be Bangaldesh was separated from Pakistan.

The amount of people I have triggered is truly hilarious, I honestly had no idea my simple thread would rile up so many people.

India has never started any of the wars against Pakistan so there is no reason to expect they will do so in future. Indian leaders have always clearly stated they do not aspire for territorial expansion.

India started the war in 1971, and was the one who provoked us in 1965, not to mention India also tried to attack Pakistan in 2002 and 2009. Currently, India is the one that wants to invade.

That's so discouraging....

If 130 nukes doesn't sound discouraging, then I don't know what does.

It is the Pakistanis who keep screaming in all international fora that Kashmir banega (will merge with) Pakistan and keep providing so called "MORAL SUPPORT" to the so called "FREEDOM FIGHTERS"

So the right question would be

Why Pakistan will never wage a war with India

1) Nuclear weapons: Is Pakistan worried that its nuclear bluff would called off ?

2) Lack of Capability: Is Pakistan incapable of waging Conventional or Nuclear war with India, hence only indulging in non-conventional warfare ?

3) Once Bitten Twice Shy: After getting a beating and thrashing in the earlier wars including getting divided into two countries as a result of the 1971 war, Is it scarred as hell that the next war may result in total balkanization of Pakistan?

4) False Bravado: Is Pakistan military worried that the reality of their false bravado of 1 Pakistani soldier = 10 Indian soldiers and PAF pilots are better trained that InAF pilots would finally be revealed to the Pakistani public?

5) Lack of Support: Is Pakistan worried that the truth about all their claims of having China, US, Russia, Saudia, Turkey, Iran etc. supporting them diplomatically would be revealed and they would be left high and dry and would become laughing stock in front of the whole world?

Pakistan wants Kashmir to join Pakistan, but it has not said or has any plans to invade India. India on the other hand has its cold start doctrine, lied about surgical strikes, and is almost always blaming Pakistan for all its problems and crying for war. India is much more likely to try and invade Pakistan.

Oh and as for those points you made, please make a genuine attempt instead of thumping your chest like a frustrated child.

Since the poll shows people want more, I'll give them more:

Geography:

The 2,900 kilometer long Indo-Pakistani border is characterized by diverse terrain that has different impacts on military operations. In Kashmir, the landscape is mountainous and heavily forested. When combined with a lack of wide roads, the movement of vehicles and large military formations is significantly hindered.

A second section of the border running from Southern Jammu and Kashmir through the Punjab down to Northern Rajasthan is marked by a near continuous line of concrete irrigation canals that stretch for 2,000 kilometers. Not only does this network of canals and their tributaries form an obstacle in its own right, they have been turned into defensive fortifications with the addition of large pilings of soil, concrete bunkers, minefields, and fortified gun emplacements. Securing a bridgehead and mounting a cross-canal assault against a dug-in opponent will be a time consuming and bloody affair.

The third section of the international border, where the Sindh and Punjab meet, is often described as Pakistan’s major point of strategic vulnerability because the country’s primary north-south transportation artery runs extremely close to the international border. However, that historical risk has been significantly alleviated by the construction of a largely parallel highway on the western side of the Indus River. Although this region lacks the extensive fortifications described in the northern Punjab, the presence of irrigation canals and a major river constrain the available axes of advance and allow defenders to fight from prepared positions.

The southernmost sections of the international border, consisting of the flat, barren deserts of Rajasthan and Gujarat are extremely suitable for mechanized military operations, however they lack significant strategic value. Moreover, on the Pakistani side of the border areas of the harsh desert have been left empty to provide a natural buffer-zone that allows defenders to trade space for time as they readied a counter-attack.

 

[django]

Correction.. the yield was 45 Kt, Not 56 Kt.

The Army should be fully confident as there was no doubt about the nuclear arsenal at its command, the former Atomic Energy Commission (AEC) chairman Anil Kakodkar said, seeking to put at rest questions raised over the efficacy of the country’s hydrogen bomb test.

“I think that is guaranteed. The Army should be fully confident. There is no doubt about the arsenal at their command,” he told Karan Thapar on the ‘Devil’s Advocate’ programme on CNN-IBN.

Mr. Kakodkar, who retired from service on November 30, was asked about the remark of the former Army Chief, V.P. Malik, that nuclear scientists should assure the armed forces about the efficacy of the thermonuclear device.

He ruled out the need for further thermonuclear tests, saying the country has several hydrogen bombs with a yield “much more” than 45 kilo tons. “Of course. Why do you put singular, use plural?” he shot back when asked whether India had a thermonuclear bomb.

“Much more than that. I said from up to low kilotons to 200 kilotons,” he said when asked whether the hydrogen bomb had a yield of 45 kilo tons.


Mr. Kakodkar dismissed former DRDO scientist K. Santhanam’s claims over the success of the 1998 thermonuclear tests, saying it would not be correct to assume that he (the defence scientist) knew everything. “We required logistic support which was provided by DRDO…things were being done on a need-to-know basis. To assume that Santhanam knew everything is not correct. Santhanam knew what was within his responsibility,” he said.

Mr. Kakodkar also said it was “totally erroneous” to conclude that the hydrogen bomb test was not a success.

“It is a totally erroneous conclusion. The yield of thermonuclear test was verified, not by one method but by several methods and by different groups, and this has been reviewed in detail,” he said. “I had described the tests as perfect in 1998 and I stand by that,” added Mr. Kakodkar, who played key roles in the nuclear tests of 1974 and 1998.

He also said the instruments used by the DRDO to measure the yield of the tests did not work. “I myself had reviewed this immediately after the test and we concluded that these instruments did not work…If the instruments did not work, where is the question of going by the assertions based on them and what is the basis of those assertions?” he said.

On former AEC chief P.K. Iyengar’s support to Mr. Santhanam’s claims, Mr. Kakodkar said: “Iyengar was not in the picture as far as 1998 tests were concerned. He knows only as much as has been published. Nothing more.”



Nuclear weapons are not DRDO's responsibility ,they are AEC's.


Santhanam was a DRDO scientist.

So you are gullible enough to believe them lol it looks like the entire Indian nuclear program and it's affliates got caught with their pants down hehehehehehehheheheheeeeee

 

[lonelyman]

I have, everyone knows, Pakistan has the ability to produce plutonium now.

Plutonium can be used to produce thermonuclear weapons, amongst other things.

But plutonium is not the only material that is required to produce a Tellar Ulam design.

India has been producing plutonium for five decades now ,has even tested a thermonuclear bomb , still people here have doubts, India has thermonuclear weapons.

not doubt, everyone is fairly certain that India does not have thermo capability. Why don't you pick a remote place and denote a 3 Mt H-bomb like every P5 country did? instead boasting on a 43 kt bomb?

 

[scionoftheindus]

Simply because it does not have the capacity or capability.Kudos


We have enough weaponry to make your so called Bharat Akhand a radioactive dystopian wasteland.Kudos

Your army is so great that even after being humiliated by surgical strikes,it couldn't gather courage to attack India..whether India did surgical strikes is a different matter;what matters is India openly declared to the world that we entered into Pakistan and killed their soldiers.

 

[django]

Your army is so great that even after being humiliated by surgical strikes,it couldn't gather courage to attack India..whether India did surgical strikes is a different matter;what matters is India openly declared to the world that we entered into Pakistan and killed their soldiers.

Today they are claiming BSF has killed 15 Rangers, and because the BSF stated this they are considering it a FACT, I say no point in arguing with a delusional government which has become the laughing stock of the region I suspect their next claim will be that they have achieved warp drive courtesy of Sage Bharadwaja Vedic space plane.............Alpha Centauri watch out Bollywood is coming
@The Sandman @Zibago @Moonlight @PaklovesTurkiye

 

[Hamza913]

Your army is so great that even after being humiliated by surgical strikes,it couldn't gather courage to attack India..whether India did surgical strikes is a different matter;what matters is India openly declared to the world that we entered into Pakistan and killed their soldiers.

Have you been asleep for the past few weeks?