Why India wants to Destabalize Pakistan?

[zubair723]

is it a crime 4 a hindu to teach islam?

Yeah its unimaginable for a MUSLIM. Try this in LAHORE, and you will be surley lynched

 

[IceCold]

And the purpose of this thread was???

 

[third eye]

boy There were some gross discriminatry policies by pakistani elite

and it got seperated
about indian hand let me quote indra gaand i


and about military victery
10 div against 2.5 div
whole air command against 1 sq of sabers
whole navel command against 10 gun boats

bloody ****
you cowards present it as a victory against whole army

time has again and again proved indian intensions against pakistan

you know when indians come to pakistan we honor them our shop keepers even dont charge them
but when pakistanies go to india they are tortured and disgraced

Indian history has told us(both to bangladesh and Pakistan and Srilanka) that trust the snake but not indian

Why is there so much venom in you ?

Take it easy, by writing in bold letters & using poorly written & grammatically incorrect Hindi in your signatures are you trying to convey something ?

What will change if you carry on this way ? Will the existing equation in S Asia change ..please slow down. We are all here to exchange views & just coz someone feels differently does not imply he/ she is against you.

Grudges of the past cannot be undone by further animosity.

 

[Bill Longley]

Why is there so much venom in you ?

Take it easy, by writing in bold letters & using poorly written & grammatically incorrect Hindi in your signatures are you trying to convey something ?

What will change if you carry on this way ? Will the existing equation in S Asia change ..please slow down. We are all here to exchange views & just coz someone feels differently does not imply he/ she is against you.

Grudges of the past cannot be undone by further animosity.

hmmmm agreed
its the duty of good indians to make the govt and agencies realize that no body in neighborhood like india due to its policies.

India should act as elder brother due to its size not enemy to its neighbors

time heels the wounds if India start acting as a mature state its neighbors will love it
but investing in destruction and then being proud of its acts will only bring more hate.
When we see indian movies and see a third rate punks abuseing us and other neigbors then how can we develop good feelings?

need of time is not to fall in trap of hate which unfortunately indian media and Indian cyber worriors (HMG) spread

 

[third eye]

hmmmm agreed
its the duty of good indians to make the govt and agencies realize that no body in neighborhood like india due to its policies.

India should act as elder brother due to its size not enemy to its neighbors

time heels the wounds if India start acting as a mature state its neighbors will love it
but investing in destruction and then being proud of its acts will only bring more hate.
When we see indian movies and see a third rate punks abuseing us and other neigbors then how can we develop good feelings?

need of time is not to fall in trap of hate which unfortunately indian media and Indian cyber worriors (HMG) spread

Thanks for your reply & your points conceeded.

Also change in signatures noted and appreciated, keep smiling.. its always better this way ( .. & keeps others guessing what you are upto !).

 

[Hellfire]

Bill Longley


1. because of historically Pakistan never bowed in front of india

A useless point actually. 1971, 1984 and 1999 have proved otherwise. So its meant for kindergarten kids and not for this forum.

2. Pakistans gawader port will have eye on Strait of Hurmaz traffic and will provide Debth to Pak Navy and also link up Caspian oil reserves to Arabian sea. Indian oil comes from Mid east and india cannot tolerate any such port which can any time disturb indian supply

I agree Gwadar will provide "debt" to PN, since you are building it on credit from China (and will be further in debt of the same). However, if you mean depth, then no it wont. The fact is that PN is currently too weak to be able to effectively challenge any blockade in case IN decides to impose one, and that is not out of rhetoric or lack of capable sailors/officers on PN side but due to the inherent location of your ports as also the way smaller defence allocation that severely limits your ability to field suitable platforms.

In addition, imposition of blockade by India will be followed by International Community as effectively, IN will be within war rights to sink any cargo/vessel meant for Pakistan. In addition, as part of PSI, IN is actively engaged in boarding and searching suspected ships irrespective of Country of Origin/Flag flown by the ship.

Lastly, Chahabar has been developed. Its of use for IN. And it provides a viable alternative for Indian supplies into CARs. So in short, Gwadar is nothing now except a potential headache.

4. India also for same reason knows unless Pashtuns are brought against Pakistan can never prevail in Balochistan. That is why it is financeing TTP.

Are you a journalist? And have degree in strategic affairs? strange. Can you show me any where any link (even GoP statement) where RAW has been implicated in TTP finances? A link of such a statement from GoP will also do!


BTW the Majority of out fits which US says are supporting Afghan Taliban never attacked Pakistani Intrests.

Obviously, because ISI is financing them (un)knowingly!!! So why would they fight Pakistan? Your complicity is there and your prez agreed as much to that .....


Do you know mullah omer suspended Baitullah because he like do fight pakistan not Occupation forces in Afghanistan and is on role of Indians and Afghans ...same case with HeM and TNSM.



any links? even GoP statements to the same?

5. Nuclear Pakistan Along with China have enveloped India and it knows that due to prevailing strategic set up it can never complete its dream of Bharat Versha

what a load of poorly comprehended strategic implications!!!

 

[Enigma SIG]

many pakistanis are brainwashed into believing that 'India is a wolf that is waiting to destroy pakistan.

May i kindly add that the brainwashing doesnt exist from our side; it was your interference in east pakistan in 1971 which caused pakistanis to be aggressive towards india; you have rightfully earned the name wolf...

 

[EjazR]

When we see indian movies and see a third rate punks abuseing us and other neigbors then how can we develop good feelings?

need of time is not to fall in trap of hate which unfortunately indian media and Indian cyber worriors (HMG) spread

There will always be haters on both sides. Unfortunately, the large number of rabid cyber warriors you mention are not representative of the Indian public at large so don't get too worked up with them. An example would be the recent elections where every blog and opinion poll on the Internet was way off from the results on the ground.

In any case, I appreciate you changing your sig as well.

 

[Hellfire]

However, plenty of retired Indian bureaucrats, military and defense officials have written about how India is stronger if Pakistani is destabilized and weak, and possibly even divided.

These people were in positions of authority - it is likely this viewpoint exists in the Indian establishment. The extent to which it exists, and whether it is the prevalent POV, will obviously not be known publcilcy since it carries serious implications for India internationally.

And these people have retired!

The destabilising angle was pretty good till late 90s, but with the rise of non-state agencies which are acting transnationally in spreading a distorted Islamic View or supposed crimes against Islamic populance has changed the perception within India.

There is an acceptance of the fact that the day when India could invade Pakistan and "sort" it out are gone. The introduction of nuclear weapons has killed that wild idea forever.

The new acceptance is that Pakistan is here to stay, and its better to engage them rather isolate them. This way, if the Kashmir issue can be set aside, and mutually productive agreements can be reached, then in the long run an increased prosperity in the two nations will forever relegate these issues of Kashmir and Sir creek into background.

Secondly, India is obsessed with economic development and growth with the recently conducted elections comprehensively pointing to the fact that Pakistan bashing is a no-go and Congress, which was seen to be soft towards Pakistan (by saying Pakistan is victim of terror and not "reacting" to Mumbai) getting a clear majority as there is a deeper appreciation of the need to have peace on borders and maintain economic growth.

Today a common Indian is least bothered about Pakistan, and more intent on catching up with China. They had 15 years headstart in economic reforms, and India wants to reap the same benefits as them, which is the true way to develop yourself into a global power.

Also with the rise of extremism on Pakistani borders, the assesment was that it was a matter of time before Pakistan itself would be fighting in its own territories. Now the only worry is of rare chance of Pakistan failing as a state, which is a horrible idea at best, for that shall push India into the forefront, something we dont relish.

So actually, the mindset of destabilising Pakistan is gone, and even Rajanath Singh's threat of sending troops into Pakistan to check terror if BJP came to power, didnt help them.

 

[Bill Longley]

So actually, the mindset of destabilising Pakistan is gone, and even Rajanath Singh's threat of sending troops into Pakistan to check terror if BJP came to power, didnt help them.

who is this joker

 

[Hellfire]

Since the Indo-Pak border and the LoC is heavily militarized, and could be reinforced even further, the fallout on India would be minimized. In addition, if the situation gets to the point of widespread chaos, a lack of resources from a dying economy would likely result in the Pakistani military unable to maintain high tech equipment, and allow India to capture strategic areas for use as 'buffers' if the need arose, under the pretext of preventing terrorism on its soil.

While this contention certainly has merit, yet its in a wait and watch phase right now. In case there is any deviation from WoT exhibited by PA/GoP and there is no reform seen, then the idea of setting up a buffer zone may well be persued especially since then any forced engagement will be purely conventional and limited and as such PA may not resort to nukes as there is no immediate threat of national collapse.

An interesting idea actually but the only problem on Indian side is the willingness (political) to implement the idea. It sure allows Indian forces to check any kind of cross border movements and although we will have an active PA and active border, we can sustain the same with a professional force.

 

[pak-marine]

There is no doubt that India have these highlighted and more political and economic agendas which goes against the national interests of Pakistan and they will not miss any oppourtunity for sure ...! its upto us how we play the ball game and fail India and other foriegn conspiracies against our country. India or any one cannot do a thing without any Pakistani help i.e "inside help"

We as a nation should work towards to our people and as long as we give the rights to Balochs , Gilgits and others there is no way any one can conspire against us. They will fail miserably!!

 

[Hellfire]

I am a Proud son of a Pakistani Soldier and have degree in strategic studies

so boy dont try to induce propoganda

talk to me on facts and dont tell me whats right info

yet you have consistently shown a lack of appreciation for the same across many threads ......

 

[Zob]

look if india has such INTENTIONS or not is going to be called a PARANOIA until and unless one of the PAKISTANI boy finds some hard proof.....until then i guess no matter we go on and on about it will just be a stupid childish PARANOIA!!

 

[Hellfire]

boy read my post about Bangali situation

and boy we two people are still friends but bangalies still hate injuns
remeber fire fights on india bangla border

you imperials will never learn thats why you are engulfed in liberation movements and Maoist struggle

Do you know what the reason for the confrontation along Indo-Bangla border? COAL!!!!

Coal is smuggled from Meghalaya to Bangladesh and there is payment fixed for both BSF and BDR and clothes from Bangladesh into India. BSF increased their share and didnt give equitable share to BDR. So they fought at some point where BSF was receiving cash and BDR came to ask for their share.

I was in Shillong in those days and the DIG BSF there was implicated and sent home quitely. That is why inspite of Indian casualties, India sent representatives to border and BSF and BDR amicably settled their disputes. Otherwise Assam Rifles had been told to move to the sector backed by Umroi based arty assets of IA there.

So when you have no idea of what happened there, kindly desist from generalising situations please!!!!