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By AMARTYA SEN
Published: June 19, 2013


CAMBRIDGE, Mass. — MODERN India is, in many ways, a success. Its claim to be the world’s largest democracy is not hollow. Its media is vibrant and free; Indians buy more newspapers every day than any other nation. Since independence in 1947, life expectancy at birth has more than doubled, to 66 years from 32, and per-capita income (adjusted for inflation) has grown fivefold. In recent decades, reforms pushed up the country’s once sluggish growth rate to around 8 percent per year, before it fell back a couple of percentage points over the last two years. For years, India’s economic growth rate ranked second among the world’s large economies, after China, which it has consistently trailed by at least one percentage point.

The hope that India might overtake China one day in economic growth now seems a distant one. But that comparison is not what should worry Indians most. The far greater gap between India and China is in the provision of essential public services — a failing that depresses living standards and is a persistent drag on growth.

Inequality is high in both countries, but China has done far more than India to raise life expectancy, expand general education and secure health care for its people. India has elite schools of varying degrees of excellence for the privileged, but among all Indians 7 or older, nearly one in every five males and one in every three females are illiterate. And most schools are of low quality; less than half the children can divide 20 by 5, even after four years of schooling.

India may be the world’s largest producer of generic medicine, but its health care system is an unregulated mess. The poor have to rely on low-quality — and sometimes exploitative — private medical care, because there isn’t enough decent public care. While China devotes 2.7 percent of its gross domestic product to government spending on health care, India allots 1.2 percent.

India’s underperformance can be traced to a failure to learn from the examples of so-called Asian economic development, in which rapid expansion of human capability is both a goal in itself and an integral element in achieving rapid growth. Japan pioneered that approach, starting after the Meiji Restoration in 1868, when it resolved to achieve a fully literate society within a few decades. As Kido Takayoshi, a leader of that reform, explained: “Our people are no different from the Americans or Europeans of today; it is all a matter of education or lack of education.” Through investments in education and health care, Japan simultaneously enhanced living standards and labor productivity — the government collaborating with the market.

Despite the catastrophe of Japan’s war years, the lessons of its development experience remained and were followed, in the postwar period, by South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore and other economies in East Asia. China, which during the Mao era made advances in land reform and basic education and health care, embarked on market reforms in the early 1980s; its huge success changed the shape of the world economy. India has paid inadequate attention to these lessons.

Is there a conundrum here that democratic India has done worse than China in educating its citizens and improving their health? Perhaps, but the puzzle need not be a brainteaser. Democratic participation, free expression and rule of law are largely realities in India, and still largely aspirations in China. India has not had a famine since independence, while China had the largest famine in recorded history, from 1958 to 1961, when Mao’s disastrous Great Leap Forward killed some 30 million people. Nevertheless, using democratic means to remedy endemic problems — chronic undernourishment, a disorganized medical system or dysfunctional school systems — demands sustained deliberation, political engagement, media coverage, popular pressure. In short, more democratic process, not less.

In China, decision making takes place at the top. The country’s leaders are skeptical, if not hostile, with regard to the value of multiparty democracy, but they have been strongly committed to eliminating hunger, illiteracy and medical neglect, and that is enormously to their credit.

There are inevitable fragilities in a nondemocratic system because mistakes are hard to correct. Dissent is dangerous. There is little recourse for victims of injustice. Edicts like the one-child policy can be very harsh. Still, China’s present leaders have used the basic approach of accelerating development by expanding human capability with great decisiveness and skill.

The case for combating debilitating inequality in India is not only a matter of social justice. Unlike India, China did not miss the huge lesson of Asian economic development, about the economic returns that come from bettering human lives, especially at the bottom of the socioeconomic pyramid. India’s growth and its earnings from exports have tended to depend narrowly on a few sectors, like information technology, pharmaceuticals and specialized auto parts, many of which rely on the role of highly trained personnel from the well-educated classes. For India to match China in its range of manufacturing capacity — its ability to produce gadgets of almost every kind, with increasing use of technology and better quality control — it needs a better-educated and healthier labor force at all levels of society. What it needs most is more knowledge and public discussion about the nature and the huge extent of inequality and its damaging consequences, including for economic growth.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/20/opinion/why-india-trails-china.html?hpw&_r=0
 
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I hope the Indian government can sincerely listen to the Indian Nobel laureate. I have been firmly believing that the Indian government and officials need to stop this demographic dividend crap. people become human resource only if you equip them with skills and knowledge, otherwise they bring more burden to the society than dividend.
 
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I hope the Indian government can sincerely listen to the Indian Nobel laureate. I have been firmly believing that the Indian government and officials need to stop this demographic dividend crap. people become human resource only if you equip them with skills and knowledge, otherwise they bring more burden to the society than dividend.

The Nobel laureate is talking about why democratic India never had famines, while ....

Well, we'd let PRC enjoy the famines .... we don't want them.

If you read the article again, you'd want PRC to listen sincerely to the Nobel laureate.
 
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rule of law are largely realities in India, and still largely aspirations in China.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/259298-why-india-trails-china.html#ixzz2WleSHNZ1

Delusional, as usual, by an Indian, even Nobel laureate Indian. Or maybe he is not delusional, but he must bash China and write like this, in "democratic" US, because they will not accept if he praise China.

In 1990, I would think like this, but the truth is much different. In fact, the rules of law were more respected in "totalitarian" governments in the past than now, with more open governments in China and Vietnam. Corruption are also going up since we open the economy. With deep corruption and high-crime rate, I do not think that India fares better than China in that regards. Many Vietnamese people have visited both India and China and written about their experiences.

With regards to famines, in recent report on Global hunger index, the "democratic" India rank behind Madagascar, Niger, Djibuti, Pakistan, Sudan, Nepal, Rwanda, Liberia, Zimbabwe.... India did not have some single big famines, but permanent famines. But India is world largest "democracy" and not China or Soviet Union, or even North Korea, so few people care to talk about.

I do want India people, even high ranking Indian, to be straight forwards and to see the truth, and do not want to be so rude towards Indian posters here. But India is a big country and will play an important part in the peace and prosperity of South Asia and Asia in general, so, if Indian still live in dream, their country would continue to sink.

In 1990, India's GDP per capita was 4 times that of Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia (roughly 360 vs. 90 USD). Now Vietnam GDP per capita is ahead of India (marginally though), Laos's is roughly the same that of India and Cambodia is not far behind. We do not have significant natural resources to rely on. In the meantime, China GDP per capita is keeping and enlarging their distance with others.

Not only Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia, even many Sub-Saharan African countries are surpassing India in GDP per capita, if you look at the IMF data table.
 
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^^ :rofl: from where did you pull that cr@p/?

btw, change your name from AViet to ACPCBOT
change your flags too. dont be ashamed. show us who you are
 
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The Chinese learned their lesson and moved onto the right path, but have you?

and please don't insult Professor Sen. just don't put your words into his mouth to make him sound stupid.
The Nobel laureate is talking about why democratic India never had famines, while ....

Well, we'd let PRC enjoy the famines .... we don't want them.

If you read the article again, you'd want PRC to listen sincerely to the Nobel laureate.
 
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Is that how democracy in India works? If you disagree with someone, attack his/her background, or even better, call him/her a bot!

nothi' to do with democracy, it's all about iqcracy.
 
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India has not had a famine since independence, while China had the largest famine in recorded history, from 1958 to 1961, when Mao’s disastrous Great Leap Forward killed some 30 million people.

This is a distorting and shameful comment when the author is bestowing india with full credit for fighting against the famine:

1966 Famine in India

1966 Famine in India | Deeply Thinking

In the mid 1960s, India faced a severe food shortage (mainly in Bihar) and nearly escaped from a major famine.

In 1959 itself, A team from the USA had warned India about a serious food shorage after studying its birth rate and crop growth rate. They had mentioned in their report that if things continue as it is, there would be a major famine in 1966. The Indian govt under Nehru gave some attention to the report but did not take it as seriously as what the team had hoped.

...India needed external support as well. Although such initiatives were helping India in some way, the food production went to an all time low in 1966 (as predicted by the report from USA). That was when India requested USA to supply grains and USA offered wholehearted support. They began supplying 20,000 tons of grains on a daily basis and during the peak time of the famine, they were supplying almost 50,000 tons of grains daily. There was an article which said that ships would arrive Indian port once in every 5 minutes!! There were even “ship traffic jams” because of several ships coming so frequently. That was the kind of food shortage India had, and the support given by US helped India to narrowly escape from a disaster.

and how can Sen not mention these when he talks about famine, specifically?

42 per cent Indian kids malnourished, stunted: report
CNN-IBN | Updated Jan 10, 2012

and a last year report revealed:

In 2011, more children under the age of five died in India than anywhere else in the world. That’s 1.7 million children – over 4,650 child deaths a day – according to a new report by the United Nation’s Children’s Fund.

Almost 5,000 Indian Children Die Daily

and has he also overlooked this massive problem when the india pm said it is their country's major challenge to internal security:

India PM Singh says internal security a major challenge

http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian-defence/47621-indias-maoist-threat-insurgency-news-discussion-76.html

and there are things like population explosion, narcotics, J & K ..etc that havent even touched in the article which all together make it an epic failure!
 
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As we all know, this is quickly going to turn into a China-bashing thread from jealous and angry Indians.

Moving on....
 
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Why I believe we lag so far behind: nepotism. Nepotism breeds inefficiency and corruption. Nepotism is the root of all evils in a nation. Why is china at an advantage? The One Child Policy has destroyed nepotism. If you have no brother, uncle, aunt, sister to give a job to or receive a job from you are left to your own devices. Simply put, this is a race between nepotism and meritocracy. As we have seen, meritocracy has won.
 
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Why I believe we lag so far behind: nepotism. Nepotism breeds inefficiency and corruption. Nepotism is the root of all evils in a nation. Why is china at an advantage? The One Child Policy has destroyed nepotism. If you have no brother, uncle, aunt, sister to give a job to or receive a job from you are left to your own devices. Simply put, this is a race between nepotism and meritocracy. As we have seen, meritocracy has won.


There is plenty of nepotism in China too. you gotta look and you will find plenty of it.

The difference I see between India and china are:

1. Casteism
2. Useless wars with the one of the major country in the neighborhood.


While China has recently started throwing its weight around.
But for the longest time, it went to great lengths to avoid direct conflict that would bring war into its own territory.
 
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