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NEW DELHI: With the hoopla of the US elections over, the attention of the world is now fixed on a very different kind of leadership change in China — a once-in-a-decade affair — that will have a global effect almost as far-reaching as the American presidential poll.

As Xi Jinping and Li Keqiang prepare to take the reins of the world's second largest economy from Hu Jintao and Wen Jiabao, India is preparing to enthusiastically engage the new leadership, even though the new Chinese government will only take over in March, 2013. By next week, the top seven (or nine) men who lead the Communist Party of China (CPC) will be changed, and that will indicate who will take over in the government.

Shivshankar Menon, national security adviser, will travel to Beijing in a few weeks for talks on "strategic issues" with his counterpart Dai Bingguo — an exercise that promises to be much bigger than the border talks. Menon will meet a clutch of new leaders with Dai, who, too, will retire by next March. The talks, said sources, are expected to ensure continuity in the engagement between India and China, and has been proposed by the Chinese side.

Next week, PM Manmohan Singh will meet Chinese premier, Wen Jiabao, on the sidelines of the East Asia Summit in Phnom Penh possibly for the last time. Wen will make way for Li Keqiang as the next premier, who will also take over in March. In the last week of November, deputy chairman of the Planning Commission, Montek Singh Ahluwalia, will meet chief of China's National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC), Zhang Ping, for the next strategic and economic dialogue. India is trying to get China interested in investing in infrastructure creation in India, particularly railways.

While the Indian government too is engaged in the new "Kremlinology" of trying to gauge who will make the cut in the all powerful politburo standing committee in China, there is a general feeling that despite outstanding issues and a subterranean rivalry running through the relationship, the ties with Beijing are reasonably stable.

An increasingly aggressive and nationalist China has been picking fights with almost all its neighbours in the past year as the Chinese party leadership began their internal jockeying for the transition. From Japan to Vietnam and the Philippines and even the US, China has been very prickly and feeling threatened. Ironically, China's relations with India have been uneventful, which is interesting since it's the only neighbour with which Beijing has a festering border dispute and other attendant problems.

The real question that India would be asking is: what kind of a leader would Xi Jinping be? There was an attempt to get Xi over to India last year, but that never quite worked out. Indian leaders will only engage Xi after his anointment.

Xi belongs to a very different class of leaders in the Chinese hierarchy than Hu, whom he will replace as the party general secretary next week and as the president in March. As a so-called "princeling" Xi, whose father fought with Mao Zedong, is believed to be close to former Chinese president, Jiang Zemin. But from all accounts, the politburo standing committee, the seven (or nine) leaders, who will collectively rule China for the next decade, is peppered with many faces who owe allegiance to the Hu faction as well. India, like other nations, will be watching closely to see what the composition of the standing committee and the refashioned Central Military commission will be. For instance, in the recent reshuffle in the Central Military Commission (CMC), the edging out of some "political commissars", or pol-coms by people from the armed forces is believed to be a good sign.

Ultimately, India's wants to work out a border agreement with China, open Chinese markets for Indian products and keep Beijing's influence in India's neighbourhood in check. On a larger canvas, a growing India will come up against an even bigger China. That's why the relationship needs to be managed more cleverly.

Why India needs to maintain ties with China cleverly - The Times of India
 
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India is trying to get China interested in investing in infrastructure creation in India, particularly railways.

I never got this. Indians are always saying that China is a security threat and that Chinese products are all crap, while they ask China to build the infrastructure that millions of Indian lives depend on.

Anyway, Xi Jinping will most likely maintain the Status quo. The fact that he is in a different faction from Hu Jintao is not really a big deal, especially on foreign policy where they tend to agree more than they disagree.
 
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I never got this. Indians are always saying that China is a security threat and that Chinese products are all crap, while they ask China to build the infrastructure that millions of Indian lives depend on.

Anyway, Xi Jinping will most likely maintain the Status quo. The fact that he is in a different faction from Hu Jintao is not really a big deal, especially on foreign policy where they tend to agree more than they disagree.

Hey CD, can you explain as to what do u mean by different faction??
 
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Hey CD, can you explain as to what do u mean by different faction??

It is covered fairly often by the international media, here I'll find a link:

BBC News - Viewpoint: The powerful factions among China's rulers

I like the "League Faction" (Tuanpai), which Hu Jintao belongs to. They are generally from poor families from the inland provinces, who had to work their way up through merit.

They are the mirror opposite of "Princelings" (Taizidang) like Xi Jinping.
 
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It is covered fairly often by the international media, here I'll find a link:

BBC News - Viewpoint: The powerful factions among China's rulers

I like the "League Faction" (Tuanpai), which Hu Jintao belongs to. They are generally from poor families from the inland provinces, who had to work their way up through merit.

They are the mirror opposite of "Princelings" (Taizidang) like Xi Jinping.

so what u are saying is that there are sub - parties within CPC.

Thanks, thats really news for me :)
 
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Like it or not, India and China need each other. Geographically, as neighbours with huge populations and huge market potentials for both to tap into, they have to put aside any border disputes and work for stronger economic ties. I know it's something that many Indians woul not want to admit, but China are exactly who they need to invest in their national infrastructure. Nobody has more knowledge and recent experience in massive infrastructure projects than China does and India badly needs modernisation of it's roads and railways. China would also benefit from a stronger India economy and building better transport links throughout India will help open up their products to Indian consumers.

From what I've read on this forum, anymnosity seems to be generally from indians towards China, with some Chinese posters attacking in retaliation. I know there was the 1962 war between the two nations but that was generally regarded as a minor war with minimal casualties. For two ancient civilizations who have co-existed peacefully for millenia, I don't get the current anymosity of some Indians towards China. Both Indians and Chinese should put aside any differences and work together for the prosperity of both nations. Both have a lot to gain from increased co-operation.
 
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so what u are saying is that there are sub - parties within CPC.

Thanks, thats really news for me :)

yes, there are sub groups within the party```each one has their own governing ideology and policy, sometimes there are power struggles happening between them```1989 Tiananmen demonstration was one of the results of their internal conflicts```sadly, that event had been used by western propaganda machine to paint that picture as a event of 'student V.S CCP' to brainwash people

and the latest example was the scandle of Bo Xilai
 
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I never got this. Indians are always saying that China is a security threat and that Chinese products are all crap, while they ask China to build the infrastructure that millions of Indian lives depend on.

Anyway, Xi Jinping will most likely maintain the Status quo. The fact that he is in a different faction from Hu Jintao is not really a big deal, especially on foreign policy where they tend to agree more than they disagree.

thats the problem with indian govt, they try to do low quality stuff on the cheap.
 
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By the time Xi finishes his 1st term,the size of the Chinese economy will be extremely close to that of the US’。

It is both my hope and belief that China's GDP,in dollar terms and calculated at market exchange rates, will surpass the US' between 2018 and 2019.

Pure size wise,the time China catches up with the US is also roughly the time India gives Japan a hot pursuit。
 
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yes, there are sub groups within the party```each one has their own governing ideology and policy, sometimes there are power struggles happening between them```1989 Tiananmen demonstration was one of the results of their internal conflicts```sadly, that event had been used by western propaganda machine to paint that picture as a event of 'student V.S CCP' to brainwash people

and the latest example was the scandle of Bo Xilai

agree with you on the 1st。

totally disagree with you on the 2nd。 Xo Xilai is a non-issue。A latecomer at the PB,Bo remained someone whose dismiss, or purge if you like it as a political struggle within the Party,which of course was not,can be carried out without much consideration by the ruling few。
 
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I never got this. Indians are always saying that China is a security threat and that Chinese products are all crap, while they ask China to build the infrastructure that millions of Indian lives depend on.

Anyway, Xi Jinping will most likely maintain the Status quo. The fact that he is in a different faction from Hu Jintao is not really a big deal, especially on foreign policy where they tend to agree more than they disagree.

Your are 50% right and wrong.
1. China is security threat - correct
India-China trade is growing - correct
It's in Chinese favour - correct
Asking to invest - mutual benefit
2. Chinese products are ALL crap - wrong
3. Cheap Chinese products are crap - correct
4. Asking china to build infrastructure - wrong
5. Asking China to help build infrastructure ( invest ) - Correct

thats the problem with indian govt, they try to do low quality stuff on the cheap.

GOI is playing cards for more investments in said field. And NOT the actual infra development as you and CD are assuming. Read investments from Chinese as Capital for Indian infra and Profit for Chinese investments

And more over if Chinese govt is going to do something with their name attached to it they will maintain the quality.
 
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Your are 50% right and wrong.
1. China is security threat - correct
India-China trade is growing - correct
It's in Chinese favour - correct
Asking to invest - mutual benefit
2. Chinese products are ALL crap - wrong
3. Cheap Chinese products are crap - correct
4. Asking china to build infrastructure - wrong
5. Asking China to help build infrastructure ( invest ) - Correct



GOI is playing cards for more investments in said field. And NOT the actual infra development as you and CD are assuming. Read investments from Chinese as Capital for Indian infra and Profit for Chinese investments

And more over if Chinese govt is going to do something with their name attached to it they will maintain the quality.

Remember this for your own good, indians; "Once bitten, twice shy". No investors will be that dumb to come back again to invest in your country until you guys can prove that you have some sort of business ethics and honesty! Or else carry on your sweat dreams ....
 
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Remember this for your own good, indians; "Once bitten, twice shy". No investors will be that dumb to come back again to invest in your country until you guys can prove that you have some sort of business ethics and honesty! Or else carry on your sweat dreams ....

Try not to quote me. I saw your high IQ in previous discussion in SAF thread. So spare me :rofl:

And you better be warnning investors ;)
 
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yes, there are sub groups within the party```each one has their own governing ideology and policy, sometimes there are power struggles happening between them```1989 Tiananmen demonstration was one of the results of their internal conflicts```sadly, that event had been used by western propaganda machine to paint that picture as a event of 'student V.S CCP' to brainwash people

and the latest example was the scandle of Bo Xilai

oh man ! i am surprised . you ditched more than 10000 of your own countrymen life which were murdered in cold blood who were no different to you to favour the govt which did it ? did u ever considered they were not even armed yet crushed under treads of tanks ! and you call it "propaganda" ! have you ever considered that you actually are eating up the propaganda that your govt is throwing at you ! please do not take in a negative sense , just think about it rationally for a moment. what kind of life is that when you can't even say your mind !
 
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oh man ! i am surprised . you ditched more than 10000 of your own countrymen life which were murdered in cold blood who were no different to you to favour the govt which did it ? did u ever considered they were not even armed yet crushed under treads of tanks ! and you call it "propaganda" ! have you ever considered that you actually are eating up the propaganda that your govt is throwing at you ! please do not take in a negative sense , just think about it rationally for a moment. what kind of life is that when you can't even say your mind !

Nobody supports what happened in the Tiananmen incident, and nobody supports what happened during the Cultural Revolution. Especially not the current Chinese leadership.

These are two of the greatest tragedies in the history of modern China.
 
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