Why Imran Khan idea about TTP office in brilliant?

[Patriots]

Its not easy to grow out of your bias but once you do, you would find a respectable leader in Imran Khan. After all for 10+ years, Imran Khan has been the only leader who was advocating for dialogue and after wasting billions and loosing thousands, other leaders followed him and agreed to give peace a chance.

TTP is not just terrorists with guns, they have sympathizers who mistakenly consider them a solution. If you let them talk, discuss and explain why they kill girls, destroy schools or attack soldiers, you will expose them more than you are able to do now. You will actually put them on the back-foot and they will be forced to either restraint or defend their terrorism and in both cases, you will gain something. If they don't stop, they are terrorizing anyway and in such a case their office can be closed. What is at stake here? What is the fear? What are you going to do which you cannot later undo? And why not.. when the best strategy you had has failed since long. Just because you didn't support a party makes you skeptical about a solution which they have and skepticism on what grounds?

Negotiating peace will be very difficult and it is probably more difficult than undergoing military operation against them.

Afghanistan on the other hand is changing its dynamics and we in Pakistan are still toeing that Stupid American policy to kill terrorist so they may stop existing. Its killing fire by pounding Napalm Bombing and guess what, it hasn't worked. Wana try a different approach? We all know its going to be difficult but it is the way forward.

This is not bias ... Before elections I have been praising to Imran Khan on different issues ... My posts are proof on PDF ... But after elections I am so much disappointed due to his stupidity ... For all this I appreciate his good doing like Hazara province bill ........

 

[Hyperion]

My friend, @mr42O, you are way too naive and impressionable!

 

[graphican]

This is not bias ... Before elections I have been praising to Imran Khan on different issues ... My posts are proof on PDF ... But after elections I am so much disappointed due to his stupidity ... For all this I appreciate his good doing like Hazara province bill ........

In this post of yours, I fail to see a single point which actually points towards his stupidity? Remember one thing, the person who has ability to stand taller than the crowed gets controversial. You can question his acts but you can never doubt his sincerity. As I mentioned, peace will be very hard to go by not because it is pricey but because it will receive severe resistance. Lets also not forget that USA doesn't want this dialogue to happen.. after all there is some reason that soon after this statement from IK, Geo and Jang Group are trying their best to portray him an insincere and directionless person. What do you think attack on Churh has produced? What about Shahadat of Senior military personals? This is all to make dialogue more difficult.

Have hope, keep your questions but don't reach the conclusion so early.

 

[FCPX]

IMHO you should be careful about comparing Americans in Afghan and Pakistan fighting the TTP and like.

The American's are an occupying force and as per normal practice, after causing much chaos and killings, they are in a hurry to leave. They are viewed as an occupying force by many Afghans and the ideology of the people fighting them is centered around this.

In Pakistan the TTP are Pakistani's and the Pakistan Army is not an occupying force rather it is, or should be, viewed as a force that is cleansing its own country of terrorists that have killed over 40,000 of its own citizens most of them innocent civilians.

Yes force is not always the solution but remember how many times have talks taken place and the talks have only been viewed by the terrorists as surrender. The terrorists have also not backed down from any of their demands. Have you forgotten what they did in Swat when they controlled it?

So bottom line is what will the negotiation entail and what will it achieve? Will it achieve peace?

How will it achieve peace? Since the terrorists are not going to change their demands even one bit

Have you ever read their manifesto/demands? For them is all or nothing. Are you ready to concede all of Pakistan to them?

Is it actually a surrender? If so why not just do it and get it over with rather than sacrificing more innocents

 

[mr42O]

I totaly agree but must start some were... first thing first stop killings

being in politics with guns is a lot worse than having guns and not being in politics.if they are encouraged in to the politics then first they must surrender.

Its not about soft corner NON OF US SUPPORTS TTP AND HATE REALY HATE THEM... but we must stop killings and get back on raod which is in very very bad shape but atleast we are heading to right direction.

if a person has soft corner for ttp or any other terrorist group, it doesn't mean he is supporting that group.every political party or even the governments have soft corners for these groups, especially if they are working in other countries.
like America support syrian rebels. Pak give moral support to Kashmiri fighters. and India support BLA.

 

[Indrajith]

It is a brillian Idea

It could split TTP or they could be integrated to national politics, only issue is that every body should foreget what they have done to the nation, however if this could stop further blood shed yes give it a try

Who ever is there sponsor will not allow this

 

[xyxmt]

To be honest i was also thinking did Imran Khan made a mistake by saying TTP should be allowed to open a office but i also could understand why he was saying that.

But after giving his idea second thoughts and talking with some other friends here is my view why Imran Khan's idea is brilliant. Reason is simple get them into politics , ask them to open office , sitt on table and talk , stop fighting. It will take time to change them but its only way. There are more than local ppl living in these area, ppl hiding from there goverment or from Pakistanies for there crimes as it has always been with these area.

Forget about politics and which party u belong to or even which country u are from. Can u realy think you can kill every one and take over area to live in peace ? Histroy speaks for itself after Americans leaving Afghanistan atleast most of them in 2014 it will be even harder to have any control. These groups will have even bigger area to play on and no way Afghans or Pakistan or any one else can control border.

You cant change people by force its a long time process with education etc etc.


And a suggestion to my PTI politicans please dont make comments like its 40% chance we can take control of waziristan by force etc etc. Atleast not in public.

thats like giving them ligitimacy same a giving an office to BLA also. you should stop talking to those people please

 

[forcetrip]

This is not the right direction. Its an incompetant direction that our forefathers have lead us to. This direction is more like we have to keep digging till we get to the other side because we actually are left with absolutely no other choice. We cant fight suicide bombers with an army. Suicide bombers are fought with money and education. Of which we don't have either. So let them open an embassy. Lets see if the next thing they force us to give them is their own country made out of this one.

 

[xyxmt]

will this be like an Embassy of Taliban, what land area will be given under their control
can we implement this same brilliant idea with BLA and give them half of Baluchistan and setup Embassy of BLA in Islo
yes please give them an inch and they will take the rest by force

one can only expect this kind of idea from Imran Khan of Mianwali, any movement starts with an idea be it a good or moronic idea and I hope no movement starts on this moronic idea....Please God save us from great leaders, give us corrupt but smart leaders not honest but stupid

 

[mr42O]

thx for understanding but some ppl cant understand it....

It is a brillian Idea

It could split TTP or they could be integrated to national politics, only issue is that every body should foreget what they have done to the nation, however if this could stop further blood shed yes give it a try

Who ever is there sponsor will not allow this

 

[Patriots]

In this post of yours, I fail to see a single point which actually points towards his stupidity? Remember one thing, the person who has ability to stand taller than the crowed gets controversial. You can question his acts but you can never doubt his sincerity. As I mentioned, peace will be very hard to go by not because it is pricey but because it will receive severe resistance. Lets also not forget that USA doesn't want this dialogue to happen.. after all there is some reason that soon after this statement from IK, Geo and Jang Group are trying their best to portray him an insincere and directionless person. What do you think attack on Churh has produced? What about Shahadat of Senior military personals? This is all to make dialogue more difficult.

Have hope, keep your questions but don't reach the conclusion so early.

I don't have doubt his sincerity & acts but I doubt about his vision which makes all his acts & sincerity doubted .....

 

[mr42O]

who is talking about giving HALF of this or that ??? go and read again

BLA u mean same BLA who is in goverment with PMLN ?? Who PMLN go and having meeting with before and after election ? comon

Want to fight ? good join army and fight its easy to send others children to do dirty work for u.

will this be like an Embassy of Taliban, what land area will be given under their control
can we implement this same brilliant idea with BLA and give them half of Baluchistan and setup Embassy of BLA in Islo
yes please give them an inch and they will take the rest by force

one can only expect this kind of idea from Imran Khan of Mianwali, any movement starts with an idea be it a good or moronic idea and I hope no movement starts on this moronic idea....Please God save us from great leaders, give us corrupt but smart leaders not honest but stupid

 

[xyxmt]

who is talking about giving HALF of this or that ??? go and read again

BLA u mean same BLA who is in goverment with PMLN ?? Who PMLN go and having meeting with before and after election ? comon

Want to fight ? good join army and fight its easy to send others children to do dirty work for u.

my dear teenage friend, when you give an office to someone you accept their legitimacy means you accept their rule in the area they operate. i have 2 shaeeds one my cusin and one nephew in last two years, you want to talk fighting with me you idiot, yes we fight till the last of Awans

 

[mr42O]

Before calling some one else idiot u should look at ur self. Teenager ? lol i am alot older than u.

And they are not operating now in there area lol....

my dear teenage friend, when you give an office to someone you accept their legitimacy means you accept their rule in the area they operate. i have 2 shaeeds one my cusin and one nephew in last two years, you want to talk fighting with me you idiot, yes we fight till the last of Awans

 

[xyxmt]

Before calling some one else idiot u should look at ur self. Teenager ? lol i am alot older than u.

And they are not operating now in there area lol....

you cant tell an idiots by looks alone and thats where you have been fooled by Imran