Why I wear a Burqa: Burqa gives protection and respect

[Communist]

Its a known fact that there are gay rapists too, not only in prison, but on the streets. hence communist must wear burkha.

I have not ever heard about any such gay rape case.

Also, there are paedophiles in society too, hence all children 2 months and older must wear burkha, otherwise they deserve whats coming their way. their nudity must indeed be provocative to paedophiles, these babies are getting all immoral.

Again you are derailing the thread. Why are you intentionally confusing pedophile tendency of a psychologically misbalanced abnormal pervert and a normal rapist?

There are some mentally abnormal perverts also who do not even spare innocent animals. But that is another question.

Well an Indian member, Shravan whose avatar is Aishwariya once posted a remarkable photo of the statue of a Temple's sculpture somewhere in India where animal torture is worshipped. Though the post was deleted by mods as it was an open pornographic item.

 

[TopCat]

A clear case of attemped forced conversion by fundamentalist extremist islamist. A prime example of how non muslim females are targetted in Islamic nations and subjected to abuse, beating and rape. Only way you can survive in the ground level situation is by converting to Islam.

What kind of a premitive threat is that - If you dont want to be raped then convert to Islam or atleast wear traditional Islamic dresses?

You have no idea about the western jail dude. They just dont care whether you are a male or female. Dont even think of going to jail anyplace other than a Islamic country in West.

 

[Communist]

@shukla,

My argument is concerned with the rape crimes committed by strangers only. I know there are some forced sexual interactions without mutual consent that take place within the four walls on various occasions. Thats entirely a different topic.

Actually the opening of the thread is not about rape, but also every kind of abusing and molestation. I wanted to say, sometimes women if they are civilized in their attire can generate respect among men. Its not moral policing. Its a brotherly suggestion to my sisters.

 

[shukla_swapnil]

I have not ever heard about any such gay rape case.

Well you were too engrossed into books of Chanakyan diplomacy to notice whats happening to the world around you. Wake up... Its 2009. USSR has broken and even China has diluted communism with Capitalism. Only communist nation is North Korea and I leave it upto you and google to find out whats happening there. Just in case you are not aware, google is an internet search engine.

As for the gay Rapes, earlier link I provided would work. To clarify here is the relevant quote

he U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics (1999) estimated that 91% of U.S. rape victims are female.

Which means remaining 9 percent were Males.

Why are you intentionally confusing pedophile tendency of a psychologically misbalanced abnormal pervert and a normal rapist?

Again dont see any Chanakya Diplomacy when I point out that you used the term "NORMAL RAPIST" .What makes you think that rapist are normal and not psycologically imbalanced. In a civilized society balanced and normal people dont rape.

I dont understand this sympathy you have with your poor "normal" rapist. Instead to condemning his acts you are providing justification that he is encouraged and seduced by females????

Really a shameful quote.

 

[Communist]

Which means remaining 9 percent were Males.

And how many of the remaining 9% are actually eunuchs? Can you give me that stat also?

Come on, lets put exceptions aside.

Again dont see any Chanakya Diplomacy when I point out that you used the term "NORMAL RAPIST" .What makes you think that rapist are normal and not psycologically imbalanced. In a civilized society balanced and normal people dont rape.

I dont understand this sympathy you have with your poor "normal" rapist. Instead to condemning his acts you are providing justification that he is encouraged and seduced by females????

Really a shameful quote.

When did I show sympathy to the criminals? But as far as the criminology is concerned, there are different types of crimes which can be categorized by the nature of crimes and modus operandi. Thus all criminals do not get a uniform punishment and thus there are various degrees of punishments also as far as your own Indian penal codes are concerned.

 

[shukla_swapnil]

@shukla,

My argument is concerned with the rape crimes committed by strangers only. I know there are some forced sexual interactions without mutual consent that take place within the four walls on various occasions. Thats entirely a different topic.

Actually the opening of the thread is not about rape, but also every kind of abusing and molestation. I wanted to say, sometimes women if they are civilized in their attire can generate respect among men. Its not moral policing. Its a brotherly suggestion to my sisters.

First of all let me commend you for changing your stance faster than you ideology.

On the topic, Who gives you, me or anyone for that matter to decide what females need to wear to earn respect? Do you think they dont know what to wear? and does burkha only provide the protection to them?

I think the basic argument you want to promote is that you can give respect only to Muslim females. Although I am not aware of your religious background but I can assure that most of the Muslims brothers dont think like that.

 

[DarkStar]

Thread reopened

 

[DarkStar]

Let me venture into the debate here.

It is a common misconception -even among muslims- that a woman is ordered to be 'veiled' either because she is too provactive a creature to be let loose upon the male society and men would not be able to stop themselves, an argument some here made.

The other being that a woman is veiled and segregated to protect others from her highly charged urges.

Both are blatantly, and obviously wrong,and arise from a misunderstanding of the reasons behind the veil.

First and foremost, both men and women have to abide by a dress code under Islamic teachings, the man should wear a dress that is from his shins upwards, upto the neck, and till the wrists. HOwever, due to practical reasons, the man may go barechested, but it is disapproved.

So in essence, the only difference between a man and woman's usual Islamic dress, is her covering her hair and neck. Since many men also cover their hair with caps, turbans, cloths, the difference is minimal.

The reasons are modesty, and giving the society a semblence of piety.

Although the recent research in Egypt asks some searching questions, one has to look upon the pervailing socio-economic and cultural aspects that are coming into play there. A majority of young blooded males are not able to marry in Egypt, due to financial constraints. Nor do they seek to vent their urges in other ways, so the frustration can be seen taken out on the streets. It is ugly, but the phenomenon has nothing to do with actually wearing the 'veil'.

Islam enjoins a healthy sexuality, within married life. Outside, it is frowned upon, and every avenue that may lead to this is also disliked. Which is where veiling, and soft-segregation come in.

The woman's body is not to be seen as a commodity, to have and use, maybe even abuse. The woman, or man for that matter, must not be judged by superficial things like the size of certain assets, the length of her legs, etc. basically her looks.

The excessive commodotising of women's body that is seen in the West, is not a healthy alternative. Western feminists are also vocal in their opposition to such trends, which is why shows like beautfy pageants, and miss world competitions, are not shown on most terristorial tv. channels in Europe anymore.

 

[rubyjackass]

Indian members please learn to respect an individual's character. It seems that when you lose all your arguments, you attack the individual by pulling his leg as usual.

Dude! No offence intended with that 'Lagee...' comment.
Was just relishing a light moment.

 

[shukla_swapnil]

Let me venture into the debate here.

It is a common misconception -even among muslims- that a woman is ordered to be 'veiled' either because she is too provactive a creature to be let loose upon the male society and men would not be able to stop themselves, an argument some here made.

The other being that a woman is veiled and segregated to protect others from her highly charged urges.

Both are blatantly, and obviously wrong,and arise from a misunderstanding of the reasons behind the veil.

First and foremost, both men and women have to abide by a dress code under Islamic teachings, the man should wear a dress that is from his shins upwards, upto the neck, and till the wrists. HOwever, due to practical reasons, the man may go barechested, but it is disapproved.

So in essence, the only difference between a man and woman's usual Islamic dress, is her covering her hair and neck. Since many men also cover their hair with caps, turbans, cloths, the difference is minimal.

The reasons are modesty, and giving the society a semblence of piety.

Although the recent research in Egypt asks some searching questions, one has to look upon the pervailing socio-economic and cultural aspects that are coming into play there. A majority of young blooded males are not able to marry in Egypt, due to financial constraints. Nor do they seek to vent their urges in other ways, so the frustration can be seen taken out on the streets. It is ugly, but the phenomenon has nothing to do with actually wearing the 'veil'.

Islam enjoins a healthy sexuality, within married life. Outside, it is frowned upon, and every avenue that may lead to this is also disliked. Which is where veiling, and soft-segregation come in.

The woman's body is not to be seen as a commodity, to have and use, maybe even abuse. The woman, or man for that matter, must not be judged by superficial things like the size of certain assets, the length of her legs, etc. basically her looks.

The excessive commodotising of women's body that is seen in the West, is not a healthy alternative. Western feminists are also vocal in their opposition to such trends, which is why shows like beautfy pageants, and miss world competitions, are not shown on many terristorial tv. channels in Europe anymore.

Welcome to the debate but I beg to say that you have again diverted from the topic of the discussion. If we were discussing that whether Islam asks / permisses / forces Burkha beleive me I would not even have been a party to the argument as Muslims follow their holy scripture by the letter and I have not read all of it.

The argument here was of common sense and understanding behind burkha and that every female should wear burkha. I can very well understnd that Islam has provided a dresscode and every practicing Muslim should follow it, but if we apply the same logic then every Sikh would "CONVINCE" (or try to convince) everyone to have a beard and carry a Kripan with him, which again would be unfair.

The sole discussion is whether Burkha is required in our society to gain respect and whether we are right in "CONVINCING" females in our society to wear burkha irrespective of their being Muslim of not. I say one should not.

Every female has the wit, decency and common sense do dress up properly for the occasion. She should be free to choose what she has to wear as much as any male is. Why should we try and convince any female that her entire and body should be covered in a veil and loose hanging dress.

We consider females smart enough to run our nations (India, Pakistan and Bangladesh have all had Female leaders) but they are not smart enough to choose what they wear. That reminds me that Late Benazeer bhutto never wore a Burkha but did that ever deter her from gaining respect or were some people lusting at her. Indira Gandhi had an excellent dressing sense and was very well respected.

 

[Communist]

The reasons are modesty, and giving the society a semblence of piety.

Although the recent research in Egypt asks some searching questions, one has to look upon the pervailing socio-economic and cultural aspects that are coming into play there. A majority of young blooded males are not able to marry in Egypt, due to financial constraints. Nor do they seek to vent their urges in other ways, so the frustration can be seen taken out on the streets. It is ugly, but the phenomenon has nothing to do with actually wearing the 'veil'.

Islam enjoins a healthy sexuality, within married life. Outside, it is frowned upon, and every avenue that may lead to this is also disliked. Which is where veiling, and soft-segregation come in.

The woman's body is not to be seen as a commodity, to have and use, maybe even abuse. The woman, or man for that matter, must not be judged by superficial things like the size of certain assets, the length of her legs, etc. basically her looks.

The excessive commodotising of women's body that is seen in the West, is not a healthy alternative. Western feminists are also vocal in their opposition to such trends, which is why shows like beautfy pageants, and miss world competitions, are not shown on many terristorial tv. channels in Europe anymore.

One of the greatest posts I have come across. I could not say it in a better way.

 

[Communist]

Every female has the wit, decency and common sense do dress up properly for the occasion. She should be free to choose what she has to wear as much as any male is. Why should we try and convince any female that her entire and body should be covered in a veil and loose hanging dress.

I too believe in that. But "She should be free to choose what she has to wear as much as any male is."

As much as any male can, obeying the norms and customs and respecting the values of the society.

 

[happy.muslimah]

wow so sweet women..yes burqa gives protection..i also wear burqa and feel very comfortable..it is beauty..mashAllah..

 

[Sambha]

^ subhaanallah

 

[happy.muslimah]

You have to be badly screwed up in your head to actually compare a prison situation to the society at large or to consider that a bunch of thugs in a prison cell are true representatives of the outside world. You have to be a mental contortionist to do that.

If in a society, a woman needs to cover herself from her head to toe to save herself, then it means that the society is composed of horny perverts. It doesn't speak too highly of that society or at least of the male component of that society. (On second thought, that society is, perhaps, a true representative of a prison)

Now many are saying that burqa is not forced. What exactly is this thing called "force" in the context of burqa. I am sure, a woman is rarely forced to wear a burqa with a gun held to her head or is rarely beaten up by her father, brother, husband or son for not wearing burqa. But what about "force" in disguise, like peer pressure or social discrimination.
Someone mentioned that to earn respect a woman must wear burqa or that a woman in burqa is more respected than the one who is not wearing a burqa. What is this, if not peer/social pressure.

ohh plz stop it..i m muslim women and i wear burqa no one force me..when i wear bura i feel safe in it and every one respect me..and we are muslim womens very happy and we dont want to be like western women..their fathers bro husband sell them in the name of art and culture..and thanks Allah we are very happy and dont want to show our body infront of other mens...so if u dont know how we are living and what islam is then plz stop urs comments and first read your own holy books what they say about women...

i love islam and we muslim womens love islam plz dont care for muslimahs we are very happy...