why hype of Pakistan Russian relations is just a HYPE

[Ind4Ever]

Pakistan friends on PDF !

Since you don't know about Russians hear from one of their best friend. Rite Now Russians ARE Short Of nearly 30 billion dollars for their economic mess . AND THEY ARE NOT IN THE POSITION FOR CHARITY Funds. They need lots of money. They are literally selling what ever they have to get money and build their armed forces to out match China and Americans. Now why Russians want to sell weapons to Pakistan ? Any way pakistan is cash strapped now. May be Chinese provide funds ? They should be . But already lots of funds been dispatched to Pakistan on soft loan for building war ships fighter jets etc. And Pakistan also want more jf 17 and new 6 submatines which will cost a huge amount from Chinese budget. But things have changed China is not growing but slowing down. They need money to build up their fleets .

Coming to ur point . Russia used it to push India to fast track the deals and pour in Money into russian economy. That's what we saw few days ago before Obama visit . There must have been a understanding between India and Russia . Surely India should have complained about arm sales to China and Pakistan and problems on joint ventures tot. So both must have agreed to solve issues and back to normal. In fact we decided to fast track joint ventures and ink the deal as soon as possible to fund Russians. Including new lease for 2 nuclear submarine and FGFA MTA programme, mini bramos , Bramos A , Super Sukoi and additional 3 russian frigate which India already have capacity to build on their own. Which see nearly more than 10 billion dollars atleast . AND NO WONDER IF INDIA HELPED RUSSIA WITH CREDIT to solve their crisis. It will be hush hush .

So do you think russia will sell arms to Pakistan and for what ? Few million dollars and loss it's best friend and that to friend with deep pockets ? I guess not .

But Mr.Putin is not well for sometimes now. He has entered into state of trance where only war with NATO is the only option to come out of this state. So he might go ahead and abandon India and go ahead with Pakistan . Am sure Indo US close cooperation should have been discussed. During surprise visit of Russian Defence Minister meeting with Indian Defence Minister . And India must have conveyed it's point of view and it's own national threat from china and pakistan. Which Russia will presumably ll be mum until N word drops during war.

So there is no reason for Russians to sell weapons to Pakistan unless trance state of Mr. PUTIN make him fully crazy .

 

[Paksanity]

It is fairly simple. India no longer has Russia as its exclusive source of weapons. As a sovereign nation you chose to buy from west considering it best for you and without hurting your relations with Russia.

Now let's replace India with Russia. As a sovereign nation they chose to sell to Pakistan few weapons considering it best for their country without hurting their relations with India.

Just as we are not buying Putin's Russia to be our exclusive seller, India did not buy Russia to be exclusively theirs, especially when India broke the exclusive club first. Sounds reaonable, no?

 

[Pakistani shaheens]

Pakistan friends on PDF !

Sir allow me to answer your post!

Since you don't know about Russians hear from one of their best friend. Rite Now Russians ARE Short Of nearly 30 billion dollars for their economic mess . AND THEY ARE NOT IN THE POSITION FOR CHARITY Funds. They need lots of money. They are literally selling what ever they have to get money and build their armed forces to out match China and Americans. Now why Russians want to sell weapons to Pakistan ? Any way pakistan is cash strapped now.

Look the world politics is not like azwagie zindage, i mean its not like a wife and husband relation where the husband is not allowed to look into other girls, if so then his wife will be angry. The world politics is far beyond from what you have portrayed. The india is not a HOLY COW that everyone will cuttoff its relations with others inorder to form alliance with her. India is important i admit! but its not the only one here which is important in the region. Infact each and every country has its own importance due to its Geo and demographic dynamics. If Russia adopts such policy then it will be a suicide for them as it will totally isolate them from rest of the world.

May be Chinese provide funds ? They should be . But already lots of funds been dispatched to Pakistan on soft loan for building war ships fighter jets etc. And Pakistan also want more jf 17 and new 6 submatines which will cost a huge amount from Chinese budget.

No you are wrong here mate! you need to acquire more info regarding JF17 and those subs which we are BUYING from our friend, China.
We actually produce JF17, so we dont need to beg from others for it.

But things have changed China is not growing but slowing down. They need money to build up their fleets .

No! china is still growing and it will be a matter of time that it will cross USA and will attain number one spot in terms of biggest economy.

Surely India should have complained about arm sales to China and Pakistan and problems on joint ventures tot. So both must have agreed to solve issues and back to normal. In fact we decided to fast track joint ventures and ink the deal as soon as possible to fund Russians. Including new lease for 2 nuclear submarine and FGFA MTA programme, mini bramos , Bramos A , Super Sukoi and additional 3 russian frigate which India already have capacity to build on their own. Which see nearly more than 10 billion dollars atleast . AND NO WONDER IF INDIA HELPED RUSSIA WITH CREDIT to solve their crisis. It will be hush hush .

Why do you guys have this hobby of acting like a tradictional dehatie aurat?

So do you think russia will sell arms to Pakistan and for what ? Few million dollars and loss it's best friend and that to friend with deep pockets ? I guess not .

Yes Russia will sell its arm to us, its not because they are angry with india but instead they are just doing their business and increasing their market.

But Mr.Putin is not well for sometimes now. He has entered into state of trance where only war with NATO is the only option to come out of this state. So he might go ahead and abandon India and go ahead with Pakistan . Am sure Indo US close cooperation should have been discussed. During surprise visit of Russian Defence Minister meeting with Indian Defence Minister . And India must have conveyed it's point of view and it's own national threat from china and pakistan. Which Russia will presumably ll be mum until N word drops during war.
So there is no reason for Russians to sell weapons to Pakistan unless trance state of Mr. PUTIN make him fully crazy .

Just dont worry mate!
Mr Putin is a smart guy, he knows what he is doing. So chill!

 

[ares]

Has any Deal for those MI 35 been signed, if so for how for many and how much, when will they arrive?

As per my understanding, Pakistan was in desperate need for some attack helis in the on going offensive in Waziristan.

So what are Pakistanis waiting for?

 

[PakArmyFTW]

Has any Deal for those MI 35 been signed, if so for how for many and how much, when will they arrive?

As per my understanding, Pakistan was in desperate need for some attack helis in the on going offensive in Waziristan.

So what are Pakistanis waiting for?

Well, the deal has been approved but things have to be finalized or something, I guess. According to Janes.com PA will be getting around 20 A$$ WHOOPIN GUNSHIPS!

Hope we get them soon. They're freaking beasts.

 

[farhan_9909]

Has any Deal for those MI 35 been signed, if so for how for many and how much, when will they arrive?

As per my understanding, Pakistan was in desperate need for some attack helis in the on going offensive in Waziristan.

So what are Pakistanis waiting for?

MI 35 deal will be signed this summer

Operation in NW is over except in Datta khel and Shawal,the return of the IDPs will begin onwards 15th feb to the rest of the NW and in the meantime Shawal will also be cleared.

Operation in orakzai agency and related will follow soon

 

[Ind4Ever]

Sir allow me to answer your post!
Look the world politics is not like azwagie zindage, i mean its not like a wife and husband relation where the husband is not allowed to look into other girls, if so then his wife will be angry. The world politics is far beyond from what you have portrayed. The india is not a HOLY COW that everyone will cuttoff its relations with others inorder to form alliance with her. India is important i admit! but its not the only one here which is important in the region. Infact each and every country has its own importance due to its Geo and demographic dynamics. If Russia adopts such policy then it will be a suicide for them as it will totally isolate them from rest of the world.

Meri bhai. I agree . But why do you think Russians maintained arms distance from Pakistan for so long ? It actually affect our relationship . Because it's very sensitive issue as . India and pakistan are just next to each other . Arming India is against Pakistan as Arming pakistan is directly arming against India. But as u said world is changing . But since we already benefits Russians more than Pakistanis there is no reason to mess up our relationship.

No you are wrong here mate! you need to acquire more info regarding JF17 and those subs which we are BUYING from our friend, China.
We actually produce JF17, so we dont need to beg from others for it.

You are buying with Soft loans provided as credits . 6 submarines and 100 Jf17 will billion of dollars may be par with your entire budget. Don't forget about new frigates u got from Chinese and missile etc. It costs lots of money than u think.As of now pakistan economy is not that much worse but not very good also.

No! china is still growing and it will be a matter of time that it will cross USA and will attain number one spot in terms of biggest economy.Why do you guys have this hobby of acting like a tradictional dehatie aurat?

Yes they are growing but they missed their target this year already . And they too have lots of projects and they want to build massive build up to take on USA India and SCS countries . They can provide soft loans but it also have limits too. These are paid by their banks not to forget.

Yes Russia will sell its arm to us, its not because they are angry with india but instead they are just doing their business and increasing their market.

Just dont worry mate!
Mr Putin is a smart guy, he knows what he is doing. So chill!

But we won't allow it to sell weapons. As I said in my previous post . We will talk sentimental with Russian

 

[rockstar08]

Mil 35 can also be effective in maintaing peace in that region , after we flush those TTP pigs , we also need to keep check on their return , we cant let them regroup in Afghanistan , and attack Pakistan again , once we have these Mig 35, we can do more COIN operations on intelligence based and also put down our SSG in any case of Ground Operation or battle .. while the heli will provide air cover ..

 

[Ind4Ever]

Meri bhai. I agree . But why do you think Russians maintained arms distance from Pakistan for so long ? It actually affect our relationship . Because it's very sensitive issue as . India and pakistan are just next to each other . Arming India is against Pakistan as Arming pakistan is directly arming against India. But as u said world is changing . But since we already benefits Russians more than Pakistanis there is no reason to mess up our relationship.


You are buying with Soft loans provided as credits . 6 submarines and 100 Jf17 will billion of dollars may be par with your entire budget. Don't forget about new frigates u got from Chinese and missile etc. It costs lots of money than u think.As of now pakistan economy is not that much worse but not very good also.



Yes they are growing but they missed their target this year already . And they too have lots of projects and they want to build massive build up to take on USA India and SCS countries . They can provide soft loans but it also have limits too. These are paid by their banks not to forget.




But we won't allow it to sell weapons. As I said in my previous post . We will talk sentimental with Russian

May u may get lucky . Funny little world

 

[Guynextdoor2]

It is fairly simple. India no longer has Russia as its exclusive source of weapons. As a sovereign nation you chose to buy from west considering it best for you and without hurting your relations with Russia.

Now let's replace India with Russia. As a sovereign nation they chose to sell to Pakistan few weapons considering it best for their country without hurting their relations with India.

Just as we are not buying Putin's Russia to be our exclusive seller, India did not buy Russia to be exclusively theirs, especially when India broke the exclusive club first. Sounds reaonable, no?

India order of PAK- FA- $ 12 B+ Gorshkov & Nuke Sub= Annual Pak Defence Budget

 

[Paksanity]

You are missing the point. You can not place sanctions on the seller just because of the money. Russia may be smaller economy than India, but Russia has lot more influence as a world power. They are smart people and won't be dictated.

 

[Ind4Ever]

India order of PAK- FA- $ 12 B+ Gorshkov & Nuke Sub= Annual Pak Defence Budget

Pak Fa is 25 billion in current quotation it will be increased in the future . Gorahkov is 3 billion Akula sub 1.2 billion 10 year lease. Not to forget Sukoi , Super Sukoi , frigates , BrahMos etc

 

[karan.1970]

India order of PAK- FA- $ 12 B+ Gorshkov & Nuke Sub= Annual Pak Defence Budget

You overestimate PAk's defence budget .. Last I heard, it was under $ 7 billion

 

[Ind4Ever]

You are missing the point. You can not place sanctions on the seller just because of the money. Russia may be smaller economy than India, but Russia has lot more influence as a world power. They are smart people and won't be dictated.

Russia have bigger economy and military than India. So it not dictating but mutual respect . How often you will get time tested friendship. That too at the time when West sanctioned russia so heavily. More over Russia China has very complicated friendship. It's like friends for benefit . If one's need is over its done . Not in the case of India.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

You overestimate PAk's defence budget .. Last I heard, it was under $ 7 billion

Then probably our spare parts for tanks and trucks should be enough to match their defence spending, the rest of purchases will probably be equal to their entire GDP.