Why French Rafale Fighters and Meteor Missiles Can’t Solve India’s Problem with China’s Air Force

[Hindustani78]

If I was French, I would delay the delivery of Rafaels to India till things cool down with China. You really don't want your front line prized jet to be shot down so quickly after the delivery, and hand over the marketing/sales coup to the Chinese, who by any account will be rubbing their hands to avail this opportunity and show case their own products.

27th Feb 2019 was a huge embarrassment for the Israeli manufacturers.

Union of India Establisment - Hindustan Aeronautics Limited produces Aircrafts and Indian Air Force doesnt buy from Republic of France - Dassault Defense Industry made Rafales.

Yes, this is true that Modi Ji and Rahul Ji together started talks with Republic of France to buy Rafale Aircraft which has been rejected by Indian Armed Forces.

I am indian , but this is deadly ROFL ...........honestly the problem is indian corrupt leadership not soldiers or scientist to blame

Leadership is in the hands of Sarkar e Hindustan ! Modi Ji and Rahul Ji are not Sarkar e Hindustan ! Nor part of any Royal Families of Union of India !

 

[ziaulislam]

Why even bother with such a long article as the simple answer is the J-20 will kill Rafales before they even know one was around.

J10c (built in greater than 200) with PL 15 easily outdoes what ever rafale offers..
Let not bring the assets meant for japan and usa.

Usa knows its and india knows it...

Hence india has no plan to go to war or even provoke india..
India to china is like bangladesh to india..
Just keep it cool..

India mean adversary is pakistan

 

[Longhorn]

No F 16 can was shot down Indians hallucinations are not valid points. China's latest fighter jets plus their BVR plus the AWACS and plus the Electronic Warfare capabilities they have make them the biggest beast in the region. Your MKIs were humiliated by us.

Whooooooooossshhhhhhhh

 

[ziaulislam]

Sir not every one gets your key anaylsis

 

[Salman876]

If I was French, I would delay the delivery of Rafaels to India till things cool down with China. You really don't want your front line prized jet to be shot down so quickly after the delivery, and hand over the marketing/sales coup to the Chinese, who by any account will be rubbing their hands to avail this opportunity and show case their own products.

27th Feb 2019 was a huge embarrassment for the Israeli manufacturers.

Reputation is not destroyed by one jet shot down

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Union of India Establisment - Hindustan Aeronautics Limited produces Aircrafts and Indian Air Force doesnt buy from Republic of France - Dassault Defense Industry made Rafales.

Yes, this is true that Modi Ji and Rahul Ji together started talks with Republic of France to buy Rafale Aircraft which has been rejected by Indian Armed Forces.

Its irrelevant to talk about internal dynamics of India. Its about original manufacturer selling their coveted products to India and their protentional use against China. For example, Russia has already delayed the delivery of S400 to India till Dec 2021 and told India that its new order of Mig29 and Su30 will not be used against China (some reports suggests not even against Pakistan).

Unless India can buy 5th generation fighters from western sources, which it wont due to geopolitical implication and consequences, every solution out there on lower tiers including Rafael are useless against overwhelming superiority of PLAAF, quality and quantity wise. You just have to look at how JF17 is performing in DCS against the F16s, F15s, F18s of this world and its not even fully Chinese jet or used by PLAAF. This is just to give some idea.

China is the biggest competitor of western weapon manufacturers. To hand over western products to India which will be battered by China in any conflict is like a death warrant for the western companies and will be exploited by China to pitch its own weapons to the global weapons market.

Reputation is not destroyed by one jet shot down

Its just not one jet but overall outcome, failures at many levels. The fact that Pakistan rubbed the salt on Israeli manufacturer wounds by mentioning them in the official documentary about OP swift retort, says a lot.

 

[Salman876]

Its irrelevant to talk about internal dynamics of India. Its about original manufacturer selling their coveted products to India and their protentional use against China. For example, Russia has already delayed the delivery of S400 to India till Dec 2021 and told India that its new order of Mig29 and Su30 will not be used against China (some reports suggests not even against Pakistan).

Unless India can buy 5th generation fighters from western sources, which it wont due to geopolitical implication and consequences, every solution out there on lower tiers including Rafael are useless against overwhelming superiority of PLAAF, quality and quantity wise. You just have to look at how JF17 is performing in DCS against the F16s, F15s, F18s of this world and its not even fully Chinese jet or used by PLAAF. This is just to give some idea.

China is the biggest competitor of western weapon manufacturers. To hand over western products to India which will be battered by China in any conflict is like a death warrant for the western companies and will be exploited by China to pitch its own weapons to the global weapons market.



Its just not one jet but overall outcome, failures at many levels. The fact that Pakistan rubbed the salt on Israeli manufacturer wounds by mentioning them in the official documentary about OP swift retort, says a lot.

It is a question mark on IAF, not manufacturers

 

[Taimoor Khan]

It is a question mark on IAF, not manufacturers

From 30:50

 

[Hindustani78]

Its irrelevant to talk about internal dynamics of India. Its about original manufacturer selling their coveted products to India and their protentional use against China.

Indians are Original Manufacturer of Indian Defense Equipment !

For example, Russia has already delayed the delivery of S400 to India till Dec 2021 and told India that its new order of Mig29 and Su30 will not be used against China (some reports suggests not even against Pakistan).

Iranian Air Defenses Command and Pakistan Air Defenses Command are User of Cy-400 Where as Indian Air Defenses Command , Use Indian Defense Industries made Air Defenses Systems !

Unless India can buy 5th generation fighters from western sources, which it wont due to geopolitical implication and consequences, every solution out there on lower tiers including Rafael are useless against overwhelming superiority of PLAAF, quality and quantity wise.

Indian Air Force & Indian Navy has already inducted 5th Generation Fighter Aircraft ! Made in India ! Made by Indians !

You just have to look at how JF17 is performing in DCS against the F16s, F15s, F18s of this world and its not even fully Chinese jet or used by PLAAF. This is just to give some idea.

Indian Defense Experts are aware that Pakistan Aircraft Technicians have contributed good enough in Jiang Federation 17 Thunder and even this that Chinese Establishment respects Pakistan Truthness for them.

China is the biggest competitor of western weapon manufacturers. To hand over western products to India which will be battered by China in any conflict is like a death warrant for the western companies and will be exploited by China to pitch its own weapons to the global weapons market.

Chinese Defense Industries are having full Agreements of Transfer of Technology with European Military Powers ! Chinese and Ruse are the ones who are transferring Technology to the European Military Powers.

After the Normandy Format Talks , Chinese Air Force Pilots are being seen defending European Military Powers Skies ! Salut France !

Its just not one jet but overall outcome, failures at many levels. The fact that Pakistan rubbed the salt on Israeli manufacturer wounds by mentioning them in the official documentary about OP swift retort, says a lot.

Occupier of Palestine are not Genius ! French and British Technology mostly but in the 1990's Rus Federation open support for the Occupier of Palestine did hurted the Ahle Yahuda but in 2020 again the tide is with Ahle Yahuda ! Cy-400 were completely knocked out by the Arya- Arab-Turk League !

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Indians are Original Manufacturer of Indian Defense Equipment !

???

Iranian Air Defenses Command and Pakistan Air Defenses Command are User of Cy-400 Where as Indian Air Defenses Command , Use Indian Defense Industries made Air Defenses Systems !

S400 is Russian, Spyder/Phalcon/greenpine are Isreali, so on and so forth

Indian Air Force & Indian Navy has already inducted 5th Generation Fighter Aircraft ! Made in India ! Made by Indians !

Good satire.

Indian Defense Experts are aware that Pakistan Aircraft Technicians have contributed good enough in Jiang Federation 17 Thunder and even this that Chinese Establishment respects Pakistan Truthness for them.

Whatever it is , not going to help India in actually combat, as proven on during OP swift retort. China is on a different level.

Chinese Defense Industries are having full Agreements of Transfer of Technology with European Military Powers ! Chinese and Ruse are the ones who are transferring Technology to the European Military Powers.

After the Normandy Format Talks , Chinese Air Force Pilots are being seen defending European Military Powers Skies ! Salut France !

Hope you caught the drift. Rest is irrelevant.

Occupier of Palestine are not Genius ! French and British Technology mostly but in the 1990's Rus Federation open support for the Occupier of Palestine did hurted the Ahle Yahuda but in 2020 again the tide is with Ahle Yahuda ! Cy-400 were completely knocked out by the Arya- Arab-Turk League !

What would make Ahle Hanud, to put trust in the products of Ahle Yahud who are not genius?

We got Mig21s. Enough for both PAF & PLAAF. Overkill for Lolwadesh

Have a word with Abhi none done.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Abhi has shot down F16. Top fighter in PAF. So not a issue at all.

Abhi has shot down F16. Top fighter in PAF. So not a issue at all.

watch this with open eyes and mind. It will be better to have some education before coming to reputable forums otherwise you will only humiliate yourself and your country.

 

[zhxy]

Su-57 is much better than Rafale

 

[alphapak]

Abhi has shot down F16. Top fighter in PAF. So not a issue at all.

He also shot down a F35 and F22, all without firing a single missile.
Legend is saving Indian Air Force money by not firing a missile but
at the same time getting fantastic results.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

We got Mig21s. Enough for both PAF & PLAAF. Overkill for Lolwadesh

Last time someone said that, Abhi was thrashed later on the ground

 

[M.Bison]

I stopped at "muh $242 million per Rafale". As always people always divide the number of aircrafts with the overall cost of the deal when the €8 billion package includes offsets (half of that cost),training,new infrastructures to induct a new type of aircrafts into the Indian air force..... undisclosed number of air to ground bombs and air to air missiles,key demands of the client regarding the integration of specific weapons and systems etc.

Yeah, but who buys a gun without bullets? No one is going to buy a rafale without the missiles or training that comes along with it. It is all part of the final cost of using the weapon. The French saw the Russians making idiots out of the Indians and tried their hand and succeeded. No one is blaming the french. Rather the Indians are to blame because time and time again they rely on just weapon systems and not overall military capability. Like you said it's not about aircraft vs aircraft and there are other factors to be considered.