Why Don't Indian Muslims Emigrate to Pakistan?

[Khan_21]

Have you ever been to India? We live with more dignity than you could possible imagine, but then again, why am I wasting my time typing this? Pardon me.

we don't kill people here just because they eat something . And no I live in a very clean and neat city here I wouldn't want to come to Mumbai

 

[ravi gupta]

Firstly they must be the right kind of muslims, and secondly even the people who migrated from here during 47 are looked upon as spies, called mujahirs or whatever, and are brutally suppressed , and then there is the failing economy,bad medical care etc etc. which causes even many Pakistani muslims to migrate to India, esp the high profile ones who can get easy citizenship...and then you also have to be the right type of muslim otherwise you get caught in green on green clashes....., why wish this upon yourself?

They are also called RAW agent in Pakistan and keep blaming that they are getting fund from RAW.

 

[Zibago]

They know they will be treated very badly in Pakistanan and will be called mauhajirs.
MQM is the party form to fight for the right of mauhajirs kaum.They are not given priority in
government job and treated as a outsiders.

Hain ji my mother side of family migrated from Jammu during partition i call your rant bs
@haviZsultan

 

[The Sandman]

They are also called RAW agent in Pakistan and keep blaming that they are getting fund from RAW.

HA HA HA
http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/201...-from-raw-mqm-man-confesses-to-london-police/
here have this too and there are so many others saying same thing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajmal_Pahari

 

[Bombaywalla]

we don't kill people here just because they eat something . And no I live in a very clean and neat city here I wouldn't want to come to Mumbai

LOL now you're nit picking about the whole beef eating/lynching episode. You make it sound like people roam the streets looking for beef eaters - utterly ridiculous!

Fine, stay in your 'neat and clean' city and give south Asia's beautifully cosmopolitan, nightlife-rich, entertainment and financial capital a miss. Your loss!

 

[Zibago]

Firstly they must be the right kind of muslims otherwise you get caught in green on green type clashes, and secondly even the people who migrated from here during 47 are looked upon as spies, called mujahirs or whatever, and are brutally suppressed , and then there is the failing economy,bad medical care etc etc. which causes even many Pakistani muslims to migrate to India, esp the high profile ones who can get easy citizenship.... why migrate to pak and invite all these problems

Nawaz,Musharaf,Mamnoon,Edhi,Abdul Qadir,Javed Miandad,Zia Ul Haq are just a few people you call Muhajirs

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Why? Why?

The reasons are obvious. Who would leave India for Pakistan?

That said, there are restrictions on migration of this kind and they should be removed. Those who wishes to leave for any country should be allowed to.

 

[Khan_21]

LOL now you're nit picking about the whole beef eating/lynching episode. You make it sound like people roam the streets looking for beef eaters - utterly ridiculous!

Fine, stay in your 'neat and clean' city and give south Asia's beautifully cosmopolitan, nightlife-rich, entertainment and financial capital a miss. Your loss!

You cannot deny that Muslims face discrimination there . The beef lynching has happened on numerous occasions not once . It's not beef , house sale only . Lets have a look at NYtimes article .

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/17/world/asia/india-muslims-modi.html?_r=0

NEW DELHI — Like real estate agents the world over, Rahul Rewal asks his clients if they have children or pets, since both limit options. But there is another crucial but often unspoken question: Are they Muslim?

“I tailor the list of places that I show Muslims because many landlords, even in upper-class neighborhoods, will not rent to them,” Mr. Rewal said. “Most don’t even bother hiding their bigotry.”

Discrimination against Muslims in India is so rampant that many barely muster outrage when telling of the withdrawn apartment offers, rejected job applications and turned-down loans that are part of living in the country for them. As a group, Muslims have fallen badly behind Hindus in recent decades in education, employment and economic status, with persistent discrimination a key reason. Muslims are more likely to live in villages without schools or medical facilities and less likely to qualify for bank loans.

 

[nair]

It can be as ridiculous as lynching people for eating beef or simple as discriminating against them in all walks of life . Have a look at this . In Mumbai you discriminate for not giving houses to muslim's to rent or sale . How ridiculous is this?

So Few such incidents makes you feel that "Pakistan" would be heaven for an Indian Muslim right???

 

[Khan_21]

So Few such incidents makes you feel that "Pakistan" would be heaven for an Indian Muslim right???

Muslim discrimination is not just limited to beef incidents . Just look at the article I have posted above .

 

[ravi gupta]

Nawaz,Musharaf,Mamnoon,Edhi,Abdul Qadir,Javed Miandad,Zia Ul Haq are just a few people you call Muhajirs

We dont call them muhajirs its you people coin the term muhajirs to seperate them from rest.
There are mant Anmedis lined up for the Indian citizenship.
We have also welcome Adnan Sani.

 

[Khan_21]

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/fe...as-hindus-india-jobs-2013129134443863250.html

After taking off her silver armband embossed with the word "Allah" in Arabic, Ayesha Begum puts red-and-white conch bangles on her wrists and vermillion powder on her forehead - the signs of a traditional Hindu woman in eastern India.

Begum, a Muslim, changes her appearance every morning before she leaves her home, 50km east of Kolkata, the capital of West Bengal state, where she works as a housekeeper in a private hospital.

"Through the day in the hospital I maintain this Hindu appearance. Everyone there knows me as Hindu and calls me 'Lakshmi' - a popular Hindu moniker," Begum, in her early 30's, told Al Jazeera.

"When I did not succeed in getting a job, I followed the advice of some friends and posed as a Hindu. Soon I landed this job in a hospital."

Hospital officials asked her to get more female housekeepers from her village. "When I told them there were Muslim women who were looking for jobs, they said it would be better if I brought non-Muslim candidates," she said.

Begum's case is not unique. Many Muslims in India complain they face religious discrimination in the country's Hindu-dominated job market. Muslims who have secured jobs pretending to be Hindus are fiercely secretive about their place of work.

Noorjahan Khatoon, 42, who lives in a suburban slum and works as a domestic cook in a Hindu household in a posh Kolkata neighbourhood says none, not even her close relatives know where exactly she is employed.

"My children do not know in which colony I work, let alone the identity of my employer. I don't share any information about my workplace with anyone," saidKhatoon, who puts on conch bangles and vermillion powder on the partition of her hair to keep up a Hindu appearance.

"I am sure if my employers learn I am Muslim, I will be fired."

Placement agencies

Muslims posing as Hindus are mostly found in menial jobs in the unorganised sector where worker's identity documents are not usually sought.

Some placement agencies across the country are helping Muslims find jobs in Hindu workplaces by introducing them as Hindus.

Nearly all clients in my agency are Hindu and most of them prefer not to employ Muslim.

- Sudhin Bose, former manager of a domestic help placement agency

Recently, when a domestic helper was found dead at the residence of a Bahujan Samaj Party (BSP) member of parliament in New Delhi, police discovered the victim was a Muslim woman from West Bengal working there while wearing Hindu attire.

During interrogation, the manager of a New Delhi-based private placement agency told police he had introduced the woman as a Hindu - and he had done likewise with several other Muslim candidates to get them jobs in the national capital.

Sudhin Bose, who managed a domestic help placement agency in Kolkata until recently, agreed that a good number of Muslims work in the city pretending to be Hindus.

"Nearly all clients in my agency are Hindu and most of them prefer not to employ Muslims," Bose told Al Jazeera.

"More than half the job-seekers our agency placed were Muslims from nearby villages and city slums. Often we introduced them as Hindus to our Hindu clients - and they got the jobs."

"I am sure many placement agencies adopt such secret policies out of mutual interest to help Muslims find jobs in the city," he said.

Religious bias

In 2005, the government appointed the Sachar Commission to investigate whether Muslims were disadvantaged in social, economic and educational terms.

The commission concluded the socio-economic condition of most Muslims was as bad as that of the Dalits, who are at the bottom rung of the Hindu-caste hierarchy, also referred to as the "untouchables."

Ayesha Pervez, who works on minority issues and has authored reports on India's working Muslims, said job-seeking Muslims face the hurdle of discrimination even outside unorganised sectors.

"The discrimination - which is nothing but religious identity-based exclusion - exists in organised government sectors too. In West Bengal, Muslims constitute 27 percent of the population. But their representation in state-government jobs is as low as four percent," Pervez told Al Jazeera.

"Workplace discrimination forces Muslims to adopt fake Hindu identities. Because of this discrimination, most Muslims are unable to upgrade their standard of living."

Widespread prejudice against Muslims also keeps them from living in urban India, Pervez added.

Hostility

Although most agree that anti-Muslim prejudice has long existed in predominantly Hindu Indian society, the situation for Muslims has turned increasingly hostile in several states in the past couple of decades. This is a result of increased aggression of Hindu nationalist organisations, says social activist Ram Puniyani.

Sometimes I feel I have done something morally wrong by faking a Hindu identity, and have downgraded my own religion.

- Ayesha Begum, Muslim woman posing as a Hindu to get a job

Soon after 2002 communal violence in western Gujarat state - when more than 1,000 people, mostly Muslims, were killed in riots - several Hindu organisations launched a propaganda campaign asking Hindus to boycott Muslims in all day-to-day dealings.

"Such a phenomenon leads to fear psychosis amongst the targeted community," said Puniyani, who campaigns in support of communal harmony.

"This feeling of insecurity [among Muslims] is intensified by the increased economic challenges to make both ends meet - with livelihood issues on one hand and a social divisiveness, leading to ghettoisation on the other.

"Such ghettoisation of Muslims in cities like Mumbai and Ahmadabad clearly shows how the mutual trust among communities has vanished. And so the socio-economic enhancement of the minority community has stalled."

Many Muslims say they feel awkward at having to masquerade as Hindus.

"Sometimes I feel I have done something morally wrong by faking a Hindu identity, and have downgraded my own religion," Begum said.

"I shall be very happy if some day I get a good job where I shall be free from this guise."

@Bombaywalla

 

[Bombaywalla]

You cannot deny that Muslims face discrimination there . The beef lynching has happened on numerous occasions not once . It's not beef , house sale only . Lets have a look at NYtimes article.

Delicious article highlighting the "discrimination" faced by a single community. Hardly surprising given how people lap-up this kind of nonsense on a regular basis. Like I said, everyone faces discrimination at some point or the other. You can nit pick all you want, it won't change the fact that Indian Muslims for the most part, are well placed and enjoy all the benefits this country has to offer. The reality on the ground is a lot different from what you imagine it to be. Anywho...

As a group, Muslims have fallen badly behind Hindus in recent decades in education, employment and economic status, with persistent discrimination a key reason. Muslims are more likely to live in villages without schools or medical facilities and less likely to qualify for bank loans.

The fact that many Muslims do not put education first, is reason enough for a lot of them falling behind other communities. This was the case even before partition.

 

[Khan_21]

http://indianexpress.com/article/in...m-seen-as-the-root-cause-of-nations-problems/


The by-election results in Bihar and UP are being viewed as a vindication of the deep-rooted and strong secular credentials of the nation. As heartening to the secular devotees is the Prime Minister’s statement that Indian Muslims would live and die for the country. However, the fact that the PM has thought it necessary to underline the patriotism of Muslims is in itself deeply disturbing. Implicit in the statement is the frightening reality of how the Muslim is viewed in today’s India.

I am an Indian but the fact that I am a Muslim has endangered my claim to equal citizenship. I say this not because of our laws which are unexceptionable but because of the mind-numbing environment of hostility and prejudice, the inexorable growth of sheer distrust and hatred for the Muslim and all that he represents.

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Although the Muslims are near the bottom of the socio-economic ladder and at par with the Dalits in almost every human development index, the public discourse today is not about the economic and educational backwardness of this beleaguered community but about the huge affliction they are in the nation’s social fabric.

The plight of the ordinary Muslim is getting progressively worse. Living on the margins of society, he has always been up against it in the field of education, in the job market, even when looking for accommodation. He is also burdened with the stigma of being in tacit collusion with terrorists. But hitherto, the discrimination and the distrust of the Muslim were covert. Now the gloves are off and the hatred is in-your-face.

Like never before, the Muslim is viewed not just as “the other” but as the root cause of the nation’s problems. The most pernicious myths are being given the widest publicity — about forced conversion of Hindu girls as a “love jihad” conspiracy to distort the population ratio, about every conversion to Islam creating one more enemy for Hindus, about 90 per cent of all rapes being committed by Muslims, about Muslims provoking riots, about there being no place for non-Muslims in areas where there are more than 35 per cent Muslims. The miasma of distrust, of hate, of prejudice hangs like a black cloud over the community.

Today Praveen Togadia is passé. What was the narrative of the shakhas and the fulminations of right wing fundamentalists are now mainstream discourse. The most inflammatory and divisive rhetoric has become commonplace. Leading a long list of hate mongers, Member of Parliament, Sakshi Maharaj, uses the public platform to allege that the madrasas across the country are imparting the ‘education of terror’ and ‘love jihad’.
Maneka Gandhi, Minister and inveterate animal lover, has no qualms in making the outrageously mendacious statement that profits from trade of slaughtered animals go into financing terrorism. Senior police officers express the most poisonous views against Muslims and Islam in their internet discussion forum on Yahoo.

At a time when there are legitimate fears of Hindu majoritarianism, a Supreme Court judge has publicly announced that if he had been the dictator of India, he would have introduced Gita and Mahabharata in schools. Tragically, these deviant thoughts, which violate the basic canons of secular humanism, are not an aberration but an everyday, recurring theme in our fractured society.

In this iniquitous environment where even allegedly secular parties tango to the politics of community and caste, rational but lonesome voices like Fali Nariman, Rajmohan Gandhi and Meghnad Desai have warned against the anti-minority bigotry and rabid hate being freely aired in the public space and the studied silence of the governing class.

Significantly, Nariman in his keynote address at a National Minorities Commission forum had exhorted the commission to fulfill its constitutional mandate of protecting the interests of minorities by filing criminal complaints and taking other strong measures to counter the hate tirades against minorities. In limp response, the commission has appealed to the Home Minister to take suitable action, thereby reinforcing the view of minorities that they cannot depend on state institutions for redress of their problems.

It is unfortunate that the observations of such enlightened individuals do not constitute “breaking news” and are hence consigned to peripheral by lines whereas the hate-soaked ranting of a Yogi Adityanath captures banner headlines and ‘eyeballs’. With the media’s lopsided focus on the sensational, everybody knows what the Yogi has said. But the rational voice is muted. It is high time that the media seriously introspected on how it projects such nation-threatening issues.

Significantly, those who are working to create a permanent rift between communities and isolate the Muslims are actually executing the pernicious plot of the separatists and other enemies of the state who thrive on social discord. It is foolhardy to believe that the nation can progress by banishing 150 million Indians into ghettoes and isolation.

Our Prime Minister has, in that most compelling slogan “Sabke saath sabka vikas”, nailed the panacea for the nation’s problems. This slogan needs to become a reality or else we face the deluge.

- See more at: http://indianexpress.com/article/in...use-of-nations-problems/#sthash.kCBCfH9J.dpuf

@Bombaywalla

 

[Zibago]

We dont call them muhajirs its you people coin the term muhajirs to seperate them from rest.
There are mant Anmedis lined up for the Indian citizenship.
We have also welcome Adnan Sani.

They coined that termed for themselves many still prefer to be called Urdu Speaking,Gujraris or Rajisthanis