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Why Donald Trump can't bully China on trade

As US President Donald Trump proceeds to destabilise the postwar global economic order, much of the world is collectively holding its breath. Commentators search for words to describe his assault on conventional norms of leadership and tolerance in a modern liberal democracy. The mainstream media, faced with a president who might sometimes be badly uninformed and yet really believes what he is saying, hesitate to label conspicuously false statements as lies.

But some would argue that beneath the chaos and bluster, there is an economic rationale to the Trump administration’s disorderly retreat from globalisation. According to this view, the US has been duped into enabling China’s ascendency, and one day Americans will come to regret it. We economists tend to view abdication of US world leadership as a historic mistake.

It is important to acknowledge that the roots of the anti-globalisation movement in the United States run much deeper than disenfranchised blue-collar workers. For example, some economists opposed the Trans-Pacific Partnership (a 12-country trade deal that would have covered 40% of the global economy) on the questionable grounds that it would have harmed American workers. It fact, the TPP would have opened Japan far more than it would have affected the US. Rejecting it only opens the door to Chinese economic dominance across the Pacific.

US populists, perhaps inspired by the writings of Thomas Piketty, seem unimpressed by the fact that globalisation has lifted hundreds of millions of desperately poor people in China and India into the global middle class. The liberal view of Asia’s rise is that it makes the world a fairer and more just place, where a person’s economic fate does not depend quite so much on where they happen to have been born.

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But a more cynical view permeates populist logic, namely that in its excessive adherence to globalism, the US has sown the seeds of its own political and economic destruction. Trumpism taps into this sense of national mortality; here is someone who thinks he can do something about it. The aim is not just to “bring home” American jobs, but to create a system that will extend US dominance.

“We should focus on our own” is the mantra of Trump and others. Unfortunately, with this attitude, it is hard to see how America can maintain the world order that has benefited it so much for so many decades. And make no mistake: America has been the big winner. No other large country is nearly as rich, and the US middle class is still very well off by global standards.

Yes, Democratic Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders was right that Denmark is a great place to live and does many things right. He might have mentioned, however, that Denmark is a relatively homogeneous country of 5.6 million people with a very low tolerance for immigration.

For better or for worse, the globalisation train has long since left the station, and the idea that one can turn it back is utterly naive. Whatever might have been done differently before US President Richard Nixon visited China in 1972 is no longer possible. The fate of China, and its role in the world, is now in the hands of the Chinese and their leaders. If the Trump administration thinks it can reset the clock by starting a trade war with China, it is as likely to accelerate China’s economic and military development as it is to slow it down.

So far, the Trump administration has only sparred with China, concentrating its early anti-trade rhetoric on Mexico. Although the North American Free Trade Agreement (Nafta), which Trump reviles, has likely had only modest effects on US trade and jobs, he has attempted to humiliate Mexicans insisting that they pay for his border wall, as if Mexico were a US colony.

The US is ill-advised to destabilise its Latin American neighbours. In the near term, Mexican institutions should prove quite robust; but in the long run, Trumpism, by encouraging anti-American sentiment, will undermine leaders otherwise sympathetic to US interests.

If the Trump administration tries such crude tactics with China, it will be in for a rude surprise. China has financial weapons, including trillions of dollars of US debt. A disruption of trade with China could lead to massive price increases in the low-cost stores – for example, Wal-Mart and Target – on which many Americans rely.

Moreover, huge swaths of Asia, from Taiwan to India, are vulnerable to Chinese aggression. For the moment, China’s military is relatively weak and would likely lose a conventional war with the US; but this situation is rapidly evolving, and China may soon have its own aircraft carriers and other more advanced military capabilities.

The US cannot “win” a trade war with China, and any victory will be pyrrhic. The US needs to negotiate hard with China to protect its friends in Asia and deal with the rogue state of North Korea. And the best way to get the good deals Trump says he seeks is to pursue a more open trade policy with China, not a destructive trade war.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/feb/09/why-donald-trump-cant-bully-china-on-trade
 
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Just so the other guy understands the reference.

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Speaking of a trade war, the foreign minister of Mexico recently said their country would fight back if the United States ever attempts to engage in one with them. Coupled with China, I wonder just how many countries Trump plans on provoking.

I would rather see Trump to continue in the same way as he did over the past two months.

Now I am waiting for his ISIS plan and hoping that US ground troops would be dispatched to clean up the mess that Obama-Hillary created for the region and the world.

Trump should spend more on the US military, they deserve it. The condition of veterans are horrible. Those people lost legs and arms in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan so the US would be great again.

We can leave moral victories to the US. Mercantilist-developmental statist victories are enough for us for now.
 
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Now I am waiting for his ISIS plan and hoping that US ground troops would be dispatched to clean up the mess that Obama-Hillary created for the region and the world.
I agree with this, but mostly because something like that would drag the United States into another costly war and distract their military expenditures from being spent against China.
 
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I agree with this, but mostly because something like that would drag the United States into another costly war and distract their military expenditures from being spent against China.

Definitely. This may keep them occupied, bleed money, and get distracted.

Besides, morally, too, they are required to help the factions that they have encouraged, such as the Kurdish minorities, to stand up, fight ISIS, and claim large areas in Syria and Iraq.
 
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Because US itself benefits greatly from trade with China despite the huge deficit, and any trade war with China will not bring back any jobs. It will just shift to other low cost manufacturing centers.

China's persistent trade surplus with the US has become a constant source of trade friction between them. But the real size of China's trade surplus has been exaggerated. US exports to China are mostly agricultural products (cereals) and primary commodities (minerals) and some advanced manufactured items such as aircraft and cars, all with a very high degree of domestic value-added.

In contrast, China's exports to the US are mostly electronics and electrical machinery (telecommunications products and office equipment) and a wide range of labour-intensive, "Walmart type" products (furniture and footwear), with low domestic value-added for China.

The US could not easily replace the higher value-added imports from China. For China's labour-intensive imports, the US trade sanction could possibly open the door for substitutes from other emerging countries, but certainly not from domestic sources. The US economy is just too advanced and high-cost for import substitution of many labour-intensive foreign products. Such a policy would thus have little or no effect on US employment creation.

The bulk of China's manufactured exports are the result of numerous regional and global production networks based in China, with the made-in-China finished products made up of parts from other countries. The classic example is the iPhone, which yields only a small fraction of its total cost to Chinese labour for processing it. The iPhone's various component makers from Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and the US take up far larger shares of the total value-add.

http://www.straitstimes.com/opinion/a-cool-look-at-trumps-looming-trade-war-with-china#main-content
 
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So what? The US has F-35, jet engine technology, Zumwalt, Virginia subs. China has NOTHING. China does not have the brain gene mutation that makes machines.
and your point is? Even with these machines US still can't afford a trade war with China, now that's the saddest part of the story.
 
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So what? The US has F-35, jet engine technology, Zumwalt, Virginia subs. China has NOTHING. China does not have the brain gene mutation that makes machines.

lol... Seems someone forgot that US technology advance is 70-80 old.. and that they took it from the german... and that today advance is not as much as yesterday. US is near his apogee if they do nothing about it, cycle of power my friend, everyone has his turn

and your point is? Even with these machines US still can't afford a trade war with China, now that's the saddest part of the story.
US can't afford a trade war... but madness could...
 
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lol... Seems someone forgot that US technology advance is 70-80 old.. and that they took it from the german... and that today advance is not as much as yesterday. US is near his apogee if they do nothing about it, cycle of power my friend, everyone has his turn


US can't afford a trade war... but madness could...
If you are implying Trump is a madman i would suggest you take a closer look at him before judging him too hastily. We are still waiting for the 40% import tax to take place so give it some time and see what happens. It's not the first time he is crawling back on his promises which is evident in his first month at the Office. So while @ultron brags about US military superiority over China which in his opinion just woke up from the Ice Age he doesn't seem to have a clue that the US needs China for trade. Does he even know we already grabbed them by the balls with the T-bills? :lol:
 
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