Why doesn't Pakistan build an aircraft carrier?

[master_fx]

It's performance comes near India's INS Vikramaditya aircraft carrier.

r u kidding me? Gorshkov/Vikramaditya was in Kiev class(2nd generation russian carrier) desgined as a helicopter criuser(limited space for fixed wing aircrafts) in the first place! then they modified and sold to india as a AC....
Gorshkov is about 45,000-45,500 tons full load

instead varyag is in Kreml class(third generation russian carrier) is in the same class as Admiral Kuznetsov which is the only AC in service with russian navy...
varyag is about 66,600-67,500 tons full load

 

[Neo]

No engines.

Colonel,

What are the chances the Varyag will be comissioned anytime soon?
Somewhere at WAB I read that the ship was to be turned into a floating casino and a mall...guess I misread it. :redface:

 

[Neo]

There you go,

I couldnt find the picture though, but that could had been the demo or something. But information on this link will settle things quite a bit .

Link: http://www.strategycenter.net/research/pubID.87/pub_detail.asp


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PLAN Carrier Air Wing 3: Russian sources note that China is also developing a version of the Chengdu J-10 with a thrust-vectored AL-31FN engine for carrier use. Source: RD Fisher and Internet

Structural changes will have to be made to give J-10 TVC meaning further delays.

 

[Officer of Engineers]

What are the chances the Varyag will be comissioned anytime soon?

None. The ship was sold without any powerplants and the Chinese lacks experience building conventional warship powerplants of this size. The Chinese may be able to adapt a nuclear powerplant but again, this is beyond their experience and would require years, if not decades, to iron the bugs out.

Somewhere at WAB I read that the ship was to be turned into a floating casino and a mall...guess I misread it. :redface:

That's the cover story but this ship got more security than any casino I know.

 

[melb4aust]

Whatever the stories are, there have been some work going on at that carrier, and obviousely trying to make it operational to put some birds on it.

None. The ship was sold without any powerplants and the Chinese lacks experience building conventional warship powerplants of this size. The Chinese may be able to adapt a nuclear powerplant but again, this is beyond their experience and would require years, if not decades, to iron the bugs out.

Dont under-estimate the chinese:ChinaFlag:

 

[Officer of Engineers]

Hey, Kid,

I've been following the Varyag story since the beginning. I've seen NOTHING to even suggest that the Chinese have moved powerplants to that ship. If they're going to try, we would have seen it. We're talking engines the size of small buildings here and the testing required would have light up the infrared galore.

So, don't give me that "don't underestimate the Chinese."

 

[melb4aust]

Hey, Kid,

I've been following the Varyag story since the beginning. I've seen NOTHING to even suggest that the Chinese have moved powerplants to that ship. If they're going to try, we would have seen it. We're talking engines the size of small buildings here and the testing required would have light up the infrared galore.

So, don't give me that "don't underestimate the Chinese."

So you suggest there's nothing going on, on that ship, they bought it without any purpose, a show piece or perhaps to to provide their navy a taste by just giving glimpse of that ship or what ever.

Be honest, They may have kept some information as confidential, which these chinese are very famous of.

 

[Samudra]

Colonel,

Did the Russians knock down a few structurally important beams on the Varyag to render it incapable of handling aircrafts?

 

[Bull]

But they could use J-10 navy variant on those aircraft carriers. China does use J-10's on their AC carriers. I think i have seen it in one of the picture.

They dont have a aircraft carrier operational,so then how did u see it??? .

There you go,

I couldnt find the picture though, but that could had been the demo or something. But information on this link will settle things quite a bit .

Link: http://www.strategycenter.net/research/pubID.87/pub_detail.asp


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PLAN Carrier Air Wing 3: Russian sources note that China is also developing a version of the Chengdu J-10 with a thrust-vectored AL-31FN engine for carrier use. Source: RD Fisher and Internet

Read what i said.

Which carrier is operational with PLAN, "that you saw J10 operating from".

 

[melb4aust]

Read what i said.

Which carrier is operational with PLAN, "that you saw J10 operating from".

Yes offcourse i read the article, and thats why i post it there because i may have misconfusion. Perhaps you couldnt understand my post:redface:

 

[Officer of Engineers]

So you suggest there's nothing going on, on that ship, they bought it without any purpose, a show piece or perhaps to to provide their navy a taste by just giving glimpse of that ship or what ever.

I don't know what they bought it for. At the very least, it's something to study BUT it is NOT being made operational. This thing has been RUSTING for 10 years before the Chinese bought it. Metal fatique and the EXTREME lack of maintenace have set in.

There is no way for the Chinese to make this thing a fully functioning aircraft carrier.

Be honest, They may have kept some information as confidential, which these chinese are very famous of.

You can't hide engines the size of city blocks, especially when they're turned on. Even the Chinese can't keep the Laws of Physics confidential.

Did the Russians knock down a few structurally important beams on the Varyag to render it incapable of handling aircrafts?

The deal was that the Chinese should not make this thing combat capable. The engines have been removed and so were the screws. The flight deck itself was never completely finished and with the advent of rust, I doubt it can sustain any heavy usage.

 

[master_fx]

PLAN Carrier Air Wing 3: Russian sources note that China is also developing a version of the Chengdu J-10 with a thrust-vectored AL-31FN engine for carrier use. Source: RD Fisher and Internet

i believe that engine is called WS-10A with 2D TVC..... hopefully the 3D TVC will be fit on to WS-10A

 

[Neo]

None. The ship was sold without any powerplants and the Chinese lacks experience building conventional warship powerplants of this size. The Chinese may be able to adapt a nuclear powerplant but again, this is beyond their experience and would require years, if not decades, to iron the bugs out.

Does it mean that China only purchased the vessel for study purpose, reengeneering maybe?

And Colonel,
Is there a dedicated thread at China Defence about this?
I'd appreciate the link if you know one.

Thanks!

 

[Officer of Engineers]

CDF was hacked. We're trying to put the old data up as read only but that is taking time.

In summary. The VARYAG was sold as scrap metal without engines and extreme structural defects. The Chinese is under obligation not to refit the ship to its original warfightting designs. When the ship arrived in China, an immediate security screen was put up with restricted access. Since then work has progressed substantially. What work we don't know.

There are things we have NOT seen that are required if this ship is even to made sea worthy, let alone combat worthy. No powerplant (conventional or nuclear) has been seen and certainly none that has been powered up (it's heat signature should be visible from space). The ship has not been drydocked. That is a major requirement to prepare the screws for seagoing operations.

 

[sigatoka]

Since then work has progressed substantially. What work we don't know.

Do you think its possible that they are just working on it just to improve their skills and have no intention of actually putting it to sea. This could be useful if in five to ten years time they actually decide to build an aircraft carrier.