Why does China keep supporting Burma in the Rohingya crisis?

[Fortress]

A Western backed Islamic insurgency carries an implicit association with Al-Qaeda and ISIS - hence the disproportionate response. This response actually has parallels in the rest of the world. Consider the Pakistani response to TTP: we waged an actual war and drove them along with their families into Afghanistan. Even today you regularly see stories of Army Chief signing death warrants of terrorists. Why blame Burma then? That said, I have consistently called the Burmese response as disproportionate. But I point fingers squarely where the real blame lies: Western involvement.

This misconception is what anti-Muslim zealots outside Myanmar are using to support and defend the regime's actions against Rohingya. But I don't see how that explains why the West are to blame for anything there. They have neither armed the Rohingya nor have they pushed the Burmese to give them their rights.

If they actually armed them, things would be much better off. Myanmar's own anti-Islam bias shouldn't put blame on the West, but it is a gross failure that Muslim countries have ignored it for decades. They have the leverage against Myanmar but chose not to.

 

[Max]

They do "control" the Buddhist extremists Myanmar regime is the sole reason why these extremists are attacking Rohingya and passing out anti-Muslim leaflets. It's with full backing from the state and army.

well i hope it will improve with increased Chinese involvement and economic growth. They are in better geostrategic position then you hence China is supporting them.

 

[Fortress]

well i hope it will improve with increased Chinese involvement and economic growth. They are in better geostrategic position then you hence China is supporting them.

China's own policy is not to interfere. But the Chinese/foreign investment and resulting development is in part the main reason of why the Burmese regime are trying to complete a genocide of these Rohingya. They want to ethnically cleanse Rakhine of them before the region starts seeing the fruits of development, as well as to preoccupy the Arakanese by distracting them with fighting Rohingya so that they don't protest the state's landgrabs, evictions and environmental concerns.

I listed a few reasons on an earlier post.

 

[CriticalThought]

This misconception is what anti-Muslim zealots outside Myanmar are using to support and defend the regime's actions against Rohingya. But I don't see how that explains why the West are to blame for anything there. They have neither armed the Rohingya nor have they pushed the Burmese to give them their rights.

If they actually armed them, things would be much better off. Myanmar's own anti-Islam bias shouldn't put blame on the West, but it is a gross failure that Muslim countries have ignored it for decades. They have the leverage against Myanmar but chose not to.

Stop muddling your brain. There is the very inimical Burmese outlook towards the Rohingyas which is a historical fact, and remains a blight on human conscience world wide. Nobody is denying that. But if you care to check the topic of this thread, it is about Chinese support to Burma in the Rohingya crisis. As far as arming them is concerned, they are mostly linked to Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Bangladesh (see quotes below), yet none of these countries are direct beneficiaries of their actions. The sole beneficiaries are Western powers who are now using it as a political tool to pressurize China.

https://www.csis.org/analysis/myanmar-and-its-rohingya-muslim-insurgency

Earlier in August, Myanmar was reported to have sent hundreds of troops to Rakhine Stateto strengthen security and defuse tensions after Rohingya insurgents carried out a series of violent attacks on Buddhists in the region. These insurgents have been identified as members of the Harakah al-Yaqin (or Faith Movement), a Rohingya insurgent group now going by the name of Arakan Rohingya Salvation Army (ARSA). According to a report by the International Crisis Group, ARSA members have trained abroad and are led by Rohingya emigres living in Saudi Arabia. While the group denies any direct links to jihadist or transnational terror groups, the larger issues of marginalization of Muslims in Myanmar has attracted the interest of transnational terror groups including Islamic State, Tehreek-e-Taliban, and Lashkar-e-Taiba.

http://time.com/4601203/burma-myanmar-muslim-insurgency-rohingya/

This new armed group is overseen by a committee of Rohingya émigrés based in Mecca. The public face of its operations in northern Arakan, also called Rakhine, is Ata Ullah (known by several aliases), who is the main speaker in several videos released by the group. He was born in Karachi to a Rohingya father and grew up in Mecca. He is part of a group of 20 Rohingya who have international experience in modern guerrilla warfare and are leading operations on the ground in northern Arakan. Also with them is a senior Islamic scholar, Ziabur Rahman, a Saudi-educated Rohingya mufti with the authority to issue fatwas.

To enhance its religious legitimacy further, al-Yaqin has obtained fatwas from senior clerics in Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Pakistan and elsewhere, giving backing to its cause under Islamic law. This has helped the group gain significant support among Rohingya in northern Arakan. It has spent at least two years training hundreds of local recruits in guerilla warfare and explosives. Several hundred Rohingya refugees in Bangladesh have also traveled to Arakan in recent weeks to join up. The current heavy-handed security response is very unlikely to dislodge al-Yaqin; rather, it is creating further despair and animosity among the population, which may further entrench violence.

 

[Max]

China's own policy is not to interfere. But the Chinese/foreign investment and resulting development is in part the main reason of why the Burmese regime are trying to complete a genocide of these Rohingya. They want to ethnically cleanse Rakhine of them before the region starts seeing the fruits of development.

I listed a few reasons on an earlier post.

Maybe, but The question is why China keep supporting burma, the answer is quite clear, Burma is geostrategically much more important then Rohingya and Bangladesh.

 

[Fortress]

Stop muddling your brain. There is the very inimical Burmese outlook towards the Rohingyas which is a historical fact, and remains a blight on human conscience world wide. Nobody is denying that. But if you care to check the topic of this thread, it is about Chinese support to Burma in the Rohingya crisis. As far as arming them is concerned, they are mostly linked to Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Bangladesh (see quotes below), yet none of these countries are direct beneficiaries of their actions. The sole beneficiaries are Western powers who are now using it as a political tool to pressurize China.

https://www.csis.org/analysis/myanmar-and-its-rohingya-muslim-insurgency


http://time.com/4601203/burma-myanmar-muslim-insurgency-rohingya/

These groups are tiny and were formed IN RESPONSE to Burmese massacring. This is Jewish logic where they complain about a few casualties and respond by killing thousands of Palestinians, and their Zionist supporters act like killing thousands is a measured response.

If you had to compare the death toll on both sides, it will be greater than 500:1. It's that disproportionate.

 

[haidian]

Bangladesh always fails to see that the west is designing to destablise this region, south Asia, central Asia and middle East, whevever you see the them, you see blood, deaths , conflicts and war. They won't bring any good result for this crisis but only worsen it, China works to broker a peaceful deal cause what China wants is stability and development, the US wants conflicts and chaos, that's the fundemental difference for the goals.

The west is not there to try to help Muslims, they are never Muslim lovers, they just try to destablise this whole region and create a never ending crisis that eventually everyone in this region will suffer like they did in the middle east.

 

[CriticalThought]

These groups are tiny and were formed IN RESPONSE to Burmese massacring. This is Jewish logic where they complain about a few casualties and respond by killing thousands of Palestinians, and their Zionist supporters act like killing thousands is a measured response.

If you had to compare the death toll on both sides, it will be greater than 500:1. It's that disproportionate.

And I am not supporting this 'zionist logic'. I am merely explaining why China will play no role in the issue. Stop conflating multiple issues to prove your point.

 

[Fortress]

Bangladesh always fails to see that the west is designing to destablise this region, south Asia, central Asia and middle East, whevever you see the them, you see blood, deaths , conflicts and war. They won't bring any good result for this crisis but only worsen it, China works to broker a peaceful deal cause what China wants is stability and development, the US wants conflicts and chaos, that's the fundemental difference for the goals.

The west is not there to try to help Muslims, they are never Muslim lovers, they just try to destablise this whole region and create a never ending crisis that eventually everyone in this region will suffer like they did in the middle east.

China has kept it's hands clean of any sufficient peace deal between Myanmar and Rohingya. And you yourself said that non-interference is Chinese policy. So why try to invent trophies to aware yourself now?

We know the West wants chaos, but neither is China the harbinger of peace.

 

[TopCat]

China Harbour Engineering Company opening an office in Dhaka months before Hasina's visit to Beijing in 2014 indicates the negotiations were on the final stage and the deal was set to be signed during the visit. Why didn't they protest against the supposed Chinese stakes in the port earlier?

The project was even included in the agenda of the meeting but was cancelled at the last moment during the visit. It was, in my opinion, quite amateur on our part; that's not how you act at this level.

Anybody can open office considering a good future prospect. Everybody does. TATA opened office as soon as they made a offer of 3 billion dollar investment back in 2004. That does not mean they won the projects. They left with no hard feelings.

You Bangladeshis here bring that up again and again in PDF following anti China western media, ask Uyghurs if they like to live in Bangladesh or China.

Eveybody wants to live in their home, be it Uyghurs or Bangladeshi. But Uyghurs became minority in their own home and in the verge of extinct. In hundred years from now there will not be any Uyghurs left in China.

 

[Avicenna]

China has kept it's hands clean of any sufficient peace deal between Myanmar and Rohingya. And you yourself said that non-interference is Chinese policy. So why try to invent trophies to aware yourself now?

We know the West wants chaos, but neither is China the harbinger of peace.

You make some excellent points.

Welcome to the forum.

Good luck fighting against stupid.

 

[bluesky]

Japan is supporting Myanmar as well. They are using their diplomatic prowess on Myanmurder's side to tackle international sanctions.

Japan, China and India are all on the side of Myanmar because the Muslim world are complete selfish morons who show no desire to tell them otherwise.

Japan is supporting Burmese development only because it wants China to remain at bay. It may be same with BD. But, Japan is certainly not supporting Burma on the issue of Rohingya. Internation situation always changes. It was Japan that introduced FDI and technology to China, but now it is not supporting that country.

Arakan has a stake also for Japan. If it wants to encircle China it needs the Rohingyas to be established in Arakan.

 

[Fortress]

Japan is supporting Burmese development only because it wants China to remain at bay. It may be same with BD. But, Japan is certainly not supporting Burma on the issue of Rohingya. Internation situation always changes. It was Japan that introduced FDI and technology to China, but now it is not supporting that country.

Arakan has a stake also for Japan. If it wants to encircle China it needs the Rohingyas to be established in Arakan.

Myanmar was on the side of Japan during WW2. Japan is on the side of Myanmar on the diplomatic front due to its history, and has been involved with the regime well before China came on board. Japan doesn't want Rohingya to encircle China of all things.

 

[Avicenna]

Myanmar was on the side of Japan during WW2. Japan is on the side of Myanmar on the diplomatic front due to its history, and has been involved with the regime well before China came on board.

What are your thoughts on how Bangladesh should navigate this mess?

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

CHINA once again boycotted talks at the United Nations Security Council aimed at addressing the Rohingya refugee crisis taking place in Burma (Myanmar), diplomats told Reuters on Monday.

This is the latest in a long line of Chinese efforts to divert any course action aimed at solving the crisis, which saw more than 700,000 Rohingya Muslims flee across the border to Bangladesh.

Not only has Beijing stopped any international intervention, it has also openly voiced support for the military’s efforts, saying Burma is merely “maintaining its domestic stability.”

The accusations against the Tatmadaw, another name for Burma’s military, have been building, with the UN going so far as accusing them of ethnic cleansing. The international condemnation has been almost universal – almost.

Beijing continues to hold strong, despite international pressure and mounting evidence of war crimes. So what is it about this Southeast Asian nation of 50 million that has China happily making apologies for genocide?

Strings attached protection
As the United States withdraws from the region, China sheltering Burma’s military and political leaders from international pressure draws them closer into Beijing’s orbit.

“The Rohingya crisis really creates an opportunity” for China with Burma, Yun Sun, an expert on Burma-China relations at the Washington-based Stimson Center, told The Wall Street Journal. “Now’s the time to show them who their real friends are.”

Predictably, it’s not for purely selfless reasons. Burma is a resource-rich neighbour and by extending the hand of friendship, China ensures its companies get first dibs after all other regional players have been scathing of the Tatmadaw’s actions.

This is already starting to pay dividends as Chinese companies are responsible for roughly a quarter of the country’s foreign direct investment. The Communist Party is also investing heavily in infrastructure projects – all of which now need protecting.

Both countries recently signed a deal to develop the huge China-funded Kyauk Phyu Special Economic Zone deep-sea port in the very state in which the Rohingya have faced persecution. While not in the volatile areas of Rakhine state, the threat of terrorism spilling over to parts where they have invested worries Beijing.

The port is key to regional connectivity and is a pillar of President Xi Jinping’s ambitious Belt and Road Initiative (BRI). It is to act as the starting point of an oil-gas pipeline and railroad link to Yunnan state in China.

This is only the beginning with new high-speed rail lines, roads and industry expected to follow.

Clip the wings of international intervention
It’s no secret that Beijing likes governments to keep themselves to themselves, preferring a non-interventionist approach to internal affairs.

China’s fear is that, should the United Nations take a role in resolving and seeking justice in the case of the Rohingya, it will set a precedent for UN involvement in other border issues, of which China has no shortage.

One such conflict is in the northern reaches of Burma, where conflicts between the Tatmadaw and rebel groups have been raging along the Chinese border.

China’s view “is that there shouldn’t be any international interference in ethnic conflicts in Myanmar, because that might affect what’s happening at the border,” Nicholas Bequelin, Amnesty International’s East Asia director, told the Journal.

Despite flutters of wariness from Burma’s military over China’s mounting leverage in the country, the relationship has persisted.

China remains Burma’s number one trading partner, weathering the storm of the government’s pivot to western countries earlier this decade.

As China emerges as a superpower with jaw-dropping global ambitions, the proximity and strategic significance of Burma makes it a prime target for Chinese intervention.

https://asiancorrespondent.com/2018...3J3gUwoUmLb3p0fEfFOs9s2C8VDP22ZDgZUgKoZPSd94k

China uses loans to other countries to get control over their resources.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/24/...dam.html?utm_source=quora&utm_medium=referral