Why does China keep supporting Burma in the Rohingya crisis?

[Fortress]

What do you know about Uyghurs? They live a much better life than any point in their history now and certainly way better than you Bangladeshi folks.

I was referring to the Crimean Tatars, Southern Vietnamese (Cham people) and Circassian peoples when I was referring to Muslims not knowing about these genocides.

But glad to know my mere mention of Uighurs got you defensive. That's more than telling.

 

[haidian]

I was referring to the Crimean Tatars, Southern Vietnamese (Cham people) and Circassian peoples when I was referring to Muslims not knowing about these genocides.

But glad to know my mere mention of Uighurs got you defensive. That's more than telling.

You Bangladeshis here bring that up again and again in PDF following anti China western media, ask Uyghurs if they like to live in Bangladesh or China.

 

[Fortress]

You Bangladeshis here bring that up again and again in PDF following anti China western media, ask Uyghurs if they like to live in Bangladesh or China.

I don't speak from a BD pov. Most BD people don't know even half the stuff I just mentioned above.


Why the hell would Uighurs choose between CHINA and BD? This statement presupposes that Uighurs are on China's land only and not also on their own land which they've lived on for over a thousand years. So nice try.

Why the hell should Palestinians choose between living in Israel or living in BD? Same answer! It's the newcomers that need to move out IF anyone needs moving.

Tibetans and Uighurs are living on their own land. They don't need to choose between China and [insert random country].

 

[CriticalThought]

We can't blame the West for everything. The Muslim world is to blame for sitting by idle, as I explained above. We have all the leverage to pressure India and China but we don't.

If the Muslim states were in uproar about it, India and China would back off immediately because Myanmar's importance doesn't come close to the trade and strategic importance the Muslim world has to them and to the West. How can they give a shit if we don't?


Well let me tell you something. The so-called Ummah has never given a shit about Muslims in the last several centuries. The Ummah did nothing during the Bosnian Genocide of the 1990s, did nothing during the Crimean Tatar and Nakh genocides of the 1940s, did nothing during the Circassian Genocide in the mid 1800s. Today they ignore what's happening in Burma, and they don't give two shits about Kashmiris, Uighurs and even Palestinians. At least common people talk about Palestine, they don't even KNOW about these other genocides I just mentioned. How many Muslims know that Crimea use to be Muslim? How about Southern Vietnam? Ever heard of the Circassians?

Actually, China is hypersensitive when it comes to allies. North Korea is an extreme example. There are only a handful of countries that are in China's sphere of influence, and China is a solid rock of support to them no matter what. So, no there isn't much that anyone can do about it. The issue has been orchestrated by the West, and they are continually flaming it as well.

 

[haidian]

I don't speak from a BD pov. Most BD people don't know even half the stuff I just mentioned above.


Why the hell would Uighurs choose between CHINA and BD? This statement presupposes that Uighurs are on China's land only and not also on their own land which they've lived on for over a thousand years. So nice try.

Why the hell should Palestinians choose between living in Israel or living in BD? Same answer! It's the newcomers that need to move out IF anyone needs moving.

Tibetans and Uighurs are living on their own land. They don't need to choose between China and [insert random country].

Better you know this, almost all countries have minority groups and China has many and we treat them even better than majority Han Chinese based on our laws, and it's completely our domestic issues which we don't allow others to interfere.

 

[Fortress]

Actually, China is hypersensitive when it comes to allies. North Korea is an extreme example. There are only a handful of countries that are in China's sphere of influence, and China is a solid rock of support to them no matter what. So, no there isn't much that anyone can do about it. The issue has been orchestrated by the West, and they are continually flaming it as well.

If you actually paid attention to my posts, you would have noticed that China and Myanmar were at odds for decades! It is only in the past half-decade that China and Myanmar have cozied up, especially after the International community eased restrictions. The same reason why India and S. Korea are investing in them now.

There were active insurgencies by ethnic Chinese Kokong people in Myanmar, and there were xenophobic riots against Chinese emigrants in cities of Myanmar orchestrated by the Burmese regime. They were NOT allies.

Better you know this, almost all countries have minority groups and China has many and we treat them even better than majority Han Chinese based on our laws, and it's completely our domestic issues which we don't allow others to interfere.

Bombs and bullets don't discriminate.... or do they? It's an open ended question, much like your foreign and domestic policy.

 

[haidian]

Bombs and bullets don't discriminate either.... or do they? It's an open ended question, much like your foreign and domestic policy.

Xinjiang now is the safest place in China, with booming tourism and highest GDP growth all over China, Xinjiang is no Syria or Afghanistan, it grows and prospers with the rest of China.

 

[Max]

bcoz Burma is important for China, Chinese are busy connecting mainland China to indian ocean via burma. Burma will be strong economy in near future if they control buddhist extremists.

 

[Fortress]

bcoz Burma is important for China, Chinese are busy connecting mainland China to indian ocean via burma. Burma will be strong economy in near future if they control buddhist extremists.

They do "control" the Buddhist extremists Myanmar regime is the sole reason why these extremists are attacking Rohingya and passing out anti-Muslim leaflets. It's with full backing from the state and army.

Are you aware that just a few weeks ago a Myanmar government minister openly disparaged Islam? Or that a few years ago a Myanmar diplomat in SEA used racial slurs against Rohingya attacking them for their features and skincolor?


https://www.dhakatribune.com/bangla...rotest-against-minister-s-anti-muslim-remarks

 

[CriticalThought]

If you actually paid attention to my posts, you would have noticed that China and Myanmar were at odds for decades! It is only in the past half-decade that China and Myanmar have cozied up, especially after the International community eased restrictions. The same reason why India and S. Korea are investing in them now.

There were active insurgencies by ethnic Chinese Kokong people in Myanmar, and there were xenophobic riots against Chinese emigrants in cities of Myanmar orchestrated by the Burmese regime. They were NOT allies.

I don't need to pay attention to your misinformed posts.

https://www.usip.org/sites/default/files/Clapp_Written Testimony_5.13.2015 Hearing.pdf

Even if there were some tensions in the past, Burma today enjoys Chinese support, and for very good reasons.

 

[maithil]

China may ask : Why does Pakistan support such Myanmarese regime ? Why help them in slaughtering Rohingyas by selling JF-17 to them ?

 

[Fortress]

I don't need to pay attention to your misinformed posts.

https://www.usip.org/sites/default/files/Clapp_Written Testimony_5.13.2015 Hearing.pdf

Even if there were some tensions in the past, Burma today enjoys Chinese support, and for very good reasons.

Your username is ironic. Yes, Burma now enjoys support, as I also said...precisely because the Muslim World never did anything about Burma when it began it's massacring of Rohingya decades ago, and continue to not do anything about it as it's reached it's height.

That is exactly why I said you can't blame the West for everything. Their response to you is simple: "When we intervene, people hate us. When we don't intervene, they also hate us for not intervening". Do you not see the hypocrisy there?

Why would the West care? Maybe if it wanted to go into conflict with China it actually will in the future. But the only reason why China, India and others are in Myanmar is because WE failed to put pressure. The West put pressure and successfully got their poster-child Aung Sung Suu Kyi in power. But what did we get? Nothing because we never even tried!

 

[CriticalThought]

Your username is ironic. Yes, Burma now enjoys support, as I also said...precisely because the Muslim world never did anything about Burma when it began it's massacring of Rohingya decades ago, and continue to not do anything about it as it's reached it's height.

That is exactly why I said you can't blame the West for everything. Their response to you is simple: "When we intervene, people hate us. When we don't intervene, they also hate us for not intervening". Do you not see the hypocrisy there?

Why would the West care? Maybe if it wanted to go into conflict with China it actually will in the future. But the only reason why China, India and others are in Myanmar is because WE failed to put pressure. The West put pressure and successfully got their poster-child Aung Sung Suu Kyi in power. But what did we get? We never even tried!

You have succeeded in convoluting your thought process and mixing multiple disparate issues.

The Rohingya issue has been going on for ages. China has strategic interests in Burma, regardless of the Rohingya issue. That said, China could theoretically have played a role in helping to solve it, if back channel diplomacy had been employed. What the West did instead is to instigate armed insurgency, the same as they did in Xinjiang. This has the unfortunate effect of ensuring Chinese backing for Burma, which gives the West an excuse to attack it politically. There is nothing Muslim states could have done, except maybe stopping the armed insurgency in the first place. It is a terrible and inhuman ploy of the West and needs to be called out for what it is.

 

[Fortress]

You have succeeded in convoluting your thought process and mixing multiple disparate issues.

The Rohingya issue has been going on for ages. China has strategic interests in Burma, regardless of the Rohingya issue. That said, China could theoretically have played a role in helping to solve it, if back channel diplomacy had been employed. What the West did instead is to instigate armed insurgency, the same as they did in Xinjiang. This has the unfortunate effect of ensuring Chinese backing for Burma, which gives the West an excuse to attack it politically. There is nothing Muslim states could have done, except maybe stopping the armed insurgency in the first place. It is a terrible and inhuman ploy of the West and needs to be called out for what it is.

Myanmar has had DOZENS of insurgencies and all those ethnic groups are recognized as citizens. It is actually the Rohingya who were the least violent and unarmed of all of them. They were completely defenseless for decades. The West did not fund them. If they actually had, the Rohingya would be citizens by now and not being massacred every few years. Because that's the only way Myanmar respects you, when you hit them in the face.

Shan, Kachin, Kokang, Arakanese, etc have all fought Myanmar violently. The Rohingya on the other hand were just victimized in the last 50 years. So blaming "the West" here makes no sense. Are you saying they armed the Rohingya, or the others? Because if it's the former, how come they don't get citizenship and treated like human and yet the others are who ACTUALLY fought the Burmese? I feel like you're repeating Burmese/Hindutva propaganda here trying to paint Rohingya as terrorists when every other ethnic group were the ones actually fighting the regime violently and in turn invited to the peace table because of it.

 

[CriticalThought]

Myanmar has had DOZENS of insurgencies and all those ethnic groups are recognized as citizens. It is actually the Rohingya who were the least violent and unarmed of all of them. They were completely defenseless for decades. The West did not fund them. If they actually had, the Rohingya would be citizens by now and not being massacred every few years. Because that's the only way Myanmar respects you, when you hit them in the face.

Shan, Kachin, Kokang, Arakanese, etc have all fought Myanmar violently. The Rohingya on the other hand were just victimized in the last 50 years. So blaming "the West" here makes no sense. Are you saying they armed the Rohingya, or the others? Because if it's the former, how come they don't get citizenship and treated like human and yet the others are who ACTUALLY fought the Burmese? I feel like you're repeating Burmese/Hindutva propaganda here trying to paint Rohingya as terrorists when every other ethnic group were the ones actually fighting the regime violently and in turn invited to the peace table because of it.

A Western backed Islamic insurgency carries an implicit association with Al-Qaeda and ISIS - hence the disproportionate response. This response actually has parallels in the rest of the world. Consider the Pakistani response to TTP: we waged an actual war and drove them along with their families into Afghanistan. Even today you regularly see stories of Army Chief signing death warrants of terrorists. Why blame Burma then? That said, I have consistently called the Burmese response as disproportionate. But I point fingers squarely where the real blame lies: Western involvement.