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Why do Pakistanis love Kashmir?

is true.

there is lot of impractical emotionality about kashmir.

kashmir won't be resolved in 50 years if this emotionality continues.
My sympathies with the Kashmiris.
It feels as if they are caught up in a perpetual crossfire.
Majority of Kashmiris want a peaceful Kashmir, and they do not support the extremism on display in Kashmir.
A state in India which deserves a presidential rule is Kasmhir. The inefficient state govt is not capable of descalating incidents such as that in Handwara.
 
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My sympathies with the Kashmiris.

:tup:

It feels as if they are caught up in a perpetual crossfire.
Majority of Kashmiris want a peaceful Kashmir, and they do not support the extremism on display in Kashmir.

true.

for example, there are so many kashmiri merchants all over india, including the south... they are peaceable people who are crushed between the nationalist aspirations of the establishments of india and pakistan.

A state in India which deserves a presidential rule is Kasmhir. The inefficient state govt is not capable of reducing incidents such as that in Hindwara.

still, president's rule is not the full solution to kashmir... kashmir is both a internal-to-kashmir and a international dispute and therefore will be resolved only when there is a solution that addresses those issues.

south asian politics is convoluted and generally based on the nationalist and reactionary tendencies of the lowest common denominator... there have been pdf posts by some indians that said that the kashmiris must be thrown out so that "india's integrity can be maintained"... so these members keep chanting the tired old nationalist mantras while india remains 'suicide capital of the world' and much else... you see, only when such anti-human tendencies are prevented from making a opinion bloc can things be spoken in peace.

there is only one solution for kashmir in the immediate term - the gaddafi solution... either that or the subcontinent countries must reunite.

i am sick and tired of this kashmir issue which can be so easily resolved.
 
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there is only one solution for kashmir in the immediate term - the gaddafi solution... either that or the subcontinent countries must reunite.

what is the gaddafi solution

We dont want to reunite with Pakistan and Bangladesh

i am sick and tired of this kashmir issue which can be so easily resolved.

The only solution is LOC as International border

Maar Dalooo Mujhe!!! :taz:

Aapke bina hum kaise jiyenge
 
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the case is unclear... the molestation may be true or it may simply be a case of local ( kashmir ) reactionaries oppressing the girl because she may have spoken politely with a army man or most probably some misogynist rumors about the girl being friends with the army man which happens a lot in south asia.

technically, the said girl ( perhaps the same girl ) denies molestation and blames local youth[1] :



and which vid is this?? it is one recorded in a police station[2] :






and the vid release itself turned into its own controversy in kashmir most probably because kashmir environment has turned into a oppressive one[3] :




the progressives of india support the girl without taking side of the government[4] :




at the moment i won't take sides automatically because we must remember that asiya andrabi's burqa brigade ( dukhtaraan-e-millat ) has turned kashmir valley into a oppressive place for the ladies ( you may know of her actions ) and this case may be simply fool males acting illegally on rumors and being misogynist... the police detained this teenage lady and her father for three days which is illegal again but this may really be for protection of the lady... in 2013, the first all-female music band in kashmir 'pragaash' shut down not long after it started because of death and rape threats[5] by supporters of the kashmiri mullahs and their local burqa instigators ( the asiya andrabi group ) :







we must wait some more days for the case to become clear... the situation in indian kashmir is not just about indian army presence. :)

@Zibago @django


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[1] http://indianexpress.com/article/in...r-firing-protest-army-mehbooba-asi-suspended/

[2] http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/scho...y-since-protests-in-kashmirs-handwara-1395733

[3] http://www.dnaindia.com/india/repor...lls-into-major-controversy-in-kashmir-2202167

[4] http://www.risingkashmir.in/news/aisa-condemns-spate-of-killings-circulation-of-girls-video/

[5] http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/thre...threats-to-kashmirs-girl-band-pragaash-512614
The way Indian security forces have behaved here and in other places of India, sexual violence is one of their specialties, their are rape accusation against them in every one of the insurgency hit regions and believe me their are quite a few of those in India, their record is hardly inspiring for those trying to defend them.
 
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you could have said tat earlier :lol:

What would you say if your BROTHER said to you that you are dying

Some TWENTY years back ; I too felt like dying

Then my sister said that If I died ; she too would die

And knowing her stubborness I had to cancel My plans ;

And I realised what untimely death does to your family members

Then Things got better in my life but I really OWE my life to my sister

She gave me the strength to live and face my problems
 
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What would you say if your BROTHER said to you that you are dying

Some TWENTY years back ; I too felt like dying

Then my sister said that If I died ; she too would die

And knowing her stubborness I had to cancel My plans ;

And I realised what untimely death does to your family members

Then Things got better in my life but I really OWE my life to my sister

She gave me the strength to live and face my problems
pls dont make me senti now. :cray:

wait? did you say 20yrs back??? do u think i am 50? :lol:
never mind!
we can discuss life and death on a more appropriate thread. Glad that you took the right decision in life. :tup:
 
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OK lets forget it but I was really shocked when you called me a Tharki

Misunderstandings DO really happen
re read my post.. i have edited it. lolz


And now, did i not say "this was not expected from you"? Under normal circumstances i dont respond to such posts.
Forget it for good.

ciao

dont want to derail my thread further.
 
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Because Kashmir is a part of Pakistan body and no one give its body part to another......
 
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re read my post.. i have edited it. lolz


And now, did i not say "this was not expected from you"? Under normal circumstances i dont respond to such posts.
Forget it for good.

ciao

dont want to derail my thread further.

OK let us move on ; Sorry again
 
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Why do Pakistanis love Kashmir?
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Western and Pakistani media coverage – can only operate in London as opposed to their home country. Yet the Pakistani state wants an influx of 5 million Kashmiris (ISI seems to have already granted them honorary citizenship) so thatJihad Fi Sabilillah can be established and victory can be achieved. Of course, Nawaz pretends it’s not about Jihad but his passion for human rights.



Recently, I spoke to a kid who was once a student at an elite and Westernised school in Pakistan (speaking Urdu even during breaks is punishable by a detention at such schools). I was surprised that he couldn’t even take a casual joke on the Kashmir issue. He remarked, “Kashmir does not want to be a part of India.” Amused, I retorted in my usual tongue-in-cheek tone: “Precisely. Kashmir is a natural part of Pakistan and Kashmiri Pandits must pay jizya.” The guy was a non-partisan Muhajir. Obviously, non-partisan quintessential burgers are easily swayed by PTI’s futile hyper-nationalism. If they are fortunate enough to see through the sheer stupidity of PTI Youthism then Musharraf soundbytes (‘Musharraf Saved the Economy!'; ‘Musharraf is a Hero!'; ‘Musharraf was a Liberal!’) seem to work fine. But even for the cream of Pakistan, why exactly Kashmir? So often in intellectualised debates within international relations theory, we must decipher the root cause of security dilemmas between two or more states. Why does a revisionist state like Pakistan want more than it can cope with? Here are a few hypotheses as to why Denialistanis love Kashmir:

Geographical aesthetics hypothesis. REJECTED: Pakistan already has most of the Northern regions– all of which probably much more beautiful than a now war-torn Kashmir… but apparently ‘Paradise on Earth’ must be conquered.

Cultural hypothesis.REJECTED:
Even inhabitants of Pakistani-administered Kashmir (Azad Kashmir) do not speak the same language as Kashmiris. The former are generally Potoharis – they are linguistically, culturally and ethnically closer to [Northern] Punjabis. On top of this, ethnic Kashmiris had nothing to do with the Pakistan Movement.

Historical ties hypothesis. REJECTED: Since Pakistanis are mostly Muslims and believe in the idea of the Ummah, apparently before the downfall of the Ottoman Caliphate we Muslims all lived happily ever after. This could not be far from the truth. The Kashmiris had their own history and culture, separate to that of other Muslim groups like Mughals, Pashtuns and Punjabis.

‘Nawaz Sharif human rights’ hypothesis.REJECTED: This does not take into account that if Pakistan wouldn’t keep initiating wars with India over Kashmir, then human rights violations in Kashmir on the part of India would most likely lessen automatically. Secondly, if Pakistanis love Kashmir because they care about human beings, then they would stop killing current citizens first.

Only Pakistan can seriously administer Kashmir’ hypothesis.REJECTED: Even Azad Kashmir isn’t properly administered by Pakistan. The people of Azad Kashmir are Potoharis and very Pakistani, yet they have shown themselves to be capable of reforming their own region without the help of the Pakistani state. If Pakistan can’t control Azad Kashmir, how will it control Indian-administered Kashmir?

If America can be a hegemon and Israel can defy international law, so can Pakistan’ hypothesis.REJECTED:
This certainly explains Pakistan’s constant revisionism, but it doesn’t explain why exactly Pakistanis love Kashmir in particular.

Ideology (Islamism) hypothesis. REJECTED:
There is obviously an overarching ideological drive (Jihad is the Pakistani army’s convenient ideology). However, if it was purely about Islam, then why not desire an influx of Muslims from Hyderabad, UP or CP or the Biharis of Bangladesh?

‘Pretty fair-skinned barbarians’ hypothesis:ACCEPTED: It sounds shallow to judge others by their appearance, but we know most Pakistanis are pretty shallow. In the confines of academic rigour and political correctness, the ‘pretty fair-skinned barbarians’ hypothesis has been dismissed as a childish attempt to promote racial realism. But the fact is, the Pakistani mind just can’t get enough of pretty fair-skinned barbarians. I mean… I like my men tall, dark and handsome (and somewhat modern!). But just take a look at Pakistani dramas as they try to romanticise village life. Take a look at Lollywood as it hires the fairest skins from Heera Mandi. The Sufi traditions so popular in both urban and rural centres always have fair-skinned barbaric pirs to represent them. This includes Abida Parveen. Secular, industrialised people always lose out in Pakistan.

British cultural critic and psychiatrist Theodore Dalrymple writes, “Stereotyping is inevitable in complex societies in which not everything can be known about every individual.” When we look at Kashmiri Muslims in Kashmir from a macro lens, it is clear why Kashmiri Muslims – despite a lack of a shared history and language – are so appealing to Pakistanis: gora rang, coupled with a literacy rate of 50%, a penchant for Sharia and an obstinate preoccupation with traditional norms and folklore, the oppressed Kashmiris are to be welcomed with open ‘arms’ (no pun intended) in Pakistan.


Lets see, here are a few reasons.

Our defense minister is of Kashmiri Origin
Our Finance minister is a Kashmiri
The PM minister is a Kashmiri ( his actual name is Nawaz Sharif BUTT )
Punjab's CM is a Kashmiri
Railway minister minister is a Kashmiri

Yours truly is 50% kashmiri.
Not to forget, gullu butt ! is a Kashmiri
so on and so forth.

Anyone who has gone to lahore, gujeranwala or Sialkot knows how much influence and control Kashmiris have there.
 
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