Why do Chinese pupils do so well in school tests?

[Steve781]

Genetics probably has something to do with it. But whenever anybody tries to study differences in intelligence between different ethnic groups they get accused of racism.

 

[Sardar Singh]

Because of this ?

J/K

 

[Roybot]

This chart is bullshit!

Because it's all about the selective immigration, as Indian immigrants to Australia are WELL above Indian average due to Australia's strict point-based immigration laws.
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You do realise that the chart is from the very study you quoted in the first post and opened the thread for right? What a muppet

Why doesn't the same logic apply about Chinese immigrants to Australia? Are you telling me they don't have to face the point-based immigration channel?

 

[Speeder 2]

You do realise that the chart is from the very study you quoted in the first post and opened the thread for right? What a muppet

Why doesn't the same logic apply about Chinese immigrants to Australia? Are you telling me they don't have to face the point-based immigration channel?

You got it messed up completely.

1, The OP doesn't include such a chart.

2. I didn't say that I agree with the OP in every word, in fact I disagree with its explanations..

3. Australian Chinese example cited in the OP is also biased. but it doesn't refute (which you take it for granted), neither explain (which the OP hopes), OP's general finding that the Chinese scored the highest.

The OP just doesn't get it why so, neither do you.

 

[Roybot]

You got it messed up completely.

1, The OP doesn't include such a chart.

2. I didn't say that I agree with the OP in every word, in fact I disagree with its explanations..

3. Australian Chinese example cited in the OP is also biased. but it doesn't refute (which you take it for granted), neither explain (which the OP hopes), OP's general finding that the Chinese scored the highest.

The OP just doesn't get it why so, neither do you.

The op might not have included the chart, but the study it is referring to does. Fact is when Indian and Chinese kids are put together through the same education system, there is very little that separates the two. We have seen examples from the UK and Australia now.

As for the rest of the points you raised, I suggest you read the actual study, rather than news articles, before you pass a judgement on how inaccurate or biased the study is.

https://johnjerrim.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/australia_asia_paper.pdf

 

[Aegis DDG]

The op might not have included the chart, but the study it is referring to does. Fact is when Indian and Chinese kids are put together through the same education system, there is very little that separates the two. We have seen examples from the UK and Australia now.

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As for the rest of the points you raised, I suggest you read the actual study, rather than news articles, before you pass a judgement on how inaccurate or biased the study is.

https://johnjerrim.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/australia_asia_paper.pdf

Don't bother trying to reason with him. He has his own racial agenda, hence vested bias. Plus he is renown troll on PDF, his speciality being Indians.

 

[Speeder 2]

The op might not have included the chart, but the study it is referring to does. Fact is when Indian and Chinese kids are put together through the same education system, there is very little that separates the two. We have seen examples from the UK and Australia now.

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As for the rest of the points you raised, I suggest you read the actual study, rather than news articles, before you pass a judgement on how inaccurate or biased the study is.

https://johnjerrim.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/australia_asia_paper.pdf

You can't read , can you?

As I said many times that domestical test scores out of immigration countries such as Australia, UK, US, Canada etc are not credible enough as any objective measure or proof of anything due to selected immigrations, unlike international standard tests such as PISA or TIMASS which measure the average population much more objectively.
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Don't bother trying to reason with him. He has his own racial agenda, hence vested bias. Plus he is renown troll on PDF, his speciality being Indians.

Say that long ago my research led me to Project 81 by chance...

nonetheless, it becomes my humble obligation to make some supa pawa in PDF feel enlightened from time to time.

 

[chickenmasala]

You can't read , can you?

As I said many times that domestical test scores out of immigration countries such as Australia, UK, US, Canada etc are not credible enough as any objective measure or proof of anything due to selected immigrations, unlike international standard tests such as PISA or TIMASS which measure the average population much more objectively.

selective immigration is mainly true for america. for europe and australia, they don't have selective immigration. otherwise how could you explain all the low iq pakistanis and arabs immigrating there, causing all the crime? the indians who migrate there are by no means cream of the crop, they are the ones who couldn't make it to america
2nd: the average population of india is most poor, malnourished, dirty, etc in the world. my mom was 99 pounds when she married in her late 20s. there is no way to objectively measure indians in india. the most accurate way to measure indian intelligence is when they get out of india.

 

[zeronet]

They were all orphans? Really?

Do you have a link to the study?

If a Chinese orphan was brought up in some LA ghetto by some gang runners, who didn't care about education, I doubt he would suddenly become Harvard material.

that basically won't happen, cuz becoming adoptive parents is selective in China, based on applicants' age, income, and job occupation. Even you are totally qualified, you still have to wait a log time to get the opportunity. For foreign adoptive parents, it is even more selective.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

The op might not have included the chart, but the study it is referring to does. Fact is when Indian and Chinese kids are put together through the same education system, there is very little that separates the two. We have seen examples from the UK and Australia now.

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As for the rest of the points you raised, I suggest you read the actual study, rather than news articles, before you pass a judgement on how inaccurate or biased the study is.

https://johnjerrim.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/australia_asia_paper.pdf

Any studies on cross-cultural adoptions?

Chinese kids growing up in non-Chinese households and vice versa?

Because of Chinese parents.

Look at the top scoring places in the world, Mainland, Hong Kong, Singapore.

It's Chinese parents, anyone with Chinese parents will understand first hand, how much pressure they put on us to be successful.

The world is valued by money.

1/4 of Taiwan means stupid, whatever you try to defend it.

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Both genes and culture play a part. The Indian and Chinese migrant in Europe are self-selective

The Singaporean Chinese and German Vietnamese are the poorest and least educated in their home country. Today, Singaporean Chinese are the highest IQ people in this planet and German Vietnamese are the smartest and most successful community in Germany. Malaysian Chinese are extremely successful as well, overcoming economic racism by Islamofascist Malay.

The Malaysian Indians aka former Dalits are not able overcome Malay Islamofascism and now they are full of crime and gangsterism.

Also Singaporean Chinese is a blessing of the entire countries. A stroke of lottery and good fortune that Malays and Indians got such as good chance to be ruled and live side by side with Singaporean Chinese.

In Malaysia where Malay are in charge, it is a cesspool of Islamofascism and racism. In Indian Carribean (guyana), India Africa (Mauritius), there are rampant caste system and I have seen in forum that Indians commented they are being polluted by natives. There are civil wars of due to Indian caste systems in some of those countries because Indian like to discriminate too much.

But Singaporean Chinese are such good people that we anchor the culture and help minorities learn our virtue. By learning with Singaporean Chinese, minorities become better and better people.

 

[Norwegian]

High academic knowledge does not guarantee any job at all. Idea behind studying was originally to gain KNOWLEDGE and apply it in real life. That seems to be missing when we are increasingly educating people to unemployment.

 

[MarkovChain]

High academic knowledge does not guarantee any job at all. Idea behind studying was originally to gain KNOWLEDGE and apply it in real life. That seems to be missing when we are increasingly educating people to unemployment.

I work in a niche field that applies mathematics to business with a multinational and about 50% of the people in my department are Chinese. The Chinese students in the United States definitely do better on an average to any other country in physical sciences and mathematics. They lag behind in marketing themselves and in communicating effectively (maybe because English isn't their native) - but their performance is undoubtedly superior on an average.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Simple :

a) They have good quality Courses
b) Regular School
c) Secondary school
d) Extra studies on top

Just plain and simple Not to mention good quality teachers

There were certain computational approaches I saw from some Chinese folks that I must admit I had never seen before , how to add , multiply stuff which really showed me a thing or two few years back


Chinese did invest knowledge / Math / Science etc

 

[chickenmasala]

The Malaysian Indians aka former Dalits are not able overcome Malay Islamofascism and now they are full of crime and gangsterism.

Also Singaporean Chinese is a blessing of the entire countries. A stroke of lottery and good fortune that Malays and Indians got such as good chance to be ruled and live side by side with Singaporean Chinese.

In Malaysia where Malay are in charge, it is a cesspool of Islamofascism and racism. In Indian Carribean (guyana), India Africa (Mauritius), there are rampant caste system and I have seen in forum that Indians commented they are being polluted by natives. There are civil wars of due to Indian caste systems in some of those countries because Indian like to discriminate too much.

But Singaporean Chinese are such good people that we anchor the culture and help minorities learn our virtue. By learning with Singaporean Chinese, minorities become better and better people.

i agree with you that genetics has a role in it. but if malaysian indians are former dalits, which was the lowest caste (not even part of the caste system)

2005 unskilled labor:
chinese 20% vs indian 35%

chinese were ahead of indians, but it's not a huge gap. according to you these indians are the lowest india has to offer in terms of genetics and they make up <20% of the indian population. so if you take the remaining 80+%, they should not be that far behind in terms of academics yes?

 

[Lux de Veritas]

i agree with you that genetics has a role in it. but if malaysian indians are former dalits, which was the lowest caste (not even part of the caste system)

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2005 unskilled labor:
chinese 20% vs indian 35%

chinese were ahead of indians, but it's not a huge gap. according to you these indians are the lowest india has to offer in terms of genetics and they make up <20% of the indian population. so if you take the remaining 80+%, they should not be that far behind in terms of academics yes?

The Indians community is quite fat on the tail end. They are over-represented in elite occupation and also in crime and poverty. Meanwhile the Chinese community are fat on the center of bell curve, with fewer criminals and fewer top jobs wrt their population.

This has to do with culture.

As a whole, society tends to function better with Chinese as majority or in charge. I see a caste system if Indians dominate. Rampant Islamofascism when Malay Muslims are the boss.

I would say Chinese culture is quite "socialist". Indian one is "capitalism".