Why China will chose India over Pakistan

[Developereo]

If it had been the case(as narrated by you), we would be fighting over who won the 2001-02 war on PDF today.*
*conditions apply

Precisely!

GOI acknowledged the '*' part of the reality and realized that, despite all the bluser, India cannot engage Pakistan in a war. Not without severe consequences.

lil correction INDIA did not refused it was pakistan who took a U turn saying they cant send there ISI cheif to india . why would INDIA refuse to something it demanded?

Fair enough.

The 26/11 saga has been debated in countless threads by people far more knowledgeable than myself and it is clear that GOI was less-than-forthcoming in its dealings with Pakistan about 26/11. It was more interested in point scoring and propaganda than in actually resolving the matter quickly.

The 10 reasons why China should choose India over Pakistan are

These are all reasons why China wants to keep India placated rather than being actively hostile. None of these is a reason to diminish the China-Pakistan relationship.

Pakistan should learn to be independent. We rely on other countries to much. .

In military and technological matters, yes. We will still need powerful diplomatic allies; even the major developed countries need to form alliances.

Maybe Pakistan should overcome its Kashmir obsession and heed China's advice.

It's not an obsession. As long as the Kashmiri freedom fighters continue to ask for our help, we shall be there for them.

100% guaranteed.

China gives green light to first ‘Made in China' Bollywood film

I don't want to lead offtopic, but why is it we can't have a successful film industry? Is it because we are too Islamic/conservative and look down on such things as dance, music, acting, modeling (and yet take interest in that of the 'enemy state')...or...simply not enough talent/drive/entrepreneurship/competence in this arena...?

That Chinese Bollywood movie is the perfect example of the kind of cultural exchange we need to develop. Given Bollywood's enormous head start, we cannot yet compete with them internationally, but we can start reviving our own film industry for a start. Again, there are separate threads discussing this, but Pakistan was able to produce fine movies and dramas until the 80s, before Zia's time. We have the talent.

Given our special relationship, I am sure the Chinese government would be willing to work together, but we must first demonstrate that we can once again produce movies that have an audience.

Pakistani culture is very similar to India, but there are subtle differences. We can highlight those aspects of Pakistan that make us unique and, at the very least, we can start building name recognition of Pakistani artists.

The main problem is that Pakistan always wants to be equal to India especially in Military Terms.

As for military matters, Pakistan has never sought military equality with India. We know the extent of our resources, and the aim has always been to maintain a credible deterrance.

When I said 'equals with mutual respect', I meant exactly that. In diplomacy, there is no need to browbeat your opponent. If you want cooperation, you have to treat the other party with respect, not disdain.

And, despite your parroting Indian propaganda, this is not a case of innocent India v/s evil Pakistan. We are well aware of India's clandestine actions against Pakistan going back decades, and continuing full swing even today. Just because the West gives a free pass to India, and highlights Pakistani operations, does not mean anyone is fooled about what is really going on.

 

[Jade]

Precisely!

These are all reasons why China wants to keep India placated rather than being actively hostile. None of these is a reason to diminish the China-Pakistan relationship.

Isn’t it true that China relations with each of the country is a Zero Sum game…I mean if China wants cozy relations with India, it has to abandon Pakistan…or at least that seems to be what this thread seeks to discuses

If you feel that China can have better relation with both the countries, then there is no need for China to choose India over Pakistan or Pakistan over India

 

[flameboard]

As long as Pakistan progresses and helps China in developing itself Pakistan will remain an ally. Pakistan needs to develop to win back the world that's all. This is a big simplistic I know but thats the bottom line. Plus the War on Terror must end soon if that's to be accomplished.

 

[Developereo]

Isn’t it true that China relations with each of the country is a Zero Sum game…I mean if China wants cozy relations with India, it has to abandon Pakistan…or at least that seems to be what this thread seeks to discuses

If you feel that China can have better relation with both the countries, then there is no need for China to choose India over Pakistan or Pakistan over India

The relationship is not a gestalt phenomenon; it depends on a case-by-case basis.

In matters where India and Pakistan are at loggerheads, we would like to have China's unconditional support. But there are matters where Chinese, Indian and even Pakistani interests coincide (carbon emission). In those cases, it is better if China and India cooperate.

In any case, we want a China that can focus on its global role, rather than having to look back over its shoulders for Indian trouble. A globally strong China is better for Pakistan and we understand that, in order to placate India, China may have to make some concessions that Pakistan may not like.

 

[bandmaster]

It should be obvious that an Indian alliance is not on offer to any nation. India shouldn't be in anyone's equation for seeking allies. Simply put, China's coercive powers over India are extremely limited, while it has overwhelming influence over Pakistan. If China has to choose between India and Pakistan on any issue, it is going to always favour Pakistan.

 

[Jade]

The relationship is not a gestalt phenomenon; it depends on a case-by-case basis.

In matters where India and Pakistan are at loggerheads, we would like to have China's unconditional support. But there are matters where Chinese, Indian and even Pakistani interests coincide (carbon emission). In those cases, it is better if China and India cooperate.

In any case, we want a China that can focus on its global role, rather than having to look back over its shoulders for Indian trouble. A globally strong China is better for Pakistan and we understand that, in order to placate India, China may have to make some concessions that Pakistan may not like.

I fear, at least, the China’s relations with either country are a gestalt phenomenon. China is no US nor does the China has the bargaining power at least wrt India for its relationship to depend on a case-by-case basis. India would not think twice to be on the other side of China. The recent refusal by India on “one China” is an example.

The same cannot be said of Pakistan. Instead of $30 billion dollar agreements with Pakistan, if China were to support Pakistan’s position on Kashmir or at least would have said the word “Kashmir”, which China did not do, the Chinese PM tour would have been considered much bigger success by Pakistan, but given the present situation Pakistan has no choice but to be on the side of China

Rest assured China knows that it cannot match US wrt to India; moreover, there are disputes between India and China and a brief war, and again India competes with China on resources for its developmental needs that would prevent India from cozying up with China.

Pakistan would enjoy China’s support or on paper at least now, because China cannot be seen by India as a friend; however, it is hard to imagine unconditional support by China to Pakistan as this would effect China itself in many spheres. The recent non utterance of Chinese premier of word “Kashmir” during Pakistan tour is an example.

In next thirty years, China, US and India are going to be the three largest economies in the world and it is hard to imagine how a much stronger China would be perceived by US and India; however, the kind of relationship that these three countries form and enjoy would largely govern the world. I fear, as the times goes, China support to Pakistan would become feeble, as the intra relationships among China, US and India would take precedence over other international relationships.

 

[huzihaidao12]

India's soft culture is not worth mentioning, India has some of the old movies, in China, said that there is a welcome in the 80s. No effect now. As for the Chinese media, bad news for some time, there is good news for some time, it is normal, but the Chinese have a too strong desire to learn from any country, including India, and sometimes the Chinese media to praise India with no facts. However, the Chinese people do not simply believe in any media, all of the real situation in India, it is clear that in China.

 

[huzihaidao12]

Pakistan's soft power is much stronger than India now. Because we all know that the people of Pakistan are friendly, not just government propaganda, we believe that all Chinese people have been to Pakistan. They have a good pass in this. This is the role of the exchange. Pakistan has a very good image in China. It has some troubles situation in Pakistan, it certainly can affect tourism, but will not affect the Chinese people to judge, a friend and an ally.

 

[huzihaidao12]

Everyone has their own advantages, the advantages of Pakistan is certainly not a movie or TV contrast India, but how to develop software culture? I personally think that more ordinary people's communication is more appropriate and better for Pakistan.