Why China Lags on Innovation and Creativity

[ashokdeiva]

haha india has so much freedom and it is the largest democracy as it proclaims but it loses out to China miserably in lmost all counts of developing and civilised indices.

That is a Korean, who has posted this thread, and until your idiotic comment, there has not even been one Indian, but its unfortunate to know that you bring in INDIA unnecessaryly with out provocation.


I don't think that the Chinese lag in inovative thinking. This article is just another propoganda with out proper facts.

 

[Tractor]

you are a ture idiot，enough said.

I have been used to someone calling me an idiot,that's ok.

 

[shuttler]

That is a Korean, who has posted this thread, and until your idiotic comment, there has not even been one Indian, but its unfortunate to know that you bring in INDIA unnecessaryly with out provocation.

I don't think that the Chinese lag in inovative thinking. This article is just another propoganda with out proper facts.

your country is the perfect example to rebut against the OP's claim that China's lack of innovation and creativity because it is not a democracy and no room for freedom etc etc!

 

[fly2012]

There is a difference between those two and China. In Nazi Germany and Stalinist SU, individual achievements were celebrated. They had heroes to inspire people. On the contrary in China, the commie propaganda teaches you that collective "good" comes before individual achievements. Children are taught/ brought up with the belief of Greater good of the country over individual achievements. And thats why innovation and creativity are so wanting in China.

What logic is this? Collective "good" comes before individual achievements mean "individual achievement is not celebrated"??? So in China people don't celebrate Olympic individual medalists? Japanese also have the same teaching and that doesn't prevent them from being innovative.

It is such a BS that democracy is linked to everything. It is like an almighty religion and solves every single problem. Innovation and creativity are results of science education and huge resources, something that, not surprisingly, associate with developed countries. What innovation came out from poor developing democratic countries?

 

[Tractor]

What logic is this? Collective "good" comes before individual achievements mean "individual achievement is not celebrated"??? So in China people don't celebrate Olympic individual medalists? Japanese also have the same teaching and that doesn't prevent them from being innovative.

It is such a BS that democracy is linked to everything. It is like an almighty religion and solves every single problem. Innovation and creativity are results of science education and huge resources, something that, not surprisingly, associate with developed countries. What innovation came out from poor developing democratic countries?

Democracy useless and I am confused about innovation and rich which one is result and which one the cause.

 

[gambit]

The Soviet Union and Nazi Germany were two of the most brutal and oppressive regimes and they were absolutely innovative in science and technology.

The Soviet Union was not an innovative society. Whatever scientific and engineering accomplishments there were they came from the government managing an elite corps of scientists and engineers whose products were largely for the military and who lived in secret cities. For Germany under the Nazis, at least there were some independent innovations because the Nazis at least had some respect for capitalism and competition. The simple microwave oven would not have been possible in the Soviet Union but would under the Nazis.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

Aren't you a false-flag Chinese?

Are you that helpless?

Germany was a developed, not developing, country and a democracy, how chaotic it may be, until 1932.

Germany was developed during the authoritarian Kaiserreich, companies like Siemens, Daimler-Benz, Thyssen, Krupp, BASF, Bayer and the also the famous educational institutions were all founded in undemocratic Germany. Democracy started in 1919 with the Weimar Republic and failed miserably with the end result of the barbaric Nazi regime in 1933.

You can see the effect of totalitarianism on German people through the history of East Germany. East Germany was never an innovator even though it comprised of Berlin and Nazi Germany's heartland. Totalitarianism kills Innovation and Creativity, period.

Guess why they started to build the wall!

Soviet Union wasn't very innovative; they were followers, not leaders. The Soviet Science and Engineering never quite matched the US ones, and the Soviets were always trying to catch up to the US innovations, which is easier.

A follower who sent the first satellite and man into space. Their rockets are still flying and supplying the ISS while American can't even send an apple to the space station to prevent the crew from starvation.

Anyhow, China is already on the diverging path of development from Japan and Korea before them, ensuring that China will not reach the Japanese/Korean level of development in the years to come.]

Japan 1972 : A budding democracy
Korea 1992 : A budding democracy
Taiwan 2002 : A budding democracy
China 2012 : A totalitarian country with no possibility of democracy and freedom in the near future.

Yeah, you are the Oracle of Delphi, what are the numbers of next weeks lottery?

 

[untitled]

Yeah, you are the Oracle of Delphi, what are the numbers of next weeks lottery?

 

[Götterdämmerung]

The Soviet Union was not an innovative society. Whatever scientific and engineering accomplishments there were they came from the government managing an elite corps of scientists and engineers whose products were largely for the military and who lived in secret cities. For Germany under the Nazis, at least there were some independent innovations because the Nazis at least had some respect for capitalism and competition. The simple microwave oven would not have been possible in the Soviet Union but would under the Nazis.

It does not matter from where innovation and creativity came from but you can't deny they at the very front row for many years. Their mistake was the high emphasis of the state and thus suffocating any private initiative. The also did not invest in manufacturing consumer goods and put all their money into the military. The Soviet's problem were not innovation and creativity, it was wrong economic policies and misallocation of state budgets due to a rigid ideology.

Nazi Germany's economic system has some similarities with most successful East Asian economies. Private companies were no discourage, in many cases even encouraged and supported and certainly guided according to national interests. Japan's MITI Ministry of International Trade and Industry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia is probably the most well-known organisation in guiding post WWII Japan to become a high-tech nation.

 

[SinoChallenger]

korean is just sore because Seoul can be wiped out by China's attack dog NK anytime. And NK is testing an ICBM next week while SK is crying.

 

[gambit]

It does not matter from where innovation and creativity came from but you can't deny they at the very front row for many years. Their mistake was the high emphasis of the state and thus suffocating any private initiative. The also did not invest in manufacturing consumer goods and put all their money into the military. The Soviet's problem were not innovation and creativity, it was wrong economic policies and misallocation of state budgets due to a rigid ideology.

Nonsense. It does matter where innovations and creativity came from. The true measure of such is how ideas benefit the general population, not the few like the government and its selected elites. I challenge you to find anyone who is willing to relocate to a land where technological advances are reserved for the few while most starves for them simply because those technological advances are ahead of a competitor who 'spread the wealth' so to speak.

Yeah...So many Americans abandoned their homes, cars, refrigerators, telephones, TVs, ultra absorbent toilet papers, and whatever else and rushed to the Soviet Union when they found out about Sputnik. They were willing to live with wax papers for toilet papers as they became Soviet citizens who were proud of the Soviet space program.

korean is just sore because Seoul can be wiped out by China's attack dog NK anytime. And NK is testing an ICBM next week while SK is crying.

Only in your dreams that NKR can take over SKR...

North Korean famine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Escaped North Koreans report that starvation has returned to the nation.[46] A study by South Korean anthropologists of North Korean children who had defected to China found that 18-year-old males were 5 inches shorter than South Koreans their age. Roughly 45% of North Korean children under the age of five are stunted from malnutrition. Most people eat meat only on public holidays, namely Kim Il-sung and Kim Jong-il’s birthdays.

The abomination call 'North Korea' is a joke of a society.

 

[SinoChallenger]

Only in your dreams that NKR can take over SKR...

North Korean famine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The abomination call 'North Korea' is a joke of a society.

LOL just because they are hungry doesn't mean they can't put nukes on Washington DC and New York City. After all, the ICBM test is taking place next week and USA, Japan, SK don't even have the balls to do anything about it.

 

[marshall]

As long as the country is prosperous as a whole, China can do without fat cats like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs. They are helpful only for a small segment of a society and are good for a conversation piece.

What are you talking about? Bill Gates and Steve Jobs were the technology icons of their era. They did not inherit their money, they made it by innovating. The computer revolution became what it is today largely because of Microsoft and Apple and its continued evolution towards ubiquitous computing is still being driven by them and companies like Google.

 

[gambit]

LOL just because they are hungry doesn't mean they can't put nukes on Washington DC and New York City. After all, the ICBM test is taking place next week and USA, Japan, SK don't even have the balls to do anything about it.

South Korea does not have nukes, the capital city is near the DMZ, and North Korea does not have the balls to do anything about it. May be because malnutrition rendered North Koreans 'ball-less' both figuratively and literally...

 

[marshall]

It does not matter from where innovation and creativity came from but you can't deny they at the very front row for many years. Their mistake was the high emphasis of the state and thus suffocating any private initiative. The also did not invest in manufacturing consumer goods and put all their money into the military. The Soviet's problem were not innovation and creativity, it was wrong economic policies and misallocation of state budgets due to a rigid ideology.

The Soviet Union could have continued along it's 1960s economic trajectory if it did not allocate such a grotesque proportion of its financial resources towards their military. This choked off funding to the civilian sector that escalated to the point of rationing of basic items. In light of the increasing awareness of comparatively prosperous OECD countries, this caused a pervasive public resentment despite the social welfare state. This is the real reason why the USSR collapsed. Malinvestment was the reason and it caused symtoms that took decades to manifest. Gorbachev simply accelerated the inevitable. China was on the same path until Deng Xiaoping stemmed the tide and did a 180 to transform China into a hybrid socialist-capitalist society.

Nazi Germany's economic system has some similarities with most successful East Asian economies. Private companies were no discourage, in many cases even encouraged and supported and certainly guided according to national interests. Japan's MITI Ministry of International Trade and Industry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia is probably the most well-known organisation in guiding post WWII Japan to become a high-tech nation.

It's interesting that Japan was unquestionably the most successful example of industrialization until 1990. It was only after the Japanese leadership began listening to foreign advisers to loosen their grip on their currency and open their markets when they began their long and still continuing decline.