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Why China Is Selling Submarines to Pakistan ?

First China and Pakistan has 60 year old relationship that is why China is selling us these submarines. Than Pakistan needs much bigger Naval Force which includes lot of submarines to counter our beloved enemy India. Thirdly China is now also investing in CPEC for which they want our Arabian sea to be in our full control and no enemy dares to block it. Finally I would suggest China places 4 Type 54 Frigates and two Type 52D Destroyers at Gawader along with two nuclear submarines. Pakistan should also buy lot of Type 54 A Frigates from China as well as Cruise missile destroyers. I find this article stupid and hilarious and completely childish.
The article concentrates on one particular advantage of the deal which is a byproduct, while the real advantage is financial for China and defense related for Pakistan ..

china is selling to us because we have the right to buy them.
There is the need for these subs also and mainly.. The new EEZ in the Arabian sea ought to be defended, you never know what's in there.. when one hears Arab or Arabian in that Area it is synonymous with oil and gas.. so it might be the main reason behind this deal....
 
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All I see those Indian trolls in this thread is to defame Chinese sub. I will call it sour grape. 8 AIP sub will give IN heavy punch anytime PN wants. Indians just don't understand it's not difficult to make it 16 if PN assimilate the tech.

it is easier to destroy Pakistani subs in the sea than it is to find your nukes on land
it took Uncle Sam six years to find Bin Laden
If Bin Laden hides in the sea, USA will never find him.
 
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Pakistan must achieve second strike capabilities...Good Luck Pak:pakistan:
 
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Revealed: Why China Is Selling Submarines to Pakistan
Does the sale represent a step in China’s possible ambitions to have a toehold in the Indian Ocean?

As previously covered by The Diplomat, Pakistan announced earlier this year that it has agreed to purchase eight modified Type 41 Yuan-class diesel-electric submarines from China. These boats will provide Islamabad with much-needed Anti-Access/Area Denial (A2/AD) capabilities against the Indian Navy in case of war. This would be especially useful in case of an Indian blockade of Pakistan’s coast and could give New Delhi grounds to pause before deploying its planned new aircraft carrier, the INS Vikrant.

A Yuan-class submarine is undoubtedly a great piece of kit. It is China’s first class of submarines to incorporate an indigenously designed- and constructed Air-Independent Propulsion system (AIP), giving it a cruise speed of 18 knots and an operational range of 8,000 nautical miles. Although the export version of the Yuan, named the S-20, does not automatically come fitted with the AIP, Pakistan has apparently been able to secure it for its subs. Furthermore, the Yuan is integrated “with advanced noise reduction techniques including anechoic tiles, passive/active noise reduction and an asymmetrical seven-blade skewed propeller.”

Combined with the AIP, this makes the Yuan-class the quietest non-nuclear sub in the PLAN. Furthermore, the Yuan has an impressive set of teeth. Aside from six tubes firing standard 553mm torpedoes, it is equipped with the YJ-8/8A Anti-Ship Cruise Missile (ASCM). While this weapon only has a maximum range of between 30-42 km, there are plans to equip the Yuans with the YJ-18 ASCM. These missiles have a reported range of 220 km and, represent a real A2/AD “force multiplier” for the Yuan. Whether Pakistan will attempt to acquire these missiles, or opt to go for another option (such as their indigenously produced Hatf VII Babur) is unknown.

The sale raises one crucial question: why is China selling Pakistan these subs? There is undoubtedly a commercial aspect to this transaction (it is unknown how much Pakistan will pay for these boats, although it is certainly in the multi-billion dollar range). However, one potential reason which is worrying analysts in New Delhi is that this represents a step in China’s possible ambitions to have a toehold in the Indian Ocean. Without opening the can of worms that is the “String of Pearls” debate, it’s worth looking at this possibility.

Here are the facts: Firstly, the Indian Ocean is important for China for a range of reasons. The amount of Chinese sea-borne trade which passes through the Indian Ocean sea-lane is staggering. These sea-lines of communication (SLOCs) represent a lifeline for the Chinese economy, not least in terms of imports of natural resources, especially hybrocarbons, and exports, in terms of manufactured goods. Any naval strategist worth his salt has read Alfred Thayer Mahan, and will immediately recognize the importance of securing a trading state’s SLOCs. China is no exception.

Secondly, China has recently deployed submarines to the Indian Ocean. (This, incidentally, included the visit of a Yuan-class boat to Karachi.) According to Beijing, these are primarily there to participate in the ongoing anti-piracy campaign in the Gulf of Aden. While this is at least partially true, it is also likely that they are conducting exercises, surveys, and perhaps even combat patrols which can be useful for future operations in the Indian Ocean. Thirdly, Beijing does care about its image and is “realistic” about its power-projection capabilities. According to a recent US Naval War College report, it’s unlikely that China will construct overseas bases in the same way that the United States or France have in the near future in fear of alarming other stakeholders and overstretching naval resources needed closer to home. Finally, China is a long way from the Indian Ocean, and Pakistan is its closest partner in the neighborhood.

Even if its subs can stay at sea for months without refueling at a time, its crews can’t. Having a well-fitted anchorage close to a submarine’s intended area of operations makes it much easier to rotate crews, take on fresh supplies, and carry out maintenance. The PLAN has already called on ports in Oman, Djibouti, and Aden during its anti-piracy campaigns in the Gulf of Aden. However, this has so far only included surface vessels. Submarines often require more specialized facilities to function effectively. Locating a resupply place (not base) in the friendliest state in the area makes sense.

A Pakistani naval facility which already berths compatible subs sounds like a good fit for such a “place.” It would remove the need to permanently station a large number of personnel and equipment abroad, while providing adequate maintenance facilities for the sort of routine repairs that submarines unavoidably need in order to function smoothly over long periods of time. This wouldn’t represent the first time this kind of arrangement has occurred. For example, the British Oberon-class was used by several other allied states during the Cold War, including Australia and Canada. The fact that these navies operated the same class of vessels facilitated maintenance during exercises and visits.\


Revealed: Why China Is Selling Submarines to Pakistan | The Diplomat
Why france selling rafale to india when india already have su30mki super duper and air power balance is in ur favoure
And answer is for why china selling subs to pakistan because we buying from them and need to get some sort of balanced naval power in arabian sea also deny indian dream of blocking of pakistani sea lanes and we are paying $5 billions for these
We didnot go for uboats as germany was not allowing or agreeing to modify torpedo tubes to fire babur or other long range offensive weapons on its boats
 
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Any weapons that Pakistan get especially from China is really a source of pain for india as they always say it will be used against us what about ur recent weapons purchase Rafale, Apaches, P-8, C 17, Scorpene what r for those they are against Pakistan & China undoubtably so stop whining like a baby & grow up u have started weapons race in the region so get used to the fact that ur adversaries can also do the same for their defence.

You better know the answer

Yeah we don't if we can defend ourselves in 1965 war against an enemy 4-5 times greater then us in numbers then we can do it again & again
 
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In short, china is firing a bullet from Pakistani Gun

This is more like China is giving a very advance gun to Pakistan (or a few Guns) and asking her to fire when need be for either one's purpose. Not bad, it's called strategic partnership.
 
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You are free to make alliance with anyone, but ensure not to get left alone when you need the alliance support. You know, history is a very good teacher.
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Russian learned it the hard way
 
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Is your freedom and sovereignty in peril? Or is it a conspiracy spun by your defense establishment as an excuse to buy more toys and to stay relevant in Pak society with the 'Indian threat' bogey?
No one ask a trumipt head to comment
 
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This is more like China is giving a very advance gun to Pakistan (or a few Guns) and asking her to fire when need be for either one's purpose. Not bad, it's called strategic partnership.

Just like the advance guns like Apache, P-8, C-17 that u have given to india to further destabilize the region.
 
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