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Why Can Intel and AMD Sell Chips to Huawei Again?

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On Sept. 15, new restrictions barring sales of U.S. components to Chinese tech giant Huawei went into effect. Those rules would have prevented Intel (NASDAQ: INTC), AMD (NASDAQ: AMD), and other American chipmakers from selling any new chips to Huawei.

But shortly after that deadline passed, Intel and AMD announced they had obtained special government licenses that will enable them to continue selling chips to Huawei. Let's see how Intel and AMD obtained those licenses, and what they mean to the tech war between the U.S. and China.

Huawei installs Intel and AMD's x86 CPUs in its PCs and servers, as well as Intel's Altera FPGA (field programmable gate array) chips in its 5G base stations. Huawei develops its own Arm-based CPUs via its HiSilicon subsidiary, but those chips are less powerful than Intel and AMD's chips. Huawei depends on Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing (NYSE: TSM) to produce those chips -- but the Taiwanese contract chipmaker stopped taking its orders to comply with tighter U.S. regulations earlier this year.

Those restrictions also cut Huawei's smartphone business off from Qualcomm's (NASDAQ: QCOM) mobile chips. To make matters worse, NVIDIA's (NASDAQ: NVDA) planned takeover of Arm Holdings could eventually cut HiSilicon and other Chinese chipmakers off from Arm-based designs -- which account for over 95% of all smartphone chips worldwide.
Simply put, the U.S. could have cut Huawei off from the industry's most powerful PC and mobile chips with its latest restrictions. That's why the 11th-hour license approvals for Intel and AMD were surprising -- the U.S. clearly had Huawei on the ropes, but it's now backing up and giving the Chinese tech giant time to recover.

The details regarding the new licenses are vague, but they'll reportedly allow Intel and AMD to sell "certain" types of chips to Huawei.
AMD's EESC (enterprise, embedded, and semi-custom) chief Forrest Norrod recently said that, based on its recent license approvals, the chipmaker wouldn't experience a "significant impact" from the latest trade restrictions. Intel has been less forthcoming about the overall impact to its business, and merely confirmed it could sell chips to Huawei again.

AMD's statement suggests that both chipmakers will continue selling PC and server CPUs to Huawei. Intel already supplies server-class CPUs to Inspur, China's top server company, and stated back in July that the latest trade restrictions wouldn't affect those shipments. Intel previously supplied supercomputer-class chips to the Chinese government, but the Obama administration banned those shipments five years ago. Therefore, Intel's PC and data center businesses in China should remain fairly stable.

However, Intel's FPGA business, which generates most of its programmable solutions group (PSG) revenue, faces a less certain future in China because its Altera chips power Huawei's 5G stations (these are a major flashpoint in the escalating tech war between the U.S. and China). Intel's statement about "certain" types of chips hints that those chips could still be banned.

Yet Intel can afford to lose those orders since its PSG business generated just 2.5% of its revenue last quarter. Intel doesn't disclose the PSG segment's exact revenue from China, but we know that the chipmaker generated 28% of its total revenue in China last year. As such, Intel's FPGA sales to Huawei likely account for less than 1% of its total revenue.
Hesitation on both sides

These new license approvals should allay some concerns about Intel and AMD's future in China, but they also indicate the Trump administration isn't ready to completely cut Huawei off from American chips. That hesitation mirrors the Chinese government's reluctance to blacklist U.S. tech companies.
Both sides seem hesitant because their technologies and businesses are still too tightly intertwined. Moreover, cutting off Huawei from American chips would force Chinese chipmakers to accelerate the development of their own domestic chips -- which could harm American chipmakers over the long run.

 
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I won't be surprised if the Chinese catch up with the process technology within 3 to 5 years time! They have been aggressively hiring the Taiwanese, Japanese and Korean engineers for a reason...
 
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Now why would Trump allow Intel and AMD to keep supplying chips to Huawei? Wasn't his goal to strangle the competition? Probably 3500 US companies are suing him including Tesla. Goes to show how USA is dependent on Chinese companies and the China market. If US thinks it can go back to complete isolation he has just proven himself wrong. In the mean time Chinese chip companies will continue going full frontal in R&D, in the future Chinese companies will be completely independent of US companies thus immune to any sanctions. By then American chip companies will be losing the China market.
 
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I won't be surprised if the Chinese catch up with the process technology within 3 to 5 years time! They have been aggressively hiring the Taiwanese, Japanese and Korean engineers for a reason...

Pumping loads of money, having full government support, hiring smart engineers from TSMC and depending on our own engineers it will catch up sooner than most people would think. China as the chip powerhouse is in the making.
 
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US still needs to be able to hack into personal computers to steal sensitive data. That's y AMD n Intel are allowed. The more ppl operate their PCs with these companies CPUs, the happier the CIA is.
 
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US still needs to be able to hack into personal computers to steal sensitive data. That's y AMD n Intel are allowed. The more ppl operate their PCs with these companies CPUs, the happier the CIA is.

When people in China will be using Chinese chips it will be a lot harder for the CIA to hack. Windows and US chips are full of backdoors, Snowdon knows best. Chinese linux and chips all the way if you want to keep the CIA away.
 
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Huawei has started building new laptops with non-x86 CPUs to meet Chinese Government's expectation of planned chip and OS replacement. However Intel and AMD still have huge amount of CPUs in stock to sell as normally they sold over 60% CPUs to China annually but the sales now have significantly slowed down and shrunk due to the tech war.

As China is gearing up to complete the final piece of a fully domestic IC supply chain, which is high end chip making for mobile phones by mask aligners of EUV lithography, ASML is also on track to become the next big victim of the tech war. So they now all consider removing American elements from their processes.

Eventually, Trump, Pompeo and their others will succeed killing a lot of highly paid jobs in the America.
 
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