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Why Cameron should thank Pakistan

No nation has paid a higher price fighting terrorism than Pakistan. The west's criticism is unfair and dangerously divisive

Kapil Komireddi guardian.co.uk, Friday 6 August 2010

How about some gratitude? That is the question Pakistanis can be forgiven for asking.

Last week, as David Cameron was speaking with searing candour about Pakistan's dual role in the war against terror in Bangalore, having just concluded a lucrative sale of a fleet of jets to India, Pakistanis were busy mourning the dead in the worst air disaster in their country's history: 152 passengers aboard an Airblue passenger jet had been killed on the day David Cameron arrived in India.

A put-down, however legitimate, from a foreign prime minister touring arch-rival India must have stung. But even before Pakistan could regain its composure, floods were ravaging vast swathes of north-western Pakistan, killing more than 1,000 people and affecting as many as 2.5 million.

Peace has always been a stranger to the people of Pakistan. Even before the scars from the fratricidal bloodshed that accompanied its birth could heal, Pakistan was conscripted by the US in its war against the Soviet Union. A vulnerable nation that had barely begun negotiating a complex social contract that sought to honour the diversity of its people found itself being funded, at a time when it had no other viable source of revenue, to resist Soviet communism in the name of faith. In its fight against the evil empire, the west was prepared to brook minor tyrants – whom Pakistan produced with alarming rapidity.

After 9/11, the Islamic ally of the west against the godless soviets was being once again conscripted in the west's defence – but, this time, it was to fight the very forces it had been paid to bolster in the previous war. The west expected this monumental shift in Pakistani policy to take place instantly. As General Pervez Musharraf revealed, Pakistan had no choice: the US was willing to bomb it back to the stone age.

We did not need WikiLeaks to confirm the fact that, in the war that followed, Pakistan has pursued, for reasons both of ideology and realpolitik, a dual policy. That Islamabad aided some of the forces it was being paid by the west to help destroy is hardly surprising. What is surprising – and often overlooked in the west – is the extent to which Pakistan has actually taken on the monsters it once bred.

As Wajid Shamsul Hasan, Pakistan's high commissioner to the UK wrote, in spite of all the accusations of double-play, the facts are plain: no other nation has lost more troops in the fight against terrorism than Pakistan. The figure now stands at nearly 3,000. There was a time when suicide bombing was an unknown phenomenon in Pakistan. Today, there is hardly a city untouched by suicide bombers. Even mosques are now considered legitimate targets by the Taliban. More than 10,000 Pakistani civilians have lost their lives to terrorism since 9/11.

To a nation defined by religion, repudiating religious warriors was never going to be easy. Yet in this decade alone, ordinary Pakistanis, particularly those in urban Pakistan, have gone further than ever before. Living in a state of permanent siege, they are seeking simultaneously to resist radicalisation and redefine their national purpose. The recently concluded Coke Studios programme is one of the numerous examples. But what Pakistanis can do without, as they strive to create conditions which outsiders take for granted, is the contumely of visiting leaders of foreign states.

David Cameron's candour may be admirable, but his remarks against Pakistan have the capacity to disempower liberal Pakistanis – who are immediately attacked by their hidebound compatriots for being pro-western – rather than compel the state to rethink its policy. Ordinary Pakistanis are hankering after some gratitude from the west for what they see as their nation's sacrifices against terrorism. Yet each utterance of gratitude by the west sounds perfunctory, as though delivered only for rhetorical reasons – a preliminary to criticism and condescension.

This is not to say that the west should accept Islamabad's stance on every issue, or attempt to attain an appearance of "equilibrium" by criticising India, or even bring up Kashmir to appease Pakistan. All it means is that when David Cameron meets Pakistan's president Asif Ali Zardari today, he should say thank you, loudly and publicly.
 
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Praise whores of the world unite - Pakistan wants your gratitude!


And then there is this gentle putdown, for whose into these kinds of things :

David Cameron's candour may be admirable, but his remarks against Pakistan have the capacity to disempower liberal Pakistanis


Cameron candor admnirable -- but Pakistani egos weak and fragile and of course the co-religionists, "Liberals" have to be protected against the "hide bound" - absolutley disgusting.

For those Pakistanis into "praise" - Good boy, go and fetch" Happy?

For Those Pakistanis looking for gratitude - looking for love in strage places ---

Just get used to it, develop a thicker hide - Do it, whatever "it" is for your own reasons, please stop playing masochist to sadists, no one is buying that anyways.:cheers:
 
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Praise whores of the world unite - Pakistan wants your gratitude!


And then there is this gentle putdown, for whose into these kinds of things :




Cameron candor admnirable -- but Pakistani egos weak and fragile and of course the co-religionists, "Liberals" have to be protected against the "hide bound" - absolutley disgusting.

For those Pakistanis into "praise" - Good boy, go and fetch" Happy?

For Those Pakistanis looking for gratitude - looking for love in strage places ---

Just get used to it, develop a thicker hide - Do it, whatever "it" is for your own reasons, please stop playing masochist to sadists, no one is buying that anyways.:cheers:

Hit the nail on the head!
 
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Sorry but no one owes anything to Pakistan. Sure the Americans will approach you to do this and that...there's no consequence to their civil society, they sit thousands of miles away remember? So why did YOU give in to those demands? IT"S YOUR Country whose civil society would be ruptured. It was YOUR decision.
 
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Why Cameron should thank Pakistan

This is not to say that the west should accept Islamabad's stance on every issue, or attempt to attain an appearance of "equilibrium" by criticising India, or even bring up Kashmir to appease Pakistan. All it means is that when David Cameron meets Pakistan's president Asif Ali Zardari today, he should say thank you, loudly and publicly.

Here is where the dichotomy lies.

Thank you for what ?

What the world sees is a nation at war with itself expecting accolades for running with hare & hunting with the hound. While Zardari expects a ' shabash' his (if it can be called his) Intel agency continues to actively engage the bad boys.

What pak needs to do is for no one but Pakistanis to decide , no one else has the right to suggest. From what one reads here & on Pakistani papers on the net the right thinking people are expressing themselves . Will they prevail is something that one cannot be sure of.
 
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Why people ask others to thank them for the mess they themselves created? Pakistan willingly fought the war with soviets using proxy. They sheltered Taliban, if that created a mess which needs to be cleaned then why expect others to be thankful?
 
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^^^When the Taliban were in power the pakistani establishment was gloating and self satisfied that their 'men' were now ruling afghanistan. The PAKISTANIs have a lot to thank the AMERICANS, because for a good 15-20 years, the americans refused to interefere and said, ok dudes you say this is your sphere of influence, we think the Talibs are messy but if you think this is the way it has to be dealt with then go ahead- this is your ilaka. It was only after 9/11 that they realized the true extent the mess ups that you guys had created. ONLY THEN did they decide to go all out.
 
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He has become a rockstar in pakistan, the most popular PM of UK in pakistan.

So cameron has to thank Pakistan and pakistanis. :cheers:
 
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pakistan sacrifices are commandable to detect the terorism pakistan already the victom of this situation the world must support pakistan otherwise not to discourage pakistan and truth always ever green so that's why pakistan has no need to thanks of anyone .pakistan serves all the world to detect the terrorism so every one should be thanked and support to pakistan...i think so..
 
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Our forces have found very clear evidence of Indian involvement in the western parts of Pakistan which India is doing through its several high commissions situated nearby Pak Afghan border. But this strategy of Indian spy agencies has totally failed since Pakistani forces have ruined those indian supported militants disguising to be taliban and pushed them back to the Afghanistan. Most of them have been either killed or captured
 
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cameron should be chucked into the tribal areas to see first hand how much pakistan has suffered and zardari should be thrown into to just so they lynch him......
 
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Pakistan is battling its own demons and not doing anyone a favor. If you dont fight the taliban today they will take over your own country so by fighting them Pakistan is doing itself a favor. Its like saying that the world should thank India for fighting the Maoist. Sorry but David Cameron does not have to thank anyone, his comments were true and he has his voters behind him so getting support from Pakistan isnt on his cards or his concern.
 
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