Why aren’t Arab countries supporting Turkey in Afrin?

[xyxmt]

Iran?

Iran is very selective

 

[Solomon2]

In the contrary, countries like Saudi Arabia who is allied with Israel is financing the TOW and other equipment to PKK YPG. These Arabs are doing America’s and Israel’s bidding. My question is why aren’t we boycotting them by not going to Haj? The money Turks and Muslims spend in Saudi Arabia comes back to us by Saudi sponsored TOW’s.

Turkey, the Arab World Is Just Not That into You
by Burak Bekdil
January 14, 2018 at 4:30 am
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/11730/turkey-arab-world

• Sunni Arabs do not wish to revisit their Ottoman colonial past. Still, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan insists.
  
• A poll by Zogby found that 67% of Egyptians, 65% of Saudis, 59% of UAE citizens, and 70% of Iraqis had an unfavorable opinion of Turkey.
  
• For the Sunni Saudis, the Turks were allies only if they could be of use in fighting Shiite Iran or its proxies, such as the Iraqi government or the Syrian regime. Meanwhile, as Turkey, together with Qatar, kept on championing and giving logistical support to Hamas, an Iranian satellite, Saudi Arabia and Egypt distanced themselves from the Palestinian cause and consequently from Turkey.
  

He runs around in a fake fire extinguisher's outfit, holding a silly hose in his hands and knocking on neighbors' doors to put out the fire in their homes. "Go away," his neighbors keep telling him. "There is no fire here!" I am the person to put out that fire, he insists, as doors keep shutting on his face. That was more or less how Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's neo-Ottoman, pro-ummah (Islamic community), "Big Brother" game has looked in the Middle East.

After years of trial and failure Erdogan does not understand that his services are not wanted in the Muslim neighborhood: The Iranians are too Shiite to trust his Sunni Islamism; the (mostly Sunni) Kurds' decades-long dispute with the Turks is more ethnic than religious; and Sunni Arabs do not wish to revisit their Ottoman colonial past. Still, Erdogan insists.

Turkish textbooks have taught children how treacherous Arab tribes stabbed their Ottoman ancestors in the back during the First World War, and even how Arabs collaborated with non-Muslim Western powers against Muslim Ottoman Turks. A pro-Western, secular rule in the modern Turkish state in the 20th century coupled with various flavors of Islamism in the Arab world added to an already ingrained anti-Arabism in the Turkish psyche.

Erdogan's indoctrination, on the other hand, had to break that anti-Arabism if he wanted to revive the Ottoman Turkish rule over a future united ummah. The Turks had to rediscover their "Arab brothers" if Erdogan's pan-Islamism had to advance into the former Ottoman realms in the Middle East.

It was not a coincidence that the number of imam [religious] school students, under Erdogan's rule, has risen sharply to 1.3 million from a mere 60,000 when he first came to power in 2002, an increase of more than twenty-fold. Erdogan is happy. "We are grateful to God for that," he said late in 2017.

Meanwhile, the Turkish Education Ministry added Arabic courses to its curriculum and the state broadcaster, TRT, launched an Arabic television channel.

Not enough. In addition, Erdogan would pursue a systematic policy to bash Israelat every opportunity and play the champion Muslim leader of the "Palestinian cause." He has done that, too, and in an exaggerated way, by countless times declaring himself the champion of the Palestinian cause -- and he still does it.

Erdogan's Turkey championed an international campaign to recognize eastern Jerusalem as the capital city of the Palestinian state, with several Arab pats on the shoulder.

His spokesman, Ibrahim Kalin, happily said that the dispute over Jerusalem after President Donald Trump's decision to move the U.S. embassy from Tel Aviv to the Israeli capital "had in fact united the Muslim world".

A united Muslim front around the "Palestinian capital Jerusalem" is a myth. Iran, for instance, renounced Turkey's Jerusalem efforts because, according to the regime, the entire city of Jerusalem, not just eastern Jerusalem, should have been recognized as the Palestinian capital. Before that, Turkey accused some Arab countries of showing a weak reaction to Trump's decision to move the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem.

The Turkish-Arab fraternity along Muslims lines is an even bigger myth. For instance, the Saudi-led Gulf blockade of Qatar imposed in June came as a complete shock. One of his Sunni brothers had taken out the sword against another?! Turkey's Sunni brothers had once been sympathetic to his ideas but no longer are.

Only two years ago, Turkey and Saudi Arabia were mulling the idea of a joint military strike in Syria.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan (left) and Saudi Arabian King Salman bin Abdulaziz in Antalya, Turkey, during a time of better Turkish-Saudi relations, on November 15, 2015. (Photo by Chris McGrath/Getty Images)

For the Sunni Saudis, the Turks were allies only if they could be of use in any fight against Shiite Iran or its proxies, such as the Baghdad government or the Syrian regime. For the Saudis, Turkey was only useful if it could serve a sectarian purpose. Meanwhile, as Turkey, together with Qatar, kept on championing Hamas, Saudi Arabia and Egypt distanced themselves from the Palestinian cause and consequently from Turkey. Both the Saudi kingdom and Egypt's al-Sisi regime have viewed Hamas, an Iranian satellite, with hostility, whereas Turkey gave it logistical and ideological support. Another reason for the change in Saudi Arabia's position toward Turkey -- from "friendly" to "semi-medium-hostile" -- is Saudi Arabia's newfound alliance with Egypt's President el-Sisi. El-Sisi replaced the Muslim Brotherhood president, Mohamed Morsi, in Egypt, while Turkey and Qatar, have effectively been the embodiments of the Muslim Brotherhood in the region.

Erdogan offered to build a Turkish military base in the Kingdom, for example, but in June, Saudi officials turned him down.

Erdogan might benefit by being reminded of a few facts and shaken out of his make-believe world. For instance, he might recall, that his worst regional nemesis is an Arab leader, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, not an "infidel king." He must realize that he is no longer the "rock star" he was in the streets of Amman or Beirut that he once was – when the only currency he could sell on the Arab Street was his anti-Semitic rants. Turkey does not even have full diplomatic relations with the most populous Sunni Arab nation, Egypt.

More recently, a tiny sheikdom had to remind Erdogan that his expansionist, "ummah-ist" design for the Middle East was no more than a fairy tale he persistently wanted to believe. In December, United Arab Emirates (UAE) Foreign Minister Sheikh Abdullah bin Zayed Al Nahayan shared a tweet that accused Turkish troops of looting the holy city of Medina a century ago. In response, Erdogan himself lashed out:

"Some impertinent man sinks low and goes as far as accusing our ancestors of thievery ... What spoiled this man? He was spoiled by oil, by the money he has".​

But that was not the end of what looks like a minor historical debate. The row symbolized the impossibility of what Erdogan has been trying to build: An eternal Arab-Turkish fraternity.

Anwar Gargash, UAE's Minister of State for Foreign Affairs, said there was a need for Arab countries to rally around the "Arab axis" of Saudi Arabia and Egypt. Did Erdogan hear that? If not, he should have heard this one: Gargash also said that "the Arab world would not be led by Turkey". In what better plain diplomatic language could the idea have been expressed?

Meanwhile Erdogan keeps living in his make-believe world. Last summer, as part of his futile "euphemizing Arab-Ottoman history" campaign, he claimed that "Arabs stabbed us in the back was a lie". Not even the Arabs claim they did not revolt against the Ottomans in alliance with Western powers.

If none of that is enough to convince Erdogan he should read some credible polling results. Taha Akyol, a prominent Turkish columnist, recently noted some researchconducted by the pollster Zogby in 2016. The poll found that 67% of Egyptians, 65% of Saudis, 59% of UAE citizens, and 70% of Iraqis had an unfavorable opinion of Turkey.

Do not tell Erdogan, but if "polling" had existed a century ago, the numbers might have been even worse.

Burak Bekdil, one of Turkey's leading journalists, was recently fired from Turkey's leading newspaper after 29 years, for writing what was taking place in Turkey for Gatestone. He is a Fellow at the Middle East Forum.​

 

[mangekyo]

Iran is very selective

No, Iran helped Bosnia and even sendt IRGC fighters.

 

[TheCamelGuy]

http://iranmeli.com/بایگانی/6792

mainly in Iranian news Agnecy ... although much of Iranian well happy about this issue cause so called Islamic Republic would pay for Syria reconstruction with our taxes ( they can't sell the oil ) and in the end Iranian people won't have any profit from ...

just like Lebanon reconstruction in 2007 , or Iranian paying for Electricity that our government giving for free to Iraq or we paying for free Gas that our government is giving to Turkey ....

iraq pays for that electricity, also paid for the arms imports

 

[Oublious]

No, Iran helped Bosnia and even sendt IRGC fighters.

you did send mullahs from Qom and thats it. Ask Bosnians...

 

[mangekyo]

you did send mullahs from Qom and thats it. Ask Bosnians...

Why do you have to troll in every single thread about Iran?

Iran was the main arms supplier to the Bosnian Muslim military forces during the 1992-1995 civil war, in violation of the United Nations arms embargo. Needless to say, this was a criminal act and illegal. But because Iran had U.S. support and backing in this illegal operation through U.S. Ambassador in proxy state Croatia, Peter Galbraith, nothing was ever done about it. The U.S. media censored it and covered it up. End of story.

Iran supplied two-thirds of the total received in weapons and ammunition by the Bosnian Muslim forces during the 1992-95 civil war. From May, 1994 to January, 1996, Iran transported over 5,000 tons of weapons and military equipment to Bosnia. The U.S. government gave the infamous “green light” to Tehran through Peter Galbraith. A U.S. Senate sub-committee that investigated this “green light” policy, a clear criminal act and an illegal act in violation of the UN arms embargo, concluded that it had strengthened the Iranian strategic position in Europe and had endangered the lives of U.S. civilians and troops

http://serbianna.com/blogs/savich/archives/56

This is taken out from an article posted in 1995

But that was then. Peace is at hand now, and the United States and its NATO and non-NATO allies are poised to send in 60,000 troops to enforce it.

Iran, therefore, is a problem.

The question, though, is how much of a problem: Does Iran's presence pose a threat to American troops or undermine the logic for sending them? Or is it just an excuse, a way for people who oppose the Clinton Administration's policy to raise a bogeyman?

The Administration starts out with a point of view: Iran is an outlaw state and the worst fomenter of terrorism on the planet. Any friend of Iran is no friend of the United States.

But there is an uncomfortable fact: During the four-year Bosnian war, when America and Europe would not arm and equip the Bosnians, Iran sent thousands of tons of weapons and hundreds of military trainers and intelligence officers, and distributed aid to the dispossessed.

In other words, Bosnia turned to whomever would help, Iran found ways to do so and, for the most part, the United States let it happen.

Now, under the Bosnian peace accords, Iranian Revolutionary Guards in Bosnia are based perilously close to the area where some of the 20,000 Americans will be headquartered. They are supposed to leave but just as worrisome, according to American intelligence reports, is that Iranian intelligence officials have gone undercover and have even begun spying on the places where American soldiers will be based.

http://www.nytimes.com/1995/12/10/weekinreview/the-world-what-s-iran-doing-in-bosnia-anyway.html

 

[Timur]

Usrael

you mean Sausrael or USaudrael jokes aside I have to deal with a real retard..

Because Tayyip himself doesnt even know why he is in Syria. Tayyip is retard I swear, just look at his pointless operation in Iraq. One day he is friend with Iran, next day he is enemy with Iran and friend with SA, next week he is friend with Russia, 5 minutes later he shoot down their plane, 10 minutes later he buys s400. Yesterday he wanted to join EU today he shows finger to EU. Tayyip is retard.

Not to mention that he was in love with Israel but also he is ottoman sultan

Tayyip

this is now the same intelligence you used: "you can kiss ahmedinejads hairy legs.." and whats about iran being an enemy to turkey? and backbiting and lying and potting.. for guys like you this are lies and not true so dont answer me if you think this way because I will not belive you or fall in any taqiyya trap..

who will rule if Assad is removed from a war torn country Syria ?

you mean an iranian backed full secterian barbar assad is better for us?

Turkey, the Arab World Is Just Not That into You
by Burak Bekdil

we call him bokdil this means s h i t tounge thats what we think of him..

A poll by Zogby found that 67% of Egyptians, 65% of Saudis, 59% of UAE citizens, and 70% of Iraqis had an unfavorable opinion of Turkey.

he selected the best ones..

like the germans say :

viel (many) feind (enemy) viel(much) ehr (honor)
(like The more danger, the more honor)

 

[mangekyo]

this is now the same intelligence you used: "you can kiss ahmedinejads hairy legs.." and whats about iran being an enemy to turkey? and backbiting and lying and potting.. for guys like you this are lies and not true so dont answer me if you think this way because I will not belive you or fall in any taqiyya trap..

Here we have another akpartislave. Of course your Lord Tayyip is an angel and Iran is evil.

 

[Solomon2]

like the germans say :

viel (many) feind (enemy) viel(much) ehr (honor)
(like The more danger, the more honor)

Since Turkey waited until much of Syria was emptied and bloodied before intervening such honor is much less than it could have been, yes?

 

[MMM-E]

May be Turkey would find Saudi Arabia more amenable if it didn't send troops and arms to Qatar

Turkey doesnt need S Arabia , S Arabia is not independent country . 100% depended on the US
The US says jump , S Arabia says how long sir

Turkey,Azerbaijan,Qatar,Somali,Sudan we have enough power and strategic military bases in the region

 

[The SC]

you mean Sausrael or USaudrael jokes aside I have to deal with a real retard..

Are you talking to yourself stup?

 

[Cthulhu]

you did send mullahs from Qom and thats it. Ask Bosnians...

Spare me the bullsh!t.

 

[OldTwilight]

iraq pays for that electricity, also paid for the arms imports

as far as I know , you still doesn't there are more than 1.5 billions dolars that you didn't pay ...

 

[mangekyo]

Do many of your compatriots feel the same as you with regards to Syria? I think you might be in the minority .

Man, everyone not working for or receiving money from the government is feeling this way. But what are you going to do?

1. Sell your country for money.
2. Shut up in honor of your country but let the government steal the people and countrys wealth.

Thats the dilemma of Iranian people.

I went to Lebanon in 2010. I saw with my own eyes how much money our government sends to the Lebanese. If I told you what I saw, you wouldn't believe me. We are funding 3 countries for gods sake.

 

[TheCamelGuy]

as far as I know , you still doesn't there are more than 1.5 billions dolars that you didn't pay ...

i pay u tomorrow