Why are we so adamant in our support for Palestine when they themselves support India against us?

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

The concept of statehood or nationhood is irrelevant to what has caused this bad blood. There were people with life and families you displaced and stole their houses. They became refugees because you invaded their lands and forced them out of their houses, even though they initially had welcomed you with open arms and they were living with Jews in peace before you went there.

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Jewish-Arab wars date back to even before Islam. Maybe even before the Achaemenid empire as the Babylonians had captivated you. What's your point? How's that relevant to 1948? Palestine was a peaceful land in 1948 before Nakba.

If you claim a land to be yours, you'd better at least have some genetic link to the native residents of that land.

Many Orthodox Jews believe it is a sin to resettle the homeland without the appearance of the Messiah. This is why some of them support Palestine. For them, the Messiah must come first and Israel is an illegal state.

According to the Jewish religion, Israel does not have a right to exist.

So let's be frank, Israel was founded by Theodore Herzl, who did not even believe in Judaism, but who used religion for his nationalistic aspirations. He used the tragedy of the Holocaust to disenfranchise and steal Palestinian land.

Afterwards, Jewish gangs like Irgun (of which Menachem Begin was a member) committed massacres (like Deir Yaseen) to frighten and force Palestinians to leave their homes. Now Israel relies on the denial of Palestinian right to return as a precondition to peace.

Today we have Christian and Hindu Zionists who are more numerous than Jewish ones.

 

[Genghis khan1]

No one muslim ethinicty can claim ownership of Al Quds, it is a collective obligation and in relation to that we owe answer not to the people but to Allah Himself. The inhabitants can do what they like, our problem is the illegal occupation of our holy site by Zionists not the liberation of the people there. Al Quds does not belong to the Palestinians, it belongs to anyone who considers themselves muslim.

Yap, cortoba In Spain and Babri in India are also ahead in line. How about one closest to you first.

 

[BATMAN]

If that's true, why do Turkish and Arab members on this group bicker all the time? Ibn e Saud and the Ottoman emperor died ages ago. Their legacy should have died with them.

You said Ottoman empire was toppled by Ibn e Saud... than who was Kamal Ata Turk?

Another fact; Arabs from hijaz and surrounding areas were basically nomad tribes, never left Arab land so crediting them to topple Ottomans is unrealistic statement, besides the tons of misinformation and hate about Arabs being spread on this forum.

 

[Naram_Sin]

If that's true, why do Turkish and Arab members on this group bicker all the time? Ibn e Saud and the Ottoman emperor died ages ago. Their legacy should have died with them.

Most bickering is not due to historical reasons but contemporary conflicts of interest.

Turkey is not a passive entity, it is occupying Syrian lands, and has claims on Iraqi lands, it also antagonizes the gulf monarchies and the current egyptian regime.

Thats a significant proportion of Arabs.

 

[Cliftonite]

You said Ottoman empire was toppled by Ibn e Saud... than who was Kamal Ata Turk?
Another fact Arabs never left Arab land... there's tons of misinformation about Arabs spread on this forum.
Why is that pdf not interested in Iranian revolution and genocide that followed in Iran and sectarianism that followed in Pakistan!

Your anti Shia bias is showing. I'm discussing events from 1920s. Not the 1970s. The Khomeini regime didn't even exist then.

Ottoman empire was toppled by Allied powers in World War 1. The Arabs were merely acting as British pawns in the Levant and Arabian peninsula by helping them dismantle that part of the empire in exchange for kingship. If anything Kemal Ataturk saved Turkey from being divided into Greece, Britain, Russia and France. That's why Turks love him so much. And not the Ottomans.

Most bickering is not due to historical reasons but contemporary conflicts of interest.

Turkey is not a passive entity, it is occupying Syrian lands, and has claims on Iraqi lands, it also antagonizes the gulf monarchies and the current egyptian regime.

Thats a significant proportion of Arabs.

I don't have any horses in the game. Erdogan regime Turkey is just another expansionist regime, willing to play poker with the blood of innocent Libyans and Syrians in exchange for regional dominance. The only person and regime I admire from that region is Kemal Ataturk and Turkey under him.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Most bickering is not due to historical reasons but contemporary conflicts of interest.

Turkey is not a passive entity, it is occupying Syrian lands, and has claims on Iraqi lands, it also antagonizes the gulf monarchies and the current egyptian regime.

Thats a significant proportion of Arabs.

Please keep Iranian propaganda out of this thread.

 

[Yankee-stani]

I don't have any horses in the game. Erdogan regime Turkey is just another expansionist regime, willing to play poker with the blood of innocent Libyans and Syrians in exchange for regional dominance. The only person and regime I admire from that region is Kemal Ataturk and Turkey under him.[/QUOTE]

The same people that harp on "ummah" stuff tend to be boot lickers of expansionist regimes like Turkey,Iranians and Arabs they will always be hegemony in way but Muslims are the worst they kill their own for political power as for Israel we should not have ties with them or be close to anyone in the regional political mess there. Ideally Turkey and Iran should make a deal in Libya they are working together against the Saudis in Syria they should do that same Turkey should stop "neo Ottoman" fantasies come to senses make a deal with the Russians,Iranians and GCC whatever it will make Israel more concerned that way but Erdogan is a watermellon seller and most Turks are generally hyper nationalistic like the rest so cant reason with folks like that

 

[BATMAN]

Your anti Shia bias is showing. I'm discussing events from 1920s. Not the 1970s. The Khomeini regime didn't even exist then.

Ottoman empire was toppled by Allied powers in World War 1. The Arabs were merely acting as British pawns in the Levant and Arabian peninsula by helping them dismantle that part of the empire in exchange for kingship. If anything Kemal Ataturk saved Turkey from being divided into Greece, Britain, Russia and France. That's why Turks love him so much. And not the Ottomans.

You will be banished from your tribe, if you discuss anything from recent history.
That is why you are forced to discuss aliflaila made by the haters Khumeni created in Pakistan.
Carry on with your daily dose of lies, which is part of your worship.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Back to the topic fellows, it is about Palestine and not Turkey-Iran-Arabs rivalry.

 

[Naram_Sin]

Please keep Iranian propaganda out of this thread.

Claims are countered with proper, sound arguments not inflammatory one liners, now let us not derail the thread further.

 

[Yankee-stani]

Claims are countered with proper, sound arguments not inflammatory one liners, now let us not derail the thread further.

There is no hope the dude is bootlicker of Erdogan and Turkish brigade like most Pakistanis here

 

[Cliftonite]

The same people that harp on "ummah" stuff tend to be boot lickers of expansionist regimes like Turkey,Iranians and Arabs they will always be hegemony in way but Muslims are the worst they kill their own for political power as for Israel we should not have ties with them or be close the region

I really don't give two shits about Israel or Palestine so meh whatever from my side. Tel Aviv seems like a cool city though.

You don't know, Arabs are our brothers (aka masters), we are their chowkidars. No matter how much abuse they pile us on and call us al Hindoos we cannot turn our backs from them. Also Erdogan surrogate abbu number 1 hai humara. Ghazi hai ghazi. Salahuddin ki doosri reincarnation. Kuch kattar Shia'on ke liye, yeh majaazi khuda ka role Iran play karta hai.

We will also reunite with those stone age tribal Afghans because they are our "natural" brothers. Bengalis tou saalay thay hi reconverted Hindus unko goli maaro. Also Urdu is another dialect of Dari and Turkish and clearly not derived from Braj Bhasha and Khari Boli.

And then they wonder why people call them inferiority complex ridden identity less people.

 

[QWECXZ]

I really don't give two shits about Israel or Palestine so meh whatever from my side. Tel Aviv seems like a cool city though.

You don't know, Arabs are our brothers (aka masters), we are their chowkidars. No matter how much abuse they pile us on and call us al Hindoos we cannot turn our backs from them. Also Erdogan surrogate abbu number 1 hai humara. Ghazi hai ghazi. Salahuddin ki doosri reincarnation. Kuch kattar Shia'on ke liye, yeh majaazi khuda ka role Iran play karta hai.

We will also reunite with those stone age tribal Afghans because they are our "natural" brothers. Bengalis tou saalay thay hi reconverted Hindus unko goli maaro. Also Urdu is another dialect of Dari and Turkish and clearly not derived from Braj Bhasha and Khari Boli.

And then they wonder why people call them inferiority complex ridden identity less people.

Can you please translate the part about Iran and Shia people? I'm curious.

 

[Yankee-stani]

I really don't give two shits about Israel or Palestine so meh whatever from my side. Tel Aviv seems like a cool city though.

You don't know, Arabs are our brothers (aka masters), we are their chowkidars. No matter how much abuse they pile us on and call us al Hindoos we cannot turn our backs from them. Also Erdogan surrogate abbu number 1 hai humara. Ghazi hai ghazi. Salahuddin ki doosri reincarnation. Kuch kattar Shia'on ke liye, yeh majaazi khuda ka role Iran play karta hai.

We will also reunite with those stone age tribal Afghans because they are our "natural" brothers. Bengalis tou saalay thay hi reconverted Hindus unko goli maaro. Also Urdu is another dialect of Dari and Turkish and clearly not derived from Braj Bhasha and Khari Boli.

And then they wonder why people call them inferiority complex ridden identity less people.

Bro Jews are scums man I deal with them on a daily basis but when it comes to the whole Arab-Jewish, Arab-Iranian, Arab-Turkish rivalry I say stay out of it but the releastic person here thinks for the betterment of the region the only non Arab powers Iran and Turkey should just cut a deal instead of fighting but there to prideful smh

 

[Genghis khan1]

Any of our neighbors will try and pick a fight against us and it won't be just the Palestinians people crying about occupation no more.

Watch Trump's deal of the century.
It includes massive infastracture plans and Israel gives up on land.
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The Palestinians and Arabs rejected it.


They don't need excuses, they're a rouge state that will nuke Israel if they had the chance.

Watch my comment above.

You Strategic vulnerability cannot be overstated. You can say big words, but your land mass, every fancy hardware, every soul you have is more n less in 20 mile radius. With in range of MLRS area saturation volleys.

You only defense is preemptive Airstrike or threat of Nuclear retaliation. Now preemptive Airstrike is only good as your intel and hope that other country won’t launch a surprise attack. In case that fails.

...and you resort to Nukes, Bad option again. It will turn western public against local Jews, and rest you know the history. Specially, if you drop a nuke, no country will provide sentry to your people in fear of retaliation.