Why are we accusing the COAS?

[Genghis khan1]

 

[Maula Jatt]

Wake Up, man. Smell the coffee. In the middle of the news bulletin, videos are popping in about How great Gen Bajwa is. What do you think that is? Burying your head in the samd wont do you any good either
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What do you want me to do?
Burn down the house? I am right next to border who is there to take care of us? I don't want people to die from Ameristari mobs
We know what happens without powerful forces- we have seen partition as vividly told by generations, we also saw 65 when we were saved from brutalities of partition 2.0
I fear it, fear is the reason for my patriotism
He is a moron like dozens of other morons we have in this country- we are blessed with morons

Only thing we can do is protests like IK said, early elections

I am heartbroken too, but I care for the well being of the nation- that means we don't become part of Indian color revolutions, get hyper go Syria router like both our Western, Eastern nieghbors want

For sake of the country we need to become sane

 

[Big_bud]

Wake Up, man. Smell the coffee. In the middle of the news bulletin, videos are popping in about How great Gen Bajwa is. What do you think that is? Burying your head in the samd wont do you any good either
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Haha establishment trying to do damage control now! Experiment turned fiasco, gone out of hand! Army has resentment against Bajwa. Serving and retired military officers are furious at Bajwa, however Army is trained to be a disciplined organisation and they can't revolt against the senior most officer. They are trained to hold their horses and not let it out. So far it seems, GHQ had a lot of anti Imran Khan people.

As per my info, things were said like:

• It is not ISI's job to give any political information to the PM or to probe corruption by parliamentarians. There is IB for that. Ask IB.
• ISI stopped reporting to the PM. On Bajwas instructions.
• Then things were said along the lines: Who is Imran Khan? Who he thinks he is? And what is he doing? Why did he interfere in Army internal appointments? (Gen Faiz appointment in question here) Establishment brought him but he seems to have Psychosis. He is cut from reality. He is self obsessed. Nation is fed-up from his governance. He couldn't deliver shit and now he thinks he owns PMship? He would be thrown out and showed his worth!
• Mind making of junior officials was done. They tried to create bad sentiments against Imran Khan and portrayed it as a logical end to Imran Khan's behaviour.
• At the end of briefing, it was said: no questions please.
• A lot of people were convinced, lost sympathy for IK or became against him as a result of this narrative management. (They look up to their seniors as highly patriotic people who can't be lying) Hence... army struggled to reach the right conclusion. Their sentiments were successfully managed. However, can't be managed for long.

 

[M.AsfandYar]

Haha establishment trying to do damage control now! Experiment turned fiasco, gone out of hand! Army has resentment against Bajwa. Serving and retired military officers are furious at Bajwa, however Army is trained to be a disciplined organisation and they can't revolt against the senior most officer. They are trained to hold their horses and not let it out. So far it seems, GHQ had a lot of anti Imran Khan people.

As per my info, things were said like:

• It is not ISI's job to give any political information to the PM or to probe corruption by parliamentarians. There is IB for that. Ask IB.
• ISI stopped reporting to the PM. On Bajwas instructions.
• Then things were said along the lines: Who is Imran Khan? Who he thinks he is? And what is he doing? Why did he interfere in Army internal appointments? (Gen Faiz appointment in question here) Establishment brought him but he seems to have Psychosis. He is cut from reality. He is self obsessed. Nation is fed-up from his governance. He couldn't deliver shit and now he thinks he owns PMship? He would be thrown out and showed his worth!
• Mind making of junior officials was done. They tried to create bad sentiments against Imran Khan and portrayed it as a logical end to Imran Khan's behaviour.
• At the end of briefing, it was said: no questions please.
• A lot of people were convinced, lost sympathy for IK or became against him as a result of this narrative management. (They look up to their seniors as highly patriotic people who can't be lying) Hence... army struggled to reach the right conclusion. Their sentiments were successfully managed. However, can't be managed for long.

What do you want me to do?
Burn down the house? I am right next to border who is there to take care of us? I don't want people to die from Ameristari mobs
We know what happens without powerful forces- we have seen partition as vividly told by generations, we also saw 65 when we were saved from brutalities of partition 2.0
I fear it, fear is the reason for my patriotism
He is a moron like dozens of other morons we have in this country- we are blessed with morons

Only thing we can do is protests like IK said, early elections

I am heartbroken too, but I care for the well being of the nation- that means we don't become part of Indian color revolutions, get hyper go Syria router like both our Western, Eastern nieghbors want

For sake of the country we need to become sane

No one is calling for the house to burn down, just calling out the individuals within the house responsible, Not doing that will just will bring down the house too just years down the line. Been happening for decades now. The consequences of just letting the past go by manifested these past weeks. Will continue to be manifest years down the line UNLESS they are CALLED out and punished. As simple as that. We have the opportunity here otherwise why is there a need for this PR? Notice this is just for Bajwa, not the institution. Stopping this is allowing others to do the exact same down the line. You are right 1 man is not country. The same frigging thing applies here. Some men do not make an institution. If you think the next election will be fair you are in a bubble.

 

[Genghis khan1]

Bajwa has weaken Army inside out. No public support, no moral standing. He is trying to create Libya,Syria and Iraq like situation

 

[Big_bud]

No one is calling for the house to burn down, just calling out the individuals within the house responsible, Not doing that will just will bring down the house too just years down the line. Been happening for decades now. The consequences of just letting the past go by manifested these past weeks. Will continue to be manifest years down the line UNLESS they are CALLED out and punished. As simple as that. We have the opportunity here otherwise why is there a need for this PR? Notice this is just for Bajwa, not the institution. Stopping this is allowing others to do the exact same down the line. You are right 1 man is not country. The same frigging thing applies here. Some men do not make an institution. If you think the next election will be fair you are in a bubble.

I think several men in GHQ were either obliged, compromised or corrupt. Otherwise sanity would have prevailed. It is not easy for 1 person to manage this all. From complacency to corruption, there has been others involved as well. The nation will know InShaAllah!

 

[satyamev]

Pakistanis are strange.
First we dont want the establishment to interfere in politics because its a dirty business everywhere. We want our civil institutions to become strong.
Now, we dont want the establishment to remain neutral because our darling has lost support in the parliament.
Shortcuts to suit current agenda does not make any institution strong.

 

[TOPGUN]

Because he is a sellout that's why lost all respect for him.

 

[MisterSyed]

The role of the establishment is overstated

They are just one clog trying to look after Pakistan

People have become obsessive thinking they are some sort of all powerful magical entity pulling the strings, when clearly they are just one group trying to manage a Pakistan full of issues



We have corrupt politicians
A corrupt judiciary
A corrupt system

If the people vote for sharifs or bhuttos then what can the establishment do????


People don't want the establishment to not be involved, they just want the establishment to side with them

The establishment has to work with the government, if they do people declare the government hybrid

If they do nothing, then people declare them as siding with the opposition

The reality is the people are idiots and are not taking responsibility for their own failures and not holding our society, politicians, judiciary to account

Establishment aren't a Group of Childrenn. They Are called Establishment because they are Poweful People

Pakistanis are strange.
First we dont want the establishment to interfere in politics because its a dirty business everywhere. We want our civil institutions to become strong.
Now, we dont want the establishment to remain neutral because our darling has lost support in the parliament.
Shortcuts to suit current agenda does not make any institution strong.

We who? Your an Indian?

 

[I.R.A]

Now, we dont want the establishment to remain neutral

I am upset because this baja and co. didn't remain neutral, they helped, aided, orchestrated and made it possible. The daughter of nawaz shareef was involved in more serious and threatening issue, no one did anything back then.

Plus I am sour because this Baja and co. think that we are living in 1980s and 1990s, they can repeat their tactics and it will be easy to fool us again.

 

[satyamev]

I am upset because this baja and co. didn't remain neutral, they helped, aided, orchestrated and made it possible. The daughter of nawaz shareef was involved in more serious and threatening issue, no one did anything back then.

Plus I am sour because this Baja and co. think that we are living in 1980s and 1990s, they can repeat their tactics and it will be easy to fool us again.

not talking specifically about you.
Imran recently openly berated the establishment for remaining neutral and not interfering on his behalf.

 

[pakman12]

Pakistanis are strange.
First we dont want the establishment to interfere in politics because its a dirty business everywhere. We want our civil institutions to become strong.
Now, we dont want the establishment to remain neutral because our darling has lost support in the parliament.
Shortcuts to suit current agenda does not make any institution strong.

If the US threatened India and attempted regime change then would you want your ARMY & RAW to stay neutral?

 

[Big_bud]

Pakistanis are strange.
First we dont want the establishment to interfere in politics because its a dirty business everywhere. We want our civil institutions to become strong.
Now, we dont want the establishment to remain neutral because our darling has lost support in the parliament.
Shortcuts to suit current agenda does not make any institution strong.

Interference in politics means forcing politicians to perform actions against their will to achieve some different results. It does not mean that establishment should stop doing its job of taking care of internal security and report to PM about plots & plans against the government.

Don't you think establishment should spoil a foreign funded attempt to topple over the government? Establishment should look away when member parliaments are being locked up in hotel rooms? Large sums of deposits are being made into their accounts?

Do you think it is ok for the establishment if an honest and upright person is thrown out of power without any charges of corruption? And those who do have charges of corruption. Those who are on bail in cases that are pending against them? Are becoming head of the state? Is that acceptable? Nawaz and Shehbaz both have assets beyond means and corruption charges on them.

No one wanted to put a gun on opposition's head and ask them to take their no confidence motion back. But at least, organisations of the government should have done their job!

 

[PakistaniFirst]

Some hard hitting things are to be noted now:
1) People who have always supported army and establishment have now become against them. Just look at social media, "aam awam" not some paid political IT cell people but "aam awam" are speaking against army in strong words.
2) If IK foreign policy was such a disaster where were the agencies when he was preparing to go to RUSSIA. Army's and ISI's literal job is to protect state against foreign threats. Their job is to build up strategies, weigh in pros and cons and then send those strats to PM with a recommendation. The PM's job is to select the strategy.
3) This is not 90s or 80s where corrupt families can rule Pakistan. This is now progressive Pakistan. People have had enough of the old ways. World is moving on, India is working hard to become a global power and just when Pakistanis were becoming industrialized, startups were booming we have a corrupt regime imposed on us.
4) Some people here are saying establishment was neutral and pakistanis are "wrongly" angry on establishment. I have always supported my army and top brass, justified ayub khan justified Musharraf BUT NO MORE! Here is why; How can SC not have any hearing in 3:00pm in morning but can be opened in 12 midnight when rumors of COAS being ousted are circuling. Tell me one public office which is open in mid night. COAS is openly giving statements supporting USA narrative when our PM is saying he is being threatened by USA. Now Ali wazir who is a national security threat and is under constant scrutiny by establishment is allowed to vote and released, who has that power. IK biased journalists are being black balled. People are being put on ECL overnight. Only one institution has that clout and thats army.
Finally, just how dumb can our establishment be? On one side they say they are neutral, on another side they are openely doing things which make them reaponsible. If GOD forbids something happens to Pakistan, what would they do? Go abroad? They would always be treated as foreigner there not as a native. This has tarnished army more so than hanging of bhutto due to social media and mass IT era.

 

[Death Adder]

Interference in politics means forcing politicians to perform actions against their will to achieve some different results. It does not mean that establishment should stop doing its job of taking care of internal security and report to PM about plots & plans against the government.

Don't you think establishment should spoil a foreign funded attempt to topple over the government? Establishment should look away when member parliaments are being locked up in hotel rooms? Large sums of deposits are being made into their accounts?

Do you think it is ok for the establishment if an honest and upright person is thrown out of power without any charges of corruption? And those who do have charges of corruption. Those who are on bail in cases that are pending against them? Are becoming head of the state? Is that acceptable? Nawaz and Shehbaz both have assets beyond means and corruption charges on them.

No one wanted to put a gun on opposition's head and ask them to take their no confidence motion back. But at least, organisations of the government should have done their job!

There is no foreign conspiracy, how many times we have to explain it to you. Niazi himself became security risk and he is not coming back.