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Why are superpowers so massive? Is this a size requirement? And is Pakistan too small to aspire to this goal? or any muslim nation for that matter.

This is the answer. All empires and super powers had/have an ideology to protect/project. The day we Pakistanis find our ideology and are convinced about is the day we start getting out of this mess.
I agree, and that would mean India is the Global guardian of Hinduism, and likely the reason they are on trajectory or they think they are on that path.
 
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Much has been written under the heading: dynamic population, wise leaders, education and technology, size of territory, nuclear deterrance, military weaponry, etc. I think that all of these factors are not the cause, but the accelerator of the process leading to the point where the cause has reached.

So you can have some or even all of these qualities and not become a superpower. I think that the concept of superpower, more traditionally called 'global empires', is much deeper than that. But even it is not enough, in trying to understand this concept, it is also necessary to understand the global elites in the shadow of states.

Even leaving aside the issue of these elites, the basic conditions for the legitimacy of empires are necessary. First and foremost, global empires are the protector and guardian of a religion, an ideology or a worldview on earth. Their state is the state of God, or the state of a world without God. You don't have to go back to the Crusaders and the Christian-Muslim wars, basically the Communism-Capitalism war reflects a similar situation. Two empires fighting for sovereignty and the patronage of their subjects. The empire that championed Capitalism was the USA and the empire that trying to patronage Comunism was the USSR. These two ideologies have clashed in more than 50 different countries of the world last century, some of which have seen revolutions/military coups and popular uprisings, and some of which have even been subjected to de facto occupation.

That is, superpowers have in common that they offer the world a vision and a path, or are the globally recognized guardians of one of these paths. This legitimacy globalizes their political influence.
Yes, this is why only countries with independent foreign policies are worthy of being considered. First requirement of being a superpower is the country's government must put its own national interests above other countries. This is why countries like Australia and Japan are disqualified.
 
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Only US and India are qualified as superpowers of the world right now.
 
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John Mearsheimer is one of the most influential political scientist who belongs to realist school of thought.


Some points from the book by John Mearsheimer "Tragedy of Great Power Politics"

1) Great power is a country that has a military that can at least exhaust the strongest state in the system (USA)

2) Morgentau: Great powers are inherently aggressive because of their will to power.

3) Waltz: Great powers are inherently aggressive because they want to survive. Great powers fear each other. Great powers can never be sure about intentions of other Great powers who have offensive military capabilities

4) Power of a country depends on the size of its population and the level of its wealth. Great powers fear populous states with rapidly expanding economies

5) Big population is needed for raising big armies and big population can produce large GDP

6) Foundation of military power is ground force, with navy and air force supporting it

7) Great powers think about conquest and of how to prevent other Great powers from gaining power- the best defense is a good offense

8) USA doesn't conquer other countries because of separating power of water

9) While all Great powers are wealthy states, not all wealthy states are Great powers.

10) Mobilizable wealth is different from ordinary wealth. Mobilizable wealth means ability to produce weapons. Soviets produced more weapons and had more divisions and their divisions were better equiped than Nazi Germany's army, despite Germany having 3 to 1 advantage in wealth in 1941- Soviet economy was better organized for producing weapons than Germany's economy

^^So, a Great power is a country that has a formidable military and for building such a military you need 1) large population 2) wealth 3) defense industry.

Large population can produce large GDP and you can raise a big army, and you need wealth to buy weapons for that army, and you need defense industry that can produce those weapons....

And if you build a military that can exhaust the strongest state in the system (USA) than you can be classified as a Great power.


Regarding Pakistani population - no problem here, as Pakistan's population will hit 350mln people by 2050.

Regarding wealth of Pakistan - if Pakistan's GDP PPP will continue growing 5% a year for the next 30-50 years than it can become a large economy in the future

Regarding defense industry and technology - I think competition with India will force Pakistan to develop its defense industry and it can import military technology from China, Turkey or any other country in the future.

Assuming Pakistan becomes a populous and wealthy state by 2075 with developed defense industry, it will be able to build a powerful military and can be classified as a Great Power with population of 300-400 mln people somewhere in 2075.

In the nuclear age some of the military aspects do not matter

Pakistan can have 400 million people. You will always be playing second fiddle to India. Pakistan would have a hard time imposing their will on Iran.

I won't get into the sustainability of Pakistan's economic growth rate
 
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To be a super power you need :-
a large population - human talent pools and tax revenue, and a large armed forces

a large land mass - natural resources - minerals, food and energy.

a large industry base - you need to make your own weapons, ships, aircrafts and others

an education system - science and mathematics - to ensure you have advance technologies.

a large economy - financing a strong military need money. Old time Imperial Britain's economy depended on its vast colonies' production of opium, rubber, tin, iron etc. Once the colonies gained independence, Britains's superpower status sunk with the setting sun.
 
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This is the answer. All empires and super powers had/have an ideology to protect/project. The day we Pakistanis find our ideology and are convinced about is the day we start getting out of this mess.

I find the notion of super power very off putting. Given a choice, I would always prefer to be a minnow (in terms of global power structure) like a Denmark or a belgium with extremely high HDI and no apparent ideology, to any global power with big struggling and downtrodden sections of society. Who needs power when ones own people are struggling?
 
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I find the notion of super power very off putting. Given a choice, I would always prefer to be a minnow (in terms of global power structure) like a Denmark or a belgium with extremely high HDI and no apparent ideology, to any global power with big struggling and downtrodden sections of society. Who needs power when ones own people are struggling?

I do not know about Belgium or Denmark. But Netherlands tried to be a superpower but they relented when they could not compete with the British
 
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In the nuclear age some of the military aspects do not matter

Pakistan can have 400 million people. You will always be playing second fiddle to India. Pakistan would have a hard time imposing their will on Iran.

I won't get into the sustainability of Pakistan's economic growth rate


Pakistan.to.have any voice even in.her neighbourhood is so hard.
look at the great ancient civilisations surrounding it
china ...India...Persia... Russia,...

how is a,virtual.new state since 1947. gain.more credibility than.these giants
 
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UK is not a superpower by any measure. Worst performing advanced economy, terrible politicians, horrible long-term prospects, very weak military.
Britain is a developed nation with a stable society, millions upon millions of 3rd worlders migrate to Britain at an annual basis for a better life. Your criteria for a country being a superpower is very skewed. There are plenty of countries with strong militaries and so called "growing" economies like China and India which are miserable shitholes if you scratch the surface a lil bit.
 
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Britain is a developed nation with a stable society, millions upon millions of 3rd worlders migrate to Britain at an annual basis for a better life. Your criteria for a country being a superpower is very skewed. There are plenty of countries with strong militaries and so called "growing" economies like China and India which are miserable shitholes if you scratch the surface a lil bit.
Maybe the Chinese "shithole" is somewhat in someways better than the shithole you are living in right now like millions are homeless on the streets.
 
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USA, USSR, China and if india becomes one, all are huge nations.
I was wondering if other nations are just too small to ever attain this status.

India's not a superpower. It's an upper middle power.

But yes large size gives geographical advantages. Britain had a lot of navel power. The sea was it's advantage.

And yes Paksistan cannot be a superpower because of that. It has limited geographical advantages. Although it definitely is a middle power.
 
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Britain is a developed nation with a stable society, millions upon millions of 3rd worlders migrate to Britain at an annual basis for a better life.
So are Sweden and Canada. Are they superpowers too?
 
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Yes, to be a superpower in today's world, you do need a massive scale in terms of population and landmass.

In the early industrial age, there was a massive gap in development and technology between industrialized nations and undeveloped nations, so many mid-sized European countries like the UK, France, Germany and Japan (non-European), could punch far above their weight and conquer massive empires. However, that period is gone since development and technology are far more diffused. Therefore, modern superpowers do need a massive scale in order to dominate.
 
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India's not a superpower. It's an upper middle power.

But yes large size gives geographical advantages. Britain had a lot of navel power. The sea was it's advantage.

And yes Paksistan cannot be a superpower because of that. It has limited geographical advantages. Although it definitely is a middle power.
Just depends how much natural resources Pakistan has which I don't imagine much compared to superpowers.

 
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