Why are Modi haters turning into India haters?

[SarthakGanguly]

I think Modi is the best thing that has happened to India in recent times. Good foreign policy is definitely one of his achievement.

Naah, they won't come knocking on your door. I heard pdf is off air in reliance and other similar networks.

Raghuram Rajan is also a great guy. Underappreciated but really good.

hehehe..try telling that to #adarshliberals! They have another thing coming for Modi.. if it means ridiculing & embarrassing India in front of IMF head.. so be it!

English fail.

 

[JanjaWeed]

English fail.

 

[Kaniska]

i must be the "supreme troll" because i have 3500+ posts without a ban yet.

Of course..You will not be banned in any Pakistan forum or sites supported by Pakistan people...The reason is so obvious and nothing surprising about..due to you guys sympathy towards Pakistan and their activities with India..

 

[jamahir]

due to you guys sympathy towards Pakistan and their activities with India..

laughable.

 

[The_Showstopper]

due to you guys sympathy towards Pakistan

And how did you come to that conclusion?

 

[rubyjackass]

1) The Pakistani boat blown up was a smuggler boat? how do you know that?The very reason they are not being missed in Pakistan,declares what they were upto.You are questioning the Navy and Intel agencies typical #AdarshLiberal.

I said there are enough indications. See Praveen Swami's investigation and the DIG Coast Guards comments.

2)There are enough instances to label Indian Culture as Rape Culture by Agencies outside India and their proxies inside India,they were trying to show The Indian Males as rapists and the women are not secure and the need to safeguard them using external pressure,In other words turning ones country's females against the males.This plan was well executed in South Korea where women mere separated then converted to Christianity. Banning the documentary was a good step, showed the anti nationals they cannot play their propaganda cards against this government or country.That was the message sent to them.Only naive fools believe that Documentary was made by well wishers of this Country.

And yet you could not ban it outside India where, according to you, the intended audience is. Wah wah. Now you have made the world go wow about India. Proud of you.

You have to ban entry of all foreign journalists to stop any 'propaganda', which cannot be done. Otherwise every country does face campaigns against its interests. Muzzling press is not a solution.

I never said it was made by well wishers of the country. What is the message of the documentary? What was achieved by banning it? Simple analysis.

3)How is India winning world cup leading to unrest, is there any connection?The very Idea that India should not win World cup because it will consolidate Nationalism is supported by people like you.You have effectively transitioned from a Modi-HATER to India-HATER!
By justifying those causes.

Ask Ashish Nandy, he will tell you. He is a psychologist. May be he does have a theory.

Reminds me of some conservative calling Hawking anti-Christian, when he said universe came out of nothing. Those guys are academics, researchers sticking to their subject, probably over stretching it based on some principles in their fields. Let us leave it at that.

 

[wolfschanzze]

I said there are enough indications. See Praveen Swami's investigation and the DIG Coast Guards comments.


And yet you could not ban it outside India where, according to you, the intended audience is. Wah wah. Now you have made the world go wow about India. Proud of you.

You have to ban entry of all foreign journalists to stop any 'propaganda', which cannot be done. Otherwise every country does face campaigns against its interests. Muzzling press is not a solution.

I never said it was made by well wishers of the country. What is the message of the documentary? What was achieved by banning it? Simple analysis.

Ask Ashish Nandy, he will tell you. He is a psychologist. May be he does have a theory.

Reminds me of some conservative calling Hawking anti-Christian, when he said universe came out of nothing. Those guys are academics, researchers sticking to their subject, probably over stretching it based on some principles in their fields. Let us leave it at that.

1) only #AdarshLIberals quote Praveen Swami, that guy is known for his patriotism for Pakistan instead of India.It is quite evident when he tried to rubbish and insult Navy and Intel agencies and spoke on behalf of Pakistan.There are many clarifications given by Navy and Government later on,which proves he was wrong.

2)The point we don't care what they want to do outside India, they broke Indian laws and made a mockery out of our laws and Court.For that they were banned.The same leslee udwin later criticized BBC for cutting International rape statistics and posting only Indian rape statistics.Shows the whole nefarious agenda of BBC and what the film was intended for.
BBC cut out international rape statistics from India's Daughter, accuses Leslee Udwin - Firstpost
This Documentary's False Equivalence on Rape Won't Help Indian Women
We can ban Foreign journalists who come with a nefarious agenda to tar and malign India and create Divisions and unrest, banning such people can be done.You let Foreign Journalists in doesn't mean every Tom,Dick and Harry will report anything they wish as they want.That is not acceptable.

3)Ashish Nandy is a Sociologist not Psychologist,FYI, i learnt Psychology and other things in Med school.So yeah i know what Psychology is.
His agenda is well exposed, he has heartburn since Modi Government came to power and now that Hate of Modi has transformed to general hate of India ,Patriotism and Nationalism.
Only a fool would would think that Losing the World Cup might Benefit India on the long run.The article i posted in first page proves,why #AdarshLiberals don't feel they are doing anything wrong ,when they themselves try to malign and Tar India for a few laughs and Scoring Points,The same is with ISIS they too believe they are comitting no wrong since they hate Kafirs so much,so everything they do is Justified.Same case here with Anti-India Posters.

Your spirited defence of such people shows,you belong to that category.

 

[rubyjackass]

1) only #AdarshLIberals quote Praveen Swami, that guy is known for his patriotism for Pakistan instead of India.It is quite evident when he tried to rubbish and insult Navy and Intel agencies and spoke on behalf of Pakistan.There are many clarifications given by Navy and Government later on,which proves he was wrong.

Sure buddy. You seem to be a doctor. DO some diagnosis for yourself.

2)The point we don't care what they want to do outside India, they broke Indian laws and made a mockery out of our laws and Court.For that they were banned.The same leslee udwin later criticized BBC for cutting International rape statistics and posting only Indian rape statistics.Shows the whole nefarious agenda of BBC and what the film was intended for.
BBC cut out international rape statistics from India's Daughter, accuses Leslee Udwin - Firstpost
This Documentary's False Equivalence on Rape Won't Help Indian Women
We can ban Foreign journalists who come with a nefarious agenda to tar and malign India and create Divisions and unrest, banning such people can be done.You let Foreign Journalists in doesn't mean every Tom,Dick and Harry will report anything they wish as they want.That is not acceptable.

Stupidity at its heights. In today's world, where journalism is heavily syndicated, journalists need not be present in the country to do research. They do report on anything they wish with research based on content generated by someone else.

Now what? You want to ban BBC? I would rather have the ban on BBC than a ban on the film in India.

3)Ashish Nandy is a Sociologist not Psychologist,FYI, i learnt Psychology and other things in Med school.So yeah i know what Psychology is.
His agenda is well exposed, he has heartburn since Modi Government came to power and now that Hate of Modi has transformed to general hate of India ,Patriotism and Nationalism.
Only a fool would would think that Losing the World Cup might Benefit India on the long run.

His profile says so. A sociologist is probably better placed to make the statement he made than a psychologist.

The article i posted in first page proves,why #AdarshLiberals don't feel they are doing anything wrong ,when they themselves try to malign and Tar India for a few laughs and Scoring Points,The same is with ISIS they too believe they are comitting no wrong since they hate Kafirs so much,so everything they do is Justified.Same case here with Anti-India Posters.

Ohk. So you do agree that they have good intentions. I will show you how you are closer to ISIS than say Praveen Swami, since you mentioned his name.

1) ISIS claim to represent Islam and you claim to represent India.
2) You are a nationalist takfiri.
3) ISIS has a single layer of logic, same as you. Desh ka gun gao, good, nationalist. Point/question something bad in society even with an intention to better it, bad guy, treason, Kafir, anti-India. Do not bother with what is the cost and benefit. Till now you could not decide why there should be ban on the documentary - showing India in bad light or for violating 'conditions'. You don't even realize the ban defeats your very purpose.

4) They follow single book. You follow the one dimensional demented logic.
5) Both expect unquestioned submission to authority. You know which religion is named after that submission.
6) Both do not tolerate criticism of the people who merely operate on the authority.
7) Both aim for some perfect all-powerful state while they don't give a hoot about what happens to real people inside that very state. People should shut the f up rather than malign their country's image.
8) Both believe there is conspiracy against their constituents and that others are idiots to ignore these conspiracies.
9) Both believe in the conspiracy to malign them, but would rather go ahead and malign themselves with stupidity. I still am laughing at what has been achieved by the ban.
10) Both issue certificates.

Your spirited defence of such people shows,you belong to that category.

Yay!! I got the certificate!!

#ThappaNationalist ne certificate de diya mujhe
Time to party!!

Btw I did not defend anyone. I said I would leave it to the guy to explain himself. His occupation matches the subject on his quote.

 

[doppelganger]

This thread seems to have some definite potential.

But first, lunch.

 

[Bang Galore]

I said there are enough indications. See Praveen Swami's investigation and the DIG Coast Guards comments.

Not enough indications to be clear about it, one way or the other. Praveen Swami does not say much definitively, merely assuming that to be the case based on certain sources not suggesting that any such information was passed on to the navy as should have been done normally. The fact that the suspected vessel was kept under both aerial & ship based surveillance does give one pause as does the fact that Pakistani government completely denied any existence of any such vessel. Seems odd for some smuggler who would most likely have gone missing.

The DIG coast guards comments only casts light about how the fire was caused aboard the suspect vessel, not about the veracity of the intelligence assessment offered. Funnily very few have actually looked at the officers use of words clearly. He suggests that his "orders" were to essentially to prevent the "crew" of the suspect boat from enjoying biryani, a clear reference to Kasab You could argue that it did suggest that he thought it was a terrorist plot & not a harmless smuggling issue. Not clear either way.

Difficult to simply dismiss the statement of the DM as being false (of any DM, this one more so). Without sufficient & clear evidence to the contrary.

 

[rubyjackass]

Not enough indications to be clear about it, one way or the other. Praveen Swami does not say much definitively, merely assuming that to be the case based on certain sources not suggesting that any such information was passed on to the navy as should have been done normally. The fact that the suspected vessel was kept under both aerial & ship based surveillance does give one pause as does the fact that Pakistani government completely denied any existence of any such vessel. Seems odd for some smuggler who would most likely have gone missing.

The DIG coast guards comments only casts light about how the fire was caused aboard the suspect vessel, not about the veracity of the intelligence assessment offered. Funnily very few have actually looked at the officers use of words clearly. He suggests that his "orders" were to essentially to prevent the "crew" of the suspect boat from enjoying biryani, a clear reference to Kasab You could argue that it did suggest that he thought it was a terrorist plot & not a harmless smuggling issue. Not clear either way.

Difficult to simply dismiss the statement of the DM as being false (of any DM, this one more so). Without sufficient & clear evidence to the contrary.

Here is what Swami concludes:
1) Fire probably not from explosives, pattern not consistent with an explosion.
2) Boat can't be as fast as Coast Guard claims.
3) Routine smuggling in the area happens.
4) Navy got the same intelligence from NTRO as Coast Guard, but they did not bother to respond as it was not a security threat.
5) NTRO report did not say it was a terrorist threat.
6) Ministry of Defence said that “as per the intelligence inputs received on 31st December, a fishing boat from Keti Bunder near Karachi was planning some illicit transaction in Arabian Sea”.
7) The intelligence was not shared with police or IB.
There are other inputs he factors in.

The CG DIG was simply gloating. That we had blown up the Pakistanis. His emphasis seemed to be on 'his' orders. Well he was quite whimsical, you can look at the faces of his audience. They were like 'Ok we heard you'.

Nothing is clear, but as I said there are enough indications.

DM will only believe what he is told by his officers. Why was the DIG fired later?

 

[doppelganger]

Daal khichdi and kaali masoor.

I am in a feral mood.

 

[Bang Galore]

Here is what Swami concludes:
1) Fire probably not from explosives, pattern not consistent with an explosion.
2) Boat can't be as fast as Coast Guard claims.
3) Routine smuggling in the area happens.
4) Navy got the same intelligence from NTRO as Coast Guard, but they did not bother to respond as it was not a security threat.
5) NTRO report did not say it was a terrorist threat.
6) Ministry of Defence said that “as per the intelligence inputs received on 31st December, a fishing boat from Keti Bunder near Karachi was planning some illicit transaction in Arabian Sea”.
7) The intelligence was not shared with police or IB.
There are other inputs he factors in.

Still not conclusive rebuttal. Valid reasoning but by no means, conclusive. Still unable to explain why aerial surveillance was deemed necessary and why the boat was taken down (if that was the case), unless backed by sound reasoning. Permission for that would have to come from slightly higher positions than the DIG. Most importantly, the Pakistanis were quick to dismiss any boat leaving the area on the day in question & they did say categorically that no boat was missing nor has any missing complaint surfaced even now. The manner in which a particular operation is run cannot be negated by suggesting that it wasn't done as per earlier patterns (inform navy, police etc). That can best be used to raise questions but is not definitive. Intelligence operations can be run outside of the grid too. Not many heard about the sharpshooter (who "disappeared") that Dawood Ibrahim sent to eliminate Kasab or the terrorist threat that was neutralised before the commonwealth games, both in a different administration.

The CG DIG was simply gloating. That we had blown up the Pakistanis. His emphasis seemed to be on 'his' orders. Well he was quite whimsical, you can look at the faces of his audience. They were like 'Ok we heard you'.

I agree which is why nothing he said can be taken as the gospel truth.

Nothing is clear, but as I said there are enough indications.

Just questions in my opinion.

DM will only believe what he is told by his officers. Why was the DIG fired later?

Once the DM was involved he made repeated statements & refused to change his position at any time. While one can have political preferences, I would certainly need more evidence to make the charge that the DM was involved in lying. The man does have a reputation to protect. The DIG was fired either for completely fabricating a story or for shooting his mouth off. Do remember that if fired (not sure that he has been removed from the CG), he has no reason to continue to protect the government's position but we are yet to hear more from him.

 

[rubyjackass]

Still not conclusive rebuttal. Valid reasoning but by no means, conclusive. Still unable to explain why aerial surveillance was deemed necessary and why the boat was taken down (if that was the case), unless backed by sound reasoning. Permission for that would have to come from slightly higher positions than the DIG. Most importantly, the Pakistanis were quick to dismiss any boat leaving the area on the day in question & they did say categorically that no boat was missing nor has any missing complaint surfaced even now. The manner in which a particular operation is run cannot be negated by suggesting that it wasn't done as per earlier patterns (inform navy, police etc). That can best be used to raise questions but is not definitive. Intelligence operations can be run outside of the grid too. Not many heard about the sharpshooter (who "disappeared") that Dawood Ibrahim sent to eliminate Kasab or the terrorist threat that was neutralised before the commonwealth games, both in a different administration.

The main allegation was that Coast Guard did not follow SOPs. That seems to be concluded by now as the boat is known to be blown up, thanks to the DIG.

Once the DM was involved he made repeated statements & refused to change his position at any time. While one can have political preferences, I would certainly need more evidence to make the charge that the DM was involved in lying. The man does have a reputation to protect. The DIG was fired either for completely fabricating a story or for shooting his mouth off. Do remember that if fired (not sure that he has been removed from the CG), he has no reason to continue to protect the government's position but we are yet to hear more from him.

DM did not make any statement after sacking the DIG. If you remember the sequence of events it goes like this.

DM makes announcement. Praveen Swami questions the story. IE says Loshali made claims of blowing up the boat instead of saying the occupants set it on fire as DM announced earlier. Loshali and his superior claim he never made such comments. IE releases video of Loshali leading to his sacking.

In India, sacking does not mean an employee loses pension/pay. That rarely happens. And losing pension/risking court martial is a serious incentive to keep quiet. Anyway what does he achieve by talking now.

You cannot say the DM was lying. He was giving the statement in good faith. In any case, BJP has this warped sense of nationalism which says you never admit a mistake, because it will hurt India.

If we know why he was fired, it will solve the puzzle.

 

[wolfschanzze]

Sure buddy. You seem to be a doctor. DO some diagnosis for yourself.


Stupidity at its heights. In today's world, where journalism is heavily syndicated, journalists need not be present in the country to do research. They do report on anything they wish with research based on content generated by someone else.

Now what? You want to ban BBC? I would rather have the ban on BBC than a ban on the film in India.


His profile says so. A sociologist is probably better placed to make the statement he made than a psychologist.

Ohk. So you do agree that they have good intentions. I will show you how you are closer to ISIS than say Praveen Swami, since you mentioned his name.

1) ISIS claim to represent Islam and you claim to represent India.
2) You are a nationalist takfiri.
3) ISIS has a single layer of logic, same as you. Desh ka gun gao, good, nationalist. Point/question something bad in society even with an intention to better it, bad guy, treason, Kafir, anti-India. Do not bother with what is the cost and benefit. Till now you could not decide why there should be ban on the documentary - showing India in bad light or for violating 'conditions'. You don't even realize the ban defeats your very purpose.

4) They follow single book. You follow the one dimensional demented logic.
5) Both expect unquestioned submission to authority. You know which religion is named after that submission.
6) Both do not tolerate criticism of the people who merely operate on the authority.
7) Both aim for some perfect all-powerful state while they don't give a hoot about what happens to real people inside that very state. People should shut the f up rather than malign their country's image.
8) Both believe there is conspiracy against their constituents and that others are idiots to ignore these conspiracies.
9) Both believe in the conspiracy to malign them, but would rather go ahead and malign themselves with stupidity. I still am laughing at what has been achieved by the ban.
10) Both issue certificates.



Yay!! I got the certificate!!

#ThappaNationalist ne certificate de diya mujhe
Time to party!!

Btw I did not defend anyone. I said I would leave it to the guy to explain himself. His occupation matches the subject on his quote.

I Diagnose people,You seem to suffer from PMS,the whining and moaning tells me you have hormonal changes.I would recommend AFZOT 20 mg for your case.

1)Unhindered criticism and one sided narrative is done by Western nations against other non-western nations, it is well know in the case of RUSSIA,Iran,China and recently India has joined the group.
Any foreign journalist can spout nonsense in their own country it doesn't matter to us,since when their intended target is the Indian audience and them trying to influence India's internal and foreign affairs using Journalism and their concern for India.
The countries i mentioned banned foreign journalists for a reason,their hearts are not overflowing with love for India.Everyone knows that.

2)Sociology,whatever it is.. doesn't concern us when a retard makes comments on how India should not win World cup since Nationalism will be strengthened.he will be shown his place.

3)Your love and Defence for Praveen Swami is very well noted.ISIS is doing what Islam taught them to do.

4)Yeah yeah, You are the ones who will sell his nation for a dime.

5)Are you that naive the Ban stopped The documentary from being aired in Bharat, the sole aim of the film maker was to air that film in Bharat.,since her Target audience were the people of Bharat.The very purpose was defeated when Ban was imposed and this film will continue to lose steam outside India and soon will be forgotten,that is why she was so desperately whining that Bharat should not Ban this film.While if it was shown in Bharat there would have been endless debates by foreign experts and useless maligning of " Bharatiya Culture as inherently Rapist culture".

6)Criticism is welcome, but Criticism by Pakistanis in disguise of Bharatiyas is not welcome.Especially,we know what the JNU and Marxist coterie rants are we been hearing them since 68 years, any development in Economy or Patriotism or Hindu Unity is abhorred by Such Intellectuals.According to them "Hindus should always be divided while the Minority should be united and continously malign Hindus and denigrate them".No thanks we don't want that.

7)Libtards follow a single logic, MORONISM and Traitoritis.

8)In matters of National security and Patriotism, yes that is what is expected,Unquestioned loyalty towards ones country.

9)No need to tolerate Bullshite being spouted as concern for Bharat.There is a limit to tolerating Bullshite.

10)Who are the real people inside the state? Tell me?

11)There is definitely a Conspiracy and propaganda against Non-Western countries from West, only Idiots can deny that.

12)Laugh all you want, you are talking for the Foreign film maker instead of Bharat, that shows the deep impact of their propaganda on minds of such people.We helped stave off that Propaganda piece by banning it and not exposing our audience to such blatant lies and hate for ones culture.Do you know about Pavlovian Model of brain Conditioning? you seem to be a classic textbook case.

#AdarshLiberal You behave exactly like the what the OP ED described, Modi Haters Turning into India Haters.
You proved his point.You are still defending Praveen Swami who is known to write against Indian Army and Bharat in Pakistani News papers and is always presenting Pakistani version as gospel truth in India.He is the Pakistani mole in India.
Your defence of such people and opinions tells me what the OP ED described Modi Haters turning into India Haters.