Why anti-Americanism continues to thrive in Pakistan

[Menace2Society]

Low IQ opinion, extreme oversimplifcation and taking the blame away from the morally bakrupt society Pakistan is. (corruption at every level, nepotism where the most unqualified people are suddenly in positions of power, horrible policies, unemployment rates, literacy rates, etc.)

Secularism is not the fix to your problems, in fact this is such an utterly misinformed opinion because you clearly don't understand the foundation of Pakistan and why this would lead to MORE problems.

Also your suggestion is not democratic by nature because the vast majority would not agree.

Secularism will cure the society at grass roots and give them an opportunity to experience a more balanced life where work and family take equal importance just like in middle to upper class families. For Pakistan to rise up, the lower class needs to elevate so this shift will give them guidance they need.

Based secularism is the way forward. It's what Jinnah envisioned. No one is advocating for full blown atheism, extreme feminism and rejection of cultural norms.

 

[Rusty2]

Secularism will cure the society at grass roots and give them an opportunity to experience a more balanced life where work and family take equal importance just like in more middle to upper class families. For Pakistan to rise up, the lower class needs to elevate so this shift will give them guidance they need.

Based secularism is the way forward. No one is advocating for full blown atheism, extreme feminism and rejection of cultural norms.

This is the thing. These people talk about IQ, but they don't have the IQ to understand that secularism is good FOR EVERYONE, including them. Legit, I have met very conservative Muslims at the masjids here who are like "Thank God we live in Canada where we can practice true Islam and not in Pakistan where Islam is so twisted by the state and culture"

 

[PakFactor]

Low IQ opinion, extreme oversimplifcation and taking the blame away from the morally bakrupt society Pakistan is. (corruption at every level, nepotism where the most unqualified people are suddenly in positions of power, horrible policies, unemployment rates, literacy rates, etc.)

Secularism is not the fix to your problems, in fact this is such an utterly misinformed opinion because you clearly don't understand the foundation of Pakistan and why this would lead to MORE problems.

Also your suggestion is not democratic by nature because the vast majority would not agree.

@Rusty2 is not wrong in his assessment. The Mullah brigade has an outsized influence in manipulating people and playing on their sensitivities to derail any progress. When Imran Khan started his take over he established a team of approximately 21 economists from top schools and the business world. Well, one of them ended up being an Ahmadiyya follower, and all hell broke loose. The Ministry of Religion and others forced IK to kick him out. Once this happened, the other individuals resigned as they didn't follow this sort of jahiliyyah logic. That Ahmadiyaa was one of the youngest individuals in the world to get a Ph.D. in Economics from Yale before the age of 35 and hold a chair in the school of business (this is a massive deal with you having a chair in academia; because you bring in money through consulting work, R&D, etc.).

These same Mullahs destroyed trees planted in various areas of Pakistan, which would better the environment of Pakistan. In all this, they brainwash little kids and use them as foot soldiers.

Do not forget what Dr. Israr said, "scholars during our time would be the worst of the worst walking this earth." He used strong words to describe them almost as fitna on this earth.

 

[Al_Muhannad]

Remember when Mullahs cured.... or that time Mullahs invented.... or how about that time Mullahs discovered..... hmmm....well, at least mullahs are great at indoctrinating kids so they go blow up mosques and schools.

You don't have any idea about development of sciences, do you? here is a small challenge for you. Find out who invented the algorithms, and most importantly find out what he was doing.

while your advocation of a theocracy means more Muslims will die.

I do not give a **** about theoracy. Islam is not what mullahs says. the are the defensive mechanisms that a enslaved society produced when its intellectual elite was put down.

secularism IS the reason the west has an economy

No, secularism is not the reason west have a strong economy. the reason for that is a entirely different subject. They came to Mughals for spices when events of Andulus had happened and Turks cut off their land based trade routes with us.

 

[PakFactor]

You don't have any idea about development of sciences, do you? here is a small challenge for you. Find out who invented the algorithms, and most importantly find out what he was doing.


I do not give a **** about theoracy. Islam is not what mullahs says. the are the defensive mechanisms that a enslaved society produced when its intellectual elite was put down.


No secularism is not the reason west have a strong economy. the reason for that is a entirely different subject. They came to Mughals for spices when events of Andulus had happened and Turks cut off their land based trade routes with us.

Those people of old were polymath their knowledge spanned various subject matters. They were not one-track-minded as what we have currently. The problem our society has is we have a ratta system; what the teacher says, you can't answer back or question them, limiting the mind of the child from the get-go.

Secularism doesn't stop religion from being practiced, but it separates the two and establishes boundaries that shouldn't be crossed. So the issue we had was we eliminated that boundary and allowed unchecked influence in all quarters of the country from those who do not understand how nation-states and international affairs work.

 

[Al_Muhannad]

Those people of old were polymath their knowledge spanned various subject matters. They were not one-track-minded as what we have currently.

exactly. in other words elites that were organic to the people. not some bastards of zeus and athena

 

[Rusty2]

You don't have any idea about development of sciences, do you? here is a small challenge for you. Find out who invented the algorithms, and most importantly find out what he was doing.


I do not give a **** about theoracy. Islam is not what mullahs says. the are the defensive mechanisms that a enslaved society produced when its intellectual elite was put down.

Oh trust me, I know more about history than you do. Which is why I say the things I say.
All those people you mentioned, the ones who invited all those things, would have been lynched by our mullah mobs if they were alive today.
The Golden age of Islam was only golden because "Conservative Islam" didn't exist. Muslims were so free that they were having active and lively debates about even if Allah existed. They went out into the world and sought ALL knowledge. NO ONE called them "Western boot lickers" when they were translating Greek text. No one shamed them for reading the Karma Sutra, no one mullah lynched them for proposing new ideas or thoughts.
Then
The poison of conservative Islam took hold. Knowledge and ideas were now taboo and this weird obsession with not being a "western bootlicker" took hold. and now... well we are sh!tting in holes in the ground while the rest of the world is going to the moon and beyond.

If you are honestly interested, read up on the Islamic golden age. While you read, notice how much freedom these people had. Notice how there was no "lol western boot licker" syndrome. Compare that to today and what would happen if these people were around today.

 

[Erieye]

Claims "Low IQ" Opinion, proceeds give no counter argument outside of "because I said so"
Lol, okay.
This is what passes for "High IQ" for the mullah gang here.
Instead of measuring IQ, why not give counter evidence.
Oh right, discourse in good faith is not your people's nature.
if it was, Mosques and schools would not be blown up all the time.

It is such a stupid suggestion I really don't see the reason to point out why it's a low IQ opinion,

I am not an Islamist, I am not religious, I don't care for most of that stuff so calling me a mullah proves nothing you degenerate.

Why was Pakistan created? Can you tell us what the basis of the two nation theory was which your founder proposed?

Can you tell me what type of set-up Pakistan is? Can you tell me about it's demographics? Let me post a map for you to give you a hint.

Secondly it's funny you talk about mullahs and economy, when everyone in Pakistan is a corrupt bastard trying to use hook or crook to launder as much funds as possible into their banks, trust me there is no less love for making money in this country, not at the societal level nor at the national level of corrupts.

Pakistan faces extremism yes, religious extremism is rife - but the economy and the failed state you see today is due to incompetence at a national level and too much hand outs. Not focusing on making the population productive enough, unemployment, hand-outs, etc.

Secularism is the LAST thing that will somehow make you a rich country

@Rusty2 is not wrong in his assessment. The Mullah brigade has an outsized influence in manipulating people and playing on their sensitivities to derail any progress. When Imran Khan started his take over he established a team of approximately 21 economists from top schools and the business world. Well, one of them ended up being an Ahmadiyya follower, and all hell broke loose. The Ministry of Religion and others forced IK to kick him out. Once this happened, the other individuals resigned as they didn't follow this sort of jahiliyyah logic. That Ahmadiyaa was one of the youngest individuals in the world to get a Ph.D. in Economics from Yale before the age of 35 and hold a chair in the school of business (this is a massive deal with you having a chair in academia; because you bring in money through consulting work, R&D, etc.).

These same Mullahs destroyed trees planted in various areas of Pakistan, which would better the environment of Pakistan. In all this, they brainwash little kids and use them as foot soldiers.

Do not forget what Dr. Israr said, "scholars during our time would be the worst of the worst walking this earth." He used strong words to describe them almost as fitna on this earth.

Bro I hate Mullahs as well, I have not once defended these mullahs, he is confusing me of being a mullah lover simply because I stated he is an idiot for suggesting secularism will fix Pakistan's economy problem. I hate religious extremism just as much.

Firstly Pakistan is not even an Islamic state to begin with, there is no Sharia Law, the laws are largely derived from the British, in practice it is largely secular with some Islamic touch to it.

Pakistan is a confdereation of four major sub-nations - Sindh, Punjab, KP, Balcohistan + GB + Kashmir. It was decided on the basis of a "Muslim homeland" which separated it ideologically from India. Any full secularism mode any further than our current political system will guarenteed increase separatist insurgencies to the max, for what reason should so many nations remain together when it was promised as some muslim confederation?

They will advocate for independence to emphasise their own identity and control of their own lad - and the very idea of Pakistan no longer makes sense, should have joined secular India from the getgo.

 

[Rusty2]

No secularism is not the reason west have a strong economy. the reason for that is a entirely different subject. They came to Mughals for spices when events of Andulus had happened and Turks cut off their land based trade routes with us.

Yes they did, and they were crazy Christens who forced people to convert or die.
but then something happened. They realized that they would be more prosperous learning from others, building their economies and doing useful things then if they just went around murdering each other over religion.
And... well they were not wrong.

 

[Rusty2]

It is such a stupid suggestion I really don't see the reason to point out why it's a low IQ opinion,

I am not an Islamist, I am not religious, I don't care for most of that stuff so calling me a mullah proves nothing you degenerate.

Why was Pakistan created? Can you tell us what the basis of the two nation theory was which your founder proposed?

Can you tell me what type of set-up Pakistan is? Can you tell me about it's demographics? Let me post a map for you to give you a hint.

Secondly it's funny you talk about mullahs and economy, when everyone in Pakistan is a corrupt bastard trying to use hook or crook to launder as much funds as possible into their banks, trust me there is no less love for making money in this country, not at the societal level nor at the national level of corrupts.

Pakistan faces extremism yes, religious extremism is rife - but the economy and the failed state you see today is due to incompetence at a national level and too much hand outs. Not focusing on making the population productive enough, unemployment, hand-outs, etc.

Secularism is the LAST thing that will somehow make you a rich country


Bro I hate Mullahs as well, I have not once defended these mullahs, he is confusing me of being a mullah lover simply because I stated he is an idiot for suggesting secularism will fix Pakistan's economy problem. I hate religious extremism just as much.

Firstly Pakistan is not even an Islamic state to begin with, there is no Sharia Law, the laws are largely derived from the British, in practice it is largely secular with some Islamic touch to it.

Pakistan is a confdereation of four major sub-nations - Sindh, Punjab, KP, Balcohistan + GB + Kashmir. It was decided on the basis of a "Muslim homeland" which separated it ideologically from India. Any full secularism mode any further than our current political system will guarenteed increase separatist insurgencies to the max, for what reason should so many nations remain together when it was promised as some muslim confederation?

They will advocate for independence to emphasise their own identity and control of their own lad - and the very idea of Pakistan no longer makes sense, should have joined secular India from the getgo.

So you can't refute it but are so butthurt that you need to comment on it. Got it.
Very typical of mullah types here. No argument, just hurt feelings.
As for Pakistan... oh boy... this is going to be soooooo embarrassing for you.

Our founding father literally created us to be a secular society. We failed him.
Yes Pakistan has corruption, but are we the only country on earth who has corruption?
The US has corruption, Europe has corruption, Japan, South Korea, China, etc have corruption. Why are they still able to develop while we can't?

You clearly have no idea what secularism is. You think it's like some kind of magic bean that will make you rich or something.
Bro, all secularism says is that we should stop mullah lynching people and bombing mosques and instead focus on running a society.
Stop wasting your time policing who is Muslim and who isn't.
Use that time for useful things.

 

[TheSolution]

No secularism is not the reason west have a strong economy. the reason for that is a entirely different subject. They came to Mughals for spices when events of Andulus had happened and Turks cut off their land based trade routes with us.

This guy thinks our economy is failing because we don't have secularism

If that isn't an inferiority complex then what it is?

Actually he's right, we had the most competent leadership, the most effective economic policies, employment readily available, tons of natural resources like oils, minerals and gas.

Ishaq Dar is a total magician he had nothing to do with it, our great national leaders like Nawaz Sharif, Shahbaz Sharif, and Zardari had nothing to do with it either.

But secularism was missing, that's the real reason why we are failing

@Rusty2 You are spitting facts bro

 

[Al_Muhannad]

Oh trust me, I know more about history than you do. Which is why I say the things I say.
All those people you mentioned, the ones who invited all those things, would have been lynched by our mullah mobs if they were alive today.
The Golden age of Islam was only golden because "Conservative Islam" didn't exist. Muslims were so free that they were having active and lively debates about even if Allah existed. They went out into the world and sought ALL knowledge. NO ONE called them "Western boot lickers" when they were translating Greek text. No one shamed them for reading the Karma Sutra, no one mullah lynched them for proposing new ideas or thoughts.
Then
The poison of conservative Islam took hold. Knowledge and ideas were now taboo and this weird obsession with not being a "western bootlicker" took hold. and now... well we are sh!tting in holes in the ground while the rest of the world is going to the moon and beyond.

If you are honestly interested, read up on the Islamic golden age. While you read, notice how much freedom these people had. Notice how there was no "lol western boot licker" syndrome. Compare that to today and what would happen if these people were around today.

Now you are juggling. First there is no conservative Islam that would mean the boundary can be dented to adapt every degeneracy.

here is the second history assignment for you. go study about mutazilites.

 

[Rusty2]

This guy thinks our economy is failing because we don't have secularism

If that isn't an inferiority complex then what it is?

Actually he's right, we had the most competent leadership, the most effective economic policies, employment readily available, tons of natural resources like oils, minerals and gas.

Ishaq Dar is a total magician he had nothing to do with it, our great national leaders like Nawaz Sharif, Shahbaz Sharif, and Zardari had nothing to do with it either.

But secularism was missing, that's the real reason why we are failing

@Rusty2 You are spitting facts bro

Lives in the secular west while shitting on it.
Is holy warrior of Islam but then uses racial slurs, harasses women and is a bit of a d!ck.
Are these Islamic values?
Hmm... if only the Quran had verses for people like him....

Anyways, engage with evidence and facts or don't engage at all. It gets boring when you people only throw abuse since you feefees get hurt.

 

[Al_Muhannad]

Lives in the secular west while shitting on it.

I do not shit one the west. They do what they think are necessary for their survival. The issue is when brown man start aping the white man without having a thought about it.

Is holy warrior of Islam but then uses racial slurs, harasses women and is a bit of a d!ck.
Are these Islamic values?
Hmm... if only the Quran had verses for people like him....

Anyways, engage with evidence and facts or don't engage at all. It gets boring when you people only throw abuse since you feefees get hurt.

No idea what to make of these words. Take care mate.

 

[TheSolution]

Lives in the secular west while shitting on it.
Is holy warrior of Islam but then uses racial slurs, harasses women and is a bit of a d!ck.
Are these Islamic values?
Hmm... if only the Quran had verses for people like him....

Anyways, engage with evidence and facts or don't engage at all. It gets boring when you people only throw abuse since you feefees get hurt.

You are obsessed not once have I claimed to be a holy warrior or took any Islamic highground

It's your faulty logic where you think if someone disagrees with you they are some mullah but instead you're just an idiot lmao