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Why Abhinandan surrendered to villagers soo quick?

Still wondering what was the compelling reason that Pakistan released him within 48 hour of his captivity....!!!
To win the optics. There was no point in holding him, previously captured IAF pilots had been returned rather quickly as well. The world saw a mature democracy handling a war like an adult. India on the other hand looked like a frightened child, headless and in panic, threatening nuclear war at the first instance of war! Then came the famous 'Oh Rafale, Oh rafale where art thou Rafale' speach, followed by the infamous 'we have not built nukes for diwali'. This had to be back tracked rapidly. Headless and toothless, Bip- Bip- Bipin is still shitting himself.
 
Imran is a nice person for sure...Pakistan is not ready for any escalation of war...It is with Pakistan intrest to avoid war but not in India’s intrest...Rather i was expecting Pakistan will the oppertunity of IAF crossing LOC as a reason of escalating a war than diffusing it...

Again..we are not debating here if IK is good or bad..I am an admirer of IK since long...His reaction to this event shows his personality unlike other Pakistan leaders..But in this entire episode, India lost the stem after Abhinandan captured by Pakistan...but Pakistan failed to captilize on it by releasing or announcing to release in 48 hour...

LOL whatever lets you sleep at night
Last I heard Pakistan was doing everything bad to India and Modi got elected first time only to teach lesson to Pakistan...this was the lesson?
 
Still wondering what was the compelling reason that Pakistan released him within 48 hour of his captivity....!!!

The same reason that India chose NOT to escalate after we gave them a thrashing of their lives and paraded thei pilot for the world to see.

So, I will be waiting for your reply on why India chose not to escalate when they had every reason to.
 
Though making rational posts is pretty much a waste here, here goes nothing.

On 27th Feb, 2019, atleast two pilots ejected into Azad Kashmir. one was Wg Cdr Abhinandan from a Mig 21 Bison. There was video recorded by someone in pakistan that showed TWO separate parachutes come down. One was Wg. Cdr. Abhinandan, The second (aka Doosra Banda) has been talked about by people in Azad Kashmir but we have not seen him so far.

This is the analysis of the second pilot (pakistani) a.k.a Doosra Banda spoken by the PM IK in parliament and also by the PAF.

D5j3YGhW0AAszvL.jpg


A video posted in you tube shows a pilot ejecting in a location far from Abhinandans know location. We reconstructed the landscape of the video and geo located it. It shows a puff of smoke, a parachute and a debris falling and the direction is in general line of Khuiratta - Chowk Sahiban in Azad Kashmir. This is very far from Abhinandans known location shown as Parachute 2 in this image. This proves that a second pilot (Doosra Banda) indeed ejected in Azad Kashmir on Feb 27th.

A general map of the area is shown here.

D5j5L5sX4AcpxLy.jpg



Here are the two videos,

1) Video 1 : PAF Fighter :


2) Video 2: IAF Fighter


It is interesting to note that the spot marked in the Indian Army sightings of a parachute in general area Subzkot is not far from the red line drawn which shows the direction of parachute from this video (video 1)

D5m__yGWkAAbPo7.jpg


The Google Earth view of this area will show some distinctive features shown in this panorama of the place.. You will notice Hills1,2,3,4. You will also notice the slope of the land going from right to left. Additionally a distinctive channel is visible on the left which is seen

D5nCu9sW0AES2fa.jpg


Take Hill 1 for example in above tweet. As seen here it changes color with the season. If one were to see it in Feb time frame then the features (and marks) become very visible. It has a distinctive shape with a cut on top and the features do match as shown by the lines

D5nM19pW0AEwcH1.jpg


A key aspect is how the puff/chute/debris sequence looks like for Doosra Banda compared to Abhi from this location. Given the mig direction and as seen in other vids, for Abhi the sequence is on left. But for Doosra banda it was the opposite indicating a diff direction.

D5nbhPYXoAE4Ouh.png



The second interesting feature is the channel to the left... pretty distinctive on GE as well as in the panorama of the location

D5peY1BWAAIbolp.jpg


The next distinct feature is the slope of the land.. in the panorama it is sloping downwards from right to left as shown here... and in GE also a similar slope was visible.. for reference i have included Hill1 in the images so you can orient yourself to the layout

D5r30B2XkAEjiAY.jpg


Lets look at distances involved. The puff, parachute and debris in video 1 (PAF Jet) would be 17KM to 13KM away from the puff, parachute and debris in video 2 (Mig). depending on the location. These are two distinct ejections at distance & any chutes deployed would not intermix


D5ux7JXXoAAlGXK.png


The PAF parachute video (video 1) was filmed from this building complex... in the video, the building has a tower on left and on GE one can make out the shadow... the surrounding buildings seem to match.. there is a courtyard on the right which is also seen in GE. (Google Earth).

from the audio of the video, it sounds like the building is some school or some institution... the person says "baith jayiye baith jayiye"... and this building on GE does not resemble a normal house and more a school or something...so things match.


Its pretty clear that PAF aircraft was shot down.


But those in denial will continue to be in denial.
 
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Though making rational posts is pretty much a waste here, here goes nothing.

On 27th Feb, 2019, atleast two pilots ejected into Azad Kashmir. one was Wg Cdr Abhinandan from a Mig 21 Bison. There was video recorded by someone in pakistan that showed TWO separate parachutes come down. One was Wg. Cdr. Abhinandan, The second (aka Doosra Banda) has been talked about by people in Azad Kashmir but we have not seen him so far.

This is the analysis of the second pilot (pakistani) a.k.a Doosra Banda spoken by the PM IK in parliament and also by the PAF.

D5j3YGhW0AAszvL.jpg


A video posted in you tube shows a pilot ejecting in a location far from Abhinandans know location. We reconstructed the landscape of the video and geo located it. It shows a puff of smoke, a parachute and a debris falling and the direction is in general line of Khuiratta - Chowk Sahiban in Azad Kashmir. This is very far from Abhinandans known location shown as Parachute 2 in this image. This proves that a second pilot (Doosra Banda) indeed ejected in Azad Kashmir on Feb 27th.

A general map of the area is shown here.

D5j5L5sX4AcpxLy.jpg



Here are the two videos,

1) Video 1 : PAF Fighter :


2) Video 2: IAF Fighter


It is interesting to note that the spot marked in the Indian Army sightings of a parachute in general area Subzkot is not far from the red line drawn which shows the direction of parachute from this video (video 1)

D5m__yGWkAAbPo7.jpg


The Google Earth view of this area will show some distinctive features shown in this panorama of the place.. You will notice Hills1,2,3,4. You will also notice the slope of the land going from right to left. Additionally a distinctive channel is visible on the left which is seen

D5nCu9sW0AES2fa.jpg


Take Hill 1 for example in above tweet. As seen here it changes color with the season. If one were to see it in Feb time frame then the features (and marks) become very visible. It has a distinctive shape with a cut on top and the features do match as shown by the lines

D5nM19pW0AEwcH1.jpg


A key aspect is how the puff/chute/debris sequence looks like for Doosra Banda compared to Abhi from this location. Given the mig direction and as seen in other vids, for Abhi the sequence is on left. But for Doosra banda it was the opposite indicating a diff direction.

D5nbhPYXoAE4Ouh.png



The second interesting feature is the channel to the left... pretty distinctive on GE as well as in the panorama of the location

D5peY1BWAAIbolp.jpg


The next distinct feature is the slope of the land.. in the panorama it is sloping downwards from right to left as shown here... and in GE also a similar slope was visible.. for reference i have included Hill1 in the images so you can orient yourself to the layout

D5r30B2XkAEjiAY.jpg


Lets look at distances involved. The puff, parachute and debris in video 1 (PAF Jet) would be 17KM to 13KM away from the puff, parachute and debris in video 2 (Mig). depending on the location. These are two distinct ejections at distance & any chutes deployed would not intermix


D5ux7JXXoAAlGXK.png


The PAF parachute video (video 1) was filmed from this building complex... in the video, the building has a tower on left and on GE one can make out the shadow... the surrounding buildings seem to match.. there is a courtyard on the right which is also seen in GE. (Google Earth).

from the audio of the video, it sounds like the building is some school or some institution... the person says "baith jayiye baith jayiye"... and this building on GE does not resemble a normal house and more a school or something...so things match.


Here are a few other videos of the air battle.





Its pretty clear that PAF aircraft was shot down.


But those in denial will continue to be in denial.
Hi troll @Nityam why didn't you give me technical aspect of 27 FEB air battle

please explain this troll @Nityam :rofl::lol:;):enjoy:
HOW ON EARTH 2/2.5 GEN JET CAN SHOT IT DOWN MODERN 4.5TH GEN WITH LIMITED RADAR COVERAGE, (LIMITED DIAMETER RADAR IN MIG-21 NOSE CONE) WHICH CAN'T GUIDE BVR YOUR MIG-21 RADAR HAS RANGE OF 55 TO 75 KM RANGE I KNOW BECAUSE BE HAVE SIMILAR UPGRADES TO OUR F-7PG (CLONED MIG-21 BY CHINA) WHICH HAVE A RANGE OF 55 KM BY ITS RADAR GRIFO-7, WHEREAS OUR F-16 RADAR RANGE OUR F-16 MLU 150 TO 200 KM (APG-63) AND BLOCK-52 HAS RADAR RANGE OF 300 KM (APG-68V9) YOU CLAIM BLOCK 52D AND WE HAVE A BETTER RANGE BVR THAN YOUR R-77 ON YOUR MIG-21,

YOU HAVE NO BRAIN BUT INSTEAD OF BRAIN YOU HAVE A COW DUNG IN YOUR HEAD @Nityam :blah::blah::blah::blah::blah:
 
Here is an article from Former Air Chief Marshal Tipnis writing about this engagement.

D5lF2RPW0AA3ufo.jpg


Hi troll @Nityam why didn't you give me technical aspect of 27 FEB air battle

please explain this troll @Nityam :rofl::lol:;):enjoy:
HOW ON EARTH 2/2.5 GEN JET CAN SHOT IT DOWN MODERN 4.5TH GEN WITH LIMITED RADAR COVERAGE, (LIMITED DIAMETER RADAR IN MIG-21 NOSE CONE) WHICH CAN'T GUIDE BVR YOUR MIG-21 RADAR HAS RANGE OF 55 TO 75 KM RANGE I KNOW BECAUSE BE HAVE SIMILAR UPGRADES TO OUR F-7PG (CLONED MIG-21 BY CHINA) WHICH HAVE A RANGE OF 55 KM BY ITS RADAR GRIFO-7, WHEREAS OUR F-16 RADAR RANGE OUR F-16 MLU 150 TO 200 KM (APG-63) AND BLOCK-52 HAS RADAR RANGE OF 300 KM (APG-68V9) YOU CLAIM BLOCK 52D AND WE HAVE A BETTER RANGE BVR THAN YOUR R-77 ON YOUR MIG-21,

YOU HAVE NO BRAIN BUT INSTEAD OF BRAIN YOU HAVE A COW DUNG IN YOUR HEAD @Nityam :blah::blah::blah::blah::blah:

Because our Mig-21 BIS was CHASING your F16 and shot it down RIGHT IN YOUR TERRITORY.

So unless your F-16 had backward facing radar, it was game over for him.
 
Here is an article from Former Air Chief Marshal Tipnis writing about this engagement.

D5lF2RPW0AA3ufo.jpg




Because our Mig-21 BIS was CHASING your F16 and shot it down RIGHT IN YOUR TERRITORY.

So unless your F-16 had backward facing radar, it was game over for him.
:lol::lol::lol::lol: please not to tell me we have no AMRAAM and Sidewinder on our F-16 and haven't a better radar on our F-16 and AWACS back up, two chute doesn't mean its F-16 pilots, might be your raptor of east MKI pilots, that's fell IOK @Nityam by the way good bedtime stories by you mighty IAF chief @Nityam ;):enjoy:
 
:lol::lol::lol::lol: please not to tell me we have no AMRAAM and Sidewinder on our F-16 and haven't a better radar on our F-16 and AWACS back up, two chute doesn't mean its F-16 pilots, might be your raptor of east MKI pilots, that's fell IOK @Nityam by the way good bedtime stories by you mighty IAF chief @Nityam ;):enjoy:

Do you understand english ?

Mig 21 was CHASING F16 right into pakistan. Your Radar was of no use unless it can face backwards.
 
Do you understand english ?

Mig 21 was CHASING F16 right into pakistan. Your Radar was of no use unless it can face backwards.
And we haven't AWACS and ground radars in the area to tell F-16 that the threats was coming, Mr genius @Nityam :)
 

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